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8621  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2021, 11:30:32 PM
                           

nice work
8622  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Where can I buy miners? on: September 29, 2021, 11:27:35 PM
a lot of machines is ?

10 x s19 is 1ph not a lot
100x s19 is 10ph not a lot
1000x s19 is 100 ph not a lot
10000x s19 is 1 eh and while a lot still under 1%

15000x s19 is 1.5 eh and is 1% of the network

it would be 3.4 x 15 = a 51 mega watt plant I am thinking it was not that much.

Link would help.

10,100 mining gears that consumed 1,104 kWh according to "The Development and Reform Commission of Bayannur City in North China's Inner Mongolia", you can read more here

This can't be major if the numbers are right, 10k gears each consumes 1kw? what could it be? maybe an underclocked S9? so 12th per gear? 121ph or maybe 130ph at most? these are indeed a lot of gears for any individual, but is it worth being on the news given the size of the network and how tiny those 121ph seem? I don't think so.

yeah retired gear pulling 1 kwatts each would be s9s. but the math is off. i dont think it was what they write
10,100 x 1 kwatt would be 10,100 kwatts

a drop or two in the bucket 🪣


if only 1 kwatt a machine then it was 1100 machines doing the 1100 kwatts

which is 12100th or 12.1 ph which is really not much.
still would be nice to see

i think i got the math right but maybe not.
8623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: IMPORTANT - need answers to my questions please! on: September 29, 2021, 10:23:25 PM
okay this link is a very detailed link on a 12 card case/ server

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR4vICzqh3M

the guy is not me

i used a clone of the case from minerdude

https://minerdude.com/product/pre-order-minerdude-x12-xtreme-12-gpu-smart-mining-rig-pre-order-delivery-late-aug-early-sept/

so you would want that case with 12 of these gpus

https://www.pny.com/nvidia-rtx-a4000?iscommercial=true

the case would fit all 12 pieces and do about 12 x 58 mh or 680-696 mh at about

1660 watts.

at the moment my best source would charge me 1400 a card or around 16800 plus 1200 for the case.

so if i built one for myself it costs me 18000 usd

now lets go back to the 680 mh number it is about 5.5 cents an mh or $37.40 a day with free power.

that means 500 x 37.40 = 18700 to break even with free power  .

now you can look around and see if you find better card deal and different setups. they exist

but there is no real company out there that will be really able to give you a true deal the simple reason is the cards are still costly.
8624  Other / Meta / Re: New feature suggestion: List all sale threads of members at one place on: September 29, 2021, 10:08:16 PM
bumping them all at once doesn't seem like a good idea anyway.
Why ?

if i bump all my sales in the computer sales section the first three pages we just be me.

granted most are locked but I get busy with real world shit and i am sure i have open old sale threads.
8625  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: mmpool.org - 1.5% fee DGM/PPS - tx fees/vardiff/merge mine/tor on: September 29, 2021, 09:37:09 PM
 My thanks to mikey and fuzzy

Yeah someone is pushing hard maybe we hit a block soon.  
0.7 btc is a good piece of change
I would like to point the quotes out to him.

  I am sure he can be reached via emails to

admin@mmpool.org

I know someone attacked the pool with ddos for years so maybe that is
the reason he stays off this site.
8626  Economy / Economics / Re: Gavin Andresen prediction for Bitcoin in 2061 on: September 29, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Seems possible to me.  But frankly I am 64 and will be 104 in 2061 so I won't give a fuck.

BTC has long term issues lets see

3.125           btc in 2024
1.5625         btc in 2028
0.78125       btc in 2032
0.390625     btc in 2036
0.1953125   btc in 2040
0.09765625 btc in 2044


0.048828125 btc in 2048 and we are not equipped to do this since we stop at 8 digits

so do we fight and fork to cut the last number off .

what do we do?  and that is 27 years from now I will be 91 and most likely not care about btc.
8627  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: mmpool.org - 1.5% fee DGM/PPS - tx fees/vardiff/merge mine/tor on: September 29, 2021, 07:44:56 PM

