Well, if you guys moderated in the first place, I wouldn't feel inclined to respond to the trolls.  You'll notice I don't start the trollfest, I just respond to the lies and bullshit.  Eliminate the lies and bullshit and I won't feel compelled to respond.

*EDIT* - I know Theymos wants a hands off approach, but it destroys the community.  As we've seen here.

So you post the image of the hashrate as if it supports your opinion. However, even taking the most conservative number on that chart, 486 TH/s, a BFL single would still earn between .4 and .5 BTC a day.  That's $70 a day, or $2100 per month.  A 1 month 100% ROI at 486 TH network hashrate.  If the network hashrate is anything LESS than 486 TH, your 100% ROI timeframe drops dramatically.

Yes... once again, only in the bitcoin world is a 1 month 100% ROI cause for panic and bitching, heh.

There are a handful of people who placed orders on the tail end of the FPGA process who elected to wait for the ASICs (since they were shipping RSN (TM)) after they had already placed and paid for their order.  Scared is one of them, and we ship by date paid, not order number anyway, so it's kind of immaterial.

I understand it just fine, you don't seem to understand basic math.  Show your work or you're just making crap up.  

There's plenty of projections that show a positive ROI even at 100x difficulty and beyond.  I have yet to see a single credible projection that doesn't show a positive ROI at some point within 2 - 3 years with all the worst case scenarios coming into play at the same time .

I trust Organofcorti's calculations far more than I trust your speculation.
 

They go along nicely with a glass of red wine and SPEACH.  It's like cheese, I think.

Only in the Bitcoin world do people have a fit when they don't have a 3 month 100% ROI.  Meanwhile, everywhere else people are falling over themselves to have a 24 months 100% ROI.

7 @ 3.25

I'm not talking about mining hardware discussion.  Google "Bitcoin mining" ... Bitcointalk is at the bottom of the third page.  Which is also known as "Might as well not be listed" page.  

If someone does manage to find their way here, they quickly leave due to all the drama and trolls.  Most people who still post here are so saturated with this community they don't realize how tiny and insulated it is. Bitcointalk posters encompass less than 10% of the current mining population, on a per person basis.  Why do you think all the hardware vendors basically stay the hell away from here?  Avalon makes a post and then leaves for weeks at a time.  bASIC finally gave up and made their own forums before their implosion. Scams galore in the hardware section.  The lack of any meaningful moderation pretty much chases everyone away and no serious business would participate in Bitcointalk.  I do it on my own time and at my own whim.  I don't speak officially for BFL here and BFL has no desire to participate in the Custom Hardware section unless it's properly moderated and cleaned up, which seems unlikely to happen.

Seriously, it's the same people posting over and over for the vast majority of the posts. Those people already have their camps and no one is going to change their minds, so who cares?  There's so much misinformation and BS posted here, it's impossible to find the signal in all the noise, so it's pointless to try to conduct business here.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to get at.  You make a post about things in language that appears to be a query or future tense while the things you describe have already happened or are past tense.  Would I be upset?  I am upset, so I suppose the technical answer is yes. I've stated this plenty of times.  Again, why is it my job to be your secretary?

Since you want just one post, let me pick one off the top of my head:  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html  ... kind of the main thread of the ASIC updates. Third paragraph.  
Oh, here's another: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/653-we-remain-committed-delivering-best-mining-products-market.html  second sentence even.
Oh look, another one: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-22.html#post11176

That took all of about 5 seconds to find.


I said I have used profanity.  I never have denied that, but I don't use it as a matter of course, like you implied.  The vast majority of my posts are profanity free.


Oh, and what words would those be?

Whoa... I see where the communication breakdown is.  You think Bitcointalk is still relevant to mining hardware.  Heh.  How... quaint.  I see where you get your nick, now.  

Good thing I'm not a PR man then, huh?  Oh... one more thing you don't know.  That brings the list to... lets see... crap, basically everything.

So once again, you boil it down to what every other troll really trolls with.  You basically have nothing else.  "BFL is late."  

Yep, BFL is late.  I've apologized for it numerous times, and again, like Charlie, I am not your personal secretary.  If you're so lazy or incompetent that you can't be bothered to find the myriad of threads where I've apologized for it, that's just too bad, you'll have to suck it up and drive on, little soldier.  

I have hurt no one.  If you've been hurt by bitcoin, in whatever fashion, you seriously need to re-examine your life and reassess your priorities.  Putting yourself in a position where you can be hurt by an experimental currency and bleeding edge technology is not just stupid, it's completely irresponsible and you shouldn't be allowed near a computer, much less money.  On top of that, the timeline for the ASICs was set and announced long, long before I came on board.  As I've said, again in countless places, going forward if I have any say in the situation, BFL will not be announcing timelines beyond "When it's ready."  



I love this, when a troll trots out this old saw.  I rarely put profanity in my posts (It happens on occasion, but not often), but you're so blinded by your rage and butthurt that you envision profanity where there is none.  Does my vocabulary threaten you somehow?  Do you fail to understand the big words I use so you translate them into imaginary profanity, is that how that works?  I've always been curious as to where the source of this particular trope originates, perhaps you can enlighten me.

The general rule of thumb when it comes to starting your own pool: If you have to ask the question, you shouldn't do it.

No, the proper translation is: I'm not feeling like arguing with stupid.  Check back later, maybe my mood will have changed.

Try understanding the basics of what you're posting before you post, you might get a more comprehensive response.  The fact that you have no idea what you're talking about makes it hard to even know where to start.

One uses puppy eyeballs to complete calculations (eyeballs are consumed in the process), the other uses kitten hearts (also consumed in the process).  You can't substitute one for the other.

The only thing absurd in your post is your grasp on common sense.

I don't see how BFL stopped him from buying 23 BTC at any time, can you please post where BFL forbids people from purchasing BTC once they purchase one of our products, which are sold for USD (Not BTC)?

You can't?  Oh, then your argument is fallacious.  Nice try at rationalizing a false premise, though.  Well, actually, no it's not.  It's pretty sophomoric and elementary.

No, he paid in USD, just like everyone else.  Nice try, though.

Dude, don't try to use facts and logic to convince Charie; Charlie is immune to logic and facts just bounce right off him.

I recommend you don't, as that would be a very bad idea, reduce your performance and if you end up burning a chip, it will void your warranty.