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Independent trusted counter-parties will develop over time but the whole point of Bitcoin is not to completely centralize. It is counter-productive. We want lots of small independent operators that can work with each other while still remain independent. I hope you realize why Bitcoin is so popular now. People want an alternative, not more of the same.
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This makes no sense.. more like the wandering mind of a limo driver
Why would you bother with all this just to host ASIC miners? Why not open a full fledge datacenter? Unless you are going to have a lot of 'minor miner downtime' while you mine for yourself...
Also.. having a dude crash at the place is not 'security'
I think you would not register this buidling at all as a business and act like it is just your extended basement hobby to anyone asking.. i work in datacenters, you do not know one thing on setting climate control environment
everyone lie with bitcoins
Your entertaining. You "think" and you "assume" are the keys words from a junior stranger that knows very little about me. Sounds like qualified opinion... |
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You going to have the following?
- reedudant internet connections with diverse paths?
- halon fire suppression
- environmental controls
- deisel power generator
all this is supplied when use a server collocation service.
Internet - In my current location I have that and this would be something I agree with. Fire - Looking into this. Environmental Controls - Yes, it is a sealed room with air conditioning. Generator - Have a generator. Also if power was out for an extended period, I have two backup locations under agreement, would only suffer 4-12 hours of downtime |
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When he said the pro-BFL side certainly lost, he was talking about a different bet that someone had linked to. It's not the bet in question (which the pro-BFL side also certainly lost, despite what he says haha).
Thank you, I am getting confused with this thread, even I am human  . I will edit it now. |
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BoB doesn't have agreements that dictate exactly how they will decide events.
Does that really matter when "you" are setting policy for scammer tags on BitCoinTalk.org? In the end, we look to you for guidance on these issues as the referee of our community. When even the people that would have lost the or "technically" could of have won (Luke, Josh and CoinJedi) are making statements that either admit defeat or set a precedent that makes it seem clear who won, doesn't that just not feel right? I am not saying the scam tag is the solution but you should atleast give the "true" side more credit than this. When you have the person who is being used for evidence to decide the bet giving guidance on how we should interpret things, you know you have gone off course. |
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Luke-Jr, it really seems you are taking both sides of the fence. Above on page 6 AND I QUOTE: "This bet is clearly already lost for the pro-BFL side." BUT THEN "If you were on the True side, then you should be happy with the draw, since it was the False side that should have won.". Which one is it? Also, you mention technicalities but then at the same time discount the title like the intent of the wasn't the "shipping" of BFL SC orders to customer(s). Even you, along with Josh and Coinjedi mention Avalon Batch #1 as a quasi-standard for which people are looking to see the ruling on this bet. Is it just me or does something not feel right about how people are acting about this that are agreeing with either a "draw/push" or "false/pro-bfl shipped".
Update: Edited. I guess this was for another bet that I missed, I really am trying to keep both sides evaluated properly.
