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You must be kidding?
What do you think are your chances to get loan back?)
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Я подозреваю что проблема тут скорее в качестве работы Qiwi,и то что они не очень ценят чужое время и деньги.
Но тем не менее эта самая быстрая платформа по передачи денег+ автоматизированный вывод в БТК,что очень удобно,еще бы и вывод обратно был так же быстр,все было бы супер. Тот факт конечно что за то,что у кого то увели деньги,расплачивается владелец обменника, очень печалит,но таковы реалии нашей страны, может быть сервис просто мешается,так или иначе, желаю удачи и интересует ответ на вопрос от владельцев сервиса,так же как и информация о ситуации в текущий момент(в каком режиме обрабатываются операции и когда все вернется в норму)
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А можно ли надеяться на снижение комиссии в ближайший месяц на вывод в киви?
Это же вроде бы как самый удобный для Вас способ вывода средств,почему нет никаких поощрений операций с данным видом денег?
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Actually GLBSE is the only place where you can hope that they return your funds,and most likely this was Goat`s address, so shouldn't they do that themselves?
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Deposit for IluhaHA.
Deposit Address(Адрес для депозитирования): 1ARnyfNqhSdT91nxWcepFmSxbKenfM3YAT
Pay back address(Адресс для выплат): 1DSmrM9QwtCX1sxxVi6v4ffq69AjAarY3
Continuous Deposit for month 12%/m.
Funds received (Средства получены) 23.05.12 (50BTC)
Next payment(Следующая выплата) on 23.06.12 (6BTC)
Продублирую здесь для русскоговорящих)
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Deposit for IluhaHA. Deposit Address(Адрес для депозитирования): 1ARnyfNqhSdT91nxWcepFmSxbKenfM3YAT Pay back address(Адресс для выплат): 1DSmrM9QwtCX1sxxVi6v4ffq69AjAarY3 Continuous Deposit for month 12%/m. Funds received (Средства получены) 23.05.12 (50 BTC) Transfered to 2.5%/w on 23.05.12 Next payment(Следующая выплата) on 7.06.12 (1.25 BTC) Deposit Join Close 6.07.12 One time Deposit for one week 4%/w. Funds received (Средства получены) 28.05.12 (180 BTC) Payback payment(Следующая выплата) on 6.06.12 (187.2 BTC) PayedContinuous Deposit for month 18%/m. Funds received (Средства получены) 5.06.12 (180 BTC) Deposit Join +50 BTC 6.07.12 Deposit price plan change to 14+%/m 6.07.12 Funds received (Средства получены) 6.08.12 (30 BTC) Payments(Выплата) on 5.08.12 (+30 days) (15%, 34.5 BTC) |
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Hey hey, he might just be selling coins, why not?
Because he pays people their interest in coins. So he must, on net, *acquire* coins. I have tried to imagine how such a system could work where he obtains his investment in coins and also pays out interest in coins. I couldn't do it. If you have an idea, please share. What stops him from buying coins on birges? Daily volume of gox if 62kBTC,how much do you think he needs to buy daily?) |
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Hey hey, he might just be selling coins, why not?
And pls give a link to his post.
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Decided to remove my own interest from parters deposits, so now it`s actually Pirates`rates.
And now there would be withdrawal fee.
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Opening Pirate Pass through partnership program. I pay you Pirate`s Interest - 0.2%. No insurance,payed out every Tuesday. My own deposits basic amount would be 300BTC.Everything else would be filled buy you. So the rates will increase at 500btc and 2000btc. All basic terms are the same with previous deposits.
Oh yes. Depositing day is Sunday. If you miss it, then you will get your interest only in next week. Withdrawal and Interest day is Tuesday.
My current depositors may switch to this plan if desired. If my your funds get withdrawn, then I`ll send it back to you, and I`ll give you a note about capacity full.
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В качестве подспорья - комиссии великоваты. И бремя отмывания денег ложится на биржи. Кстати, они и сейчас волей или не волей моют бабло. И их будут мочить за это вскоре.
Комиссии? Для человека который "платит" по 40% в месяц,имхо потеря 10% но обезличивание средств,это очень хороший вариант,дешевле сложно придумать) По поводу бирж да,это уязвимое место,но тут пожалуй только рост популярности и кол-во этих самых бирж + мест где принимают сам BTC спасет ситуацию. |
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Биткоин не вписывается в модель понци, т.к. эмиссия жестко ограничена. Ну нельзя на нем гонять большие пирамиды. Это на фиате можно, т.к. их печатают без всяких ограничений.
А банки в патовой ситуации. Любое телодвижение в сторону ммм им на вред. Лучший выход - просто наблюдать и молиться чтобы это все не рухнуло.
А кто мешает использовать эти деньги в к-ве подспорья для перевода средств\хранения некоторых резервных сумм? Если не говорить об этом то очень даже удобно и надежно. Расчеты конечно лучше вести в рублях,хотя,учитывая все что есть,можно было уже и свои emoney p2p написать и использовать их,ну или какие нибудь текущие,но они выпускаются,а это минус) Но не вижу никакой проблемы с эмиссией,задирай курс своими же темпами да и все) Просто в начале он должен быть очень маленьким) |
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Well, in my country you can get 8% everywhere, at this terms it would probably be 12%. And if you are bank worker you can get up to 30%. Am I missing smth?
If you put money in a bank, they pay you a very low amount. Obviously if you're lending direct to somebody you can alot charge more. Never heard of bank workers getting 30% interest, it wouldn't surprise me (banks make much more than that off the money in a lot of cases) 8% is reasonable, but what is the Deposit Interest Retention Tax (or equivalent) in your country? I'd probably reduces the rate down to 5% after it. It`s off taxes when it is <=8% of interest. More than that gets 35% tax for income. I`m talking about Russia and rubles. In case of dollars it would be 5% max. |
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Come on guys, how are you getting this rates?
Why should people lend you their money, when they can put it in real bank with better interest?
Or lend much less sum for mush bigger interest?
A real bank only pays 4-5% interest/yr on savings account deposits, and thats not tax free. Well, in my country you can get 8% everywhere, at this terms it would probably be 12%. And if you are bank worker you can get up to 30%. Am I missing smth? |
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Come on guys, how are you getting this rates?
Why should people lend you their money, when they can put it in real bank with better interest?
Or lend much less sum for mush bigger interest?
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))) What is your profit of it? Just not letting me use BTC for this time to increase rates?
In that case people would love to do so,but i still would like to remind you that escrow is not 100% safe, especially in a long terms, because person can get missing,pc corrupt, etc.
We live in real life, there is no 100% sure.
I just wanted you to get it... 100 BTC now is not 100BTC in one year from now... Of course I'm not going to lock 110 BTC just to get 100 BTC...  I do understand that time changes valuably of money,thats why people get interest ) . I just want to point you at 2 facts: 1. You cant provide 100% now in long terms. Delayed transaction would make sense, but it still is not implemented + there would be a chance that quantum computer will ruin all the system. 2. With your system there`s still a chance that depositor can not only loose all his money, but even be in a debt to you. If price will drop from 5 to 2.5 then he would have to pay you 2375 dollars. That is the risk). So thing about your preposition at least to eliminate this risk. |
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I just want you to remind, that in case of DEPOSIT, you dont have to pay a single satoshi more, and you should get your funds + interest.
But in your case, you may not only loose your btc(you will have them less when time come) but even dont have enough btc to payback. That`s the tricky place.
Again, lend me 100 BTC now, deposit it... call it as you want... I promise to pay you back 110 BTC in one year from now... That is another talk, but what makes you better than other? Everyone says that the will pay back 100%, i havent seen a single person who said that I might not return you your money. For other side, MMM\Casino say clearly that you might not get your money back, but the interest is so high that people might not even care. I will lock 110 BTC in escrow for you. ))) What is your profit of it? Just not letting me use BTC for this time to increase rates? In that case people would love to do so,but i still would like to remind you that escrow is not 100% safe, especially in a long terms, because person can get missing,pc corrupt, etc. We live in real life, there is no 100% sure. In case of one sort terms\high rates this is acceptable, but in long term you`ll have to use some certified organization, which is none, all btc storages get btc stolen in a while) |
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I just want you to remind, that in case of DEPOSIT, you dont have to pay a single satoshi more, and you should get your funds + interest.
But in your case, you may not only loose your btc(you will have them less when time come) but even dont have enough btc to payback. That`s the tricky place.
Again, lend me 100 BTC now, deposit it... call it as you want... I promise to pay you back 110 BTC in one year from now... That is another talk, but what makes you better than other? Everyone says that the will pay back 100%, i havent seen a single person who said that I might not return you your money. For other side, MMM\Casino say clearly that you might not get your money back, but the interest is so high that people might not even care. |
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I just want you to remind, that in case of DEPOSIT, you dont have to pay a single satoshi more, and you should get your funds + interest.
But in your case, you may not only loose your btc(you will have them less when time come) but even dont have enough btc to payback. That`s the tricky place.
So at the end it,after all conditions are fulfilled, you wont have more BTC for 100% shure. So what makes you better than others? But others rates are much higher.
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Em, sorry for stupid question, but why would some one lend you btc, when he can lend 15 times less to some one and still get profit?
This is mathematically not reasonable.
Without a thought about btc price going down, government banning btc, etc.
Even some banks can give a higher rate.
High Amount (better rate to begin, volume).....Low risk, low reward. Finance 101. I still dont get why not to deposit to other topic stickers and get at least 4 times more? Or deposit to a pirate a 200btc, and get 280 btc in half a year, instead of lending 2000 and getting 250 a year? I just think that 1% doesn't cover the risk of BTC default(invention of quantum computer) |
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