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At this point I'll go ahead and reveal that I am the bet's creator, and that I initially took a large position on the "True" side. By ruling the way they did, BoB effectively took from me over 150 BTC in potential winnings and commissions that I feel should rightfully be mine. Sure, I made mistakes when I made the bet (which BoB had an opportunity to correct when they approved the bet), but I still feel like "True" is pretty clearly the correct outcome, based on multiple points. Some of those being: • BFL shipped nothing. The bet title clearly is about BFL *shipping* a Bitforce SC product. Coinjedi has said himself that the bet title is a part of the bet. [1] • The pictures were posted after midnight. No matter whether you go by GMT, Eastern time (official BoB time [2]), or Central time (which I believe is BFL time and also Luke-Jr time). Sure, the pics were arguably taken before midnight, but the bet clearly says they had to be *posted* before April. • The pictures were not credible. They were taken by Josh/Inaba, a BFL employee, and were of a device that was pretty clearly sitting on a test bench at BFL. The bet clearly says the pictures must be credible. • The pictures claim to show a product hashing at about 25GH/s, which Luke-Jr says in a Little Single. There was no such thing as a Little Single when the bet was made. The 3 Bitforce SC products the bet concerns, and their hashrates concerning the bet are those listed in the post linked in the Bet. • It is not clear whether or not Luke-jr is a BFL employee. He continues to not answer when asked if he is/has received compensation from BFL. [3] At the least, it looks like he's getting his order bumped to the front of the line. My position appears to be overwhelmingly supported by public opinion on the forums. [4] Opinion Coinjedi solicited I might add. Sure BoB (and Luke-Jr and Josh/Inaba and BFL) will lose face over this, but that does nothing to fill my wallet, and history is quickly forgotten. I'm feeling cheated and a little butthurt about it. Wouldn't you? [1]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.msg1726858#msg1726858[2]: http://betsofbitco.in/help, in "What is the difference between deadline and event date?": "All dates refer to end of day Eastern Time." [3]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.msg1729969#msg1729969[4]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165902.0I think coinjedi should do something. This isn't right. That is literally almost $20,000 USD. |
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Now what happens when this isn't flow but it actually "parks"? Can we detect that?
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I have tons of dummy plugs and I believe one of each of the cables you needs. PM me and lets make a deal.
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If you want to have a tax discussion then please start a topic under "Legal". Thank you.
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Well, I don't have any need for hosting of my non-existent ASICs at the moment, but Dalkore is someone I judge to be trustworthy. I'd be a little worried about on-site security though - the temptation to steal a bunch of ASICs would be pretty high.
On-site security will be provided. You are correct on this point and insurance is another option I am exploring. |
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sounds interesting. If you decide to go ahead with plan. Just let me know..
PM me with your email address. I have some things in the works right now. |
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Interested, what about pricing? BFL provide such service at $25/month for a single SC
No comment. I provide a high value management service for my clients. |
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I think one of the large problems you are going to have is after you file for a business license, they are going to inspect you. The fire department is going to come once a year (and within the first months you are open). They are going to see these things they do not understand and look for the stickers (that they do understand). No stickers are going to exist. Then you will have a problem. Unless, you do it underground like BFL seems to (flying fast and loose with the sales tax laws, the interstate commerce laws and the municipal laws).
No problems here, this is the normal process of setting up hosting & management. |
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Why weren't you saying this about Avalon? They want 75 BTC ($9700+ USD) for their 64GH/s machine and 88 BTC ($11,440) for their 86+GH/s machines.
Avalon have actually shipped products into enduser hands, therein lies the difference. I'm going to hold my tongue till units ship but honestly you guys make no sense. If/When BFL delivers; will you guys own up to the fact that those who paid 75 BTC for a 60gh/s unit were fleeced? Fleeced, lol. Your funny. They will ROI and once that happens it doesn't matter. Funny economics going on around here. |
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WARNING: They have an affiliate program. RED FLAG
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You refused to put then in A/C, they are electronics. And, you had caked on dust. You may want to treat them better and that will help tremendously. BTC.02
My excuse for the dust is that they're waiting to get shipped back to BFL any day now, anyway. They don't get to enjoy the A/C in my office because they're making too much noise. Running an A/C in the spare room just for them would probably cost an extra ~ $100/month, so as long as they'll hash it's not worth it. Well if you not willing to sacrifice some noise in your office or make a quiet box then I don't know what to say? |
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Note: I look at the site and the Mini-rig was in stock and now it is out of stock in about 20 secs. Interesting.
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I find the price increase quite reasonable.
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I imagine that would cool it off, permanently. Probably wouldn't hash so well after that, though.
I cleaned off some of the caked-on dust from the side grills, and it's back down to 64° C for the moment. I'll see if it holds.
I'd take them apart and give them a good cleaning and see if I could improve their performance, but the ASIC shipping has been just around the corner for so long, I thought I'd just be shipping them back soon, anyway.
You refused to put then in A/C, they are electronics. And, you had caked on dust. You may want to treat them better and that will help tremendously. BTC.02 |
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