I see someone is tossing good hashrate here


http://mmpool.org/statistics


Estimated Payout (top 20 submitters)
Rank   Id   DGM Estimate   Shares   Rate (MHash/s)

1   06ae84f6   3.82416229   5,081,711,146,188   5,424,633,989
2   2d0ba29d   0.17146801   226,598,989,045   0

3   7c9016f6   0.10383730   201,012,561,375   0
4   b0d22e5b   0.10861772   183,394,661,966   27,312,212
5   c932f3ed   0.10389316   149,701,072,655   0
6   71602a00   0.12009851   149,676,555,535   0
7   1b7093a2   0.15869197   149,332,552,770   0
8   29501a4c   0.10411253   148,578,650,858   0


9   a5d78fff   1.16633097   130,161,014,576   0
10   c03a6b93   0.01910102   32,332,000,000   0

I have no idea what I have the BTC payout address at for any of my miners

I switched off 2 computers since we last hit a block

so this are all mine

3   7c9016f6   0.10383730   
4   b0d22e5b   0.10861772   
5   c932f3ed   0.10389316   
6   71602a00   0.12009851   
7   1b7093a2   0.15869197   
8   29501a4c   0.10411253   



this is over  0.696 btc if we hit a block today 

I am posting a request to get paid to

146UJM5kgzLVUV23CXCf33KQKHckoX1gx3

if and when we hit the next block

Could someone quote this.
8628  Other / Off-topic / Re: [WO/Hat-Gang Only - MODERATED] The fucking COVID vax thread (No hat? Fuck off!) on: September 29, 2021, 07:13:06 PM
For all pro vaxxers myself included the first chink in the provax armor was the 99.2% quotes used in june about the death rates since Jan 1 to June or May 1.  Anyone that understands math and stats knows that counting Jan and Feb and March in the stats to show how much higher the deaths rates for non vaxed to vax stood understands it was intentional and deliberate misuse of date to favor vaccines. Once I heard that I knew that lies were being said.

you do not include death rates from the early months to show success of vaccines since hardly anyone was fully vaxxed in Jan or feb.

It is hard find some really good examples of bad reporting but here goes


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm


cdc above report covers  Jan 1 to  April 30 A direct quote from report


"A total of 10,262 SARS-CoV-2 vaccine breakthrough infections had been reported from 46 U.S. states and territories as of April 30, 2021. Among these cases, 6,446 (63%) occurred in females, and the median patient age was 58 years (interquartile range = 40–74 years). Based on preliminary data, 2,725 (27%) vaccine breakthrough infections were asymptomatic, 995 (10%) patients were known to be hospitalized, and 160 (2%) patients died. Among the 995 hospitalized patients, 289 (29%) were asymptomatic or hospitalized for a reason unrelated to COVID-19. The median age of patients who died was 82 years (interquartile range = 71–89 years); 28 (18%) decedents were asymptomatic or died from a cause unrelated to COVID-19. Sequence data were available from 555 (5%) reported cases, 356 (64%) of which were identified as SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern,§ including B.1.1.7 (199; 56%), B.1.429 (88; 25%), B.1.427 (28; 8%), P.1 (28; 8%), and B.1.351 (13; 4%).

As of April 30, 2021, approximately 101 million persons in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.¶"



so 10,000 of 100,000,000 so called failed vaccines

wow that is nice. that means only 1 of 10,000 vaccines failed

sure 100,000,000/10,000 = 10000 to 1

This is a statistic that would only be true if you start on  April 30 and track the 100 million to August 31

not from Jan 1 to April 30 as they did.  SInce the vax rate was almost no one on Jan 1

So this is a clear cut 100% perfect piece of evidence of data manipulation.

If you are a provaxer like I was and see this report it scares the shit out of you if you understand what I am writing.

Now pro vaxers please understand  That you simply are being feed bad info in the disguise of good info.

Any provaxer missing the lie I am pointing please discuss with me.   person that has had 100's of vaccines and will continue getting them when and if I think it is nessesary .

I saw this report after I got my second shot like may 4th if I had this info before I hd my 2 shots I would have hesitated since I have and still have the ability to duck and cover more then many others do.
8629  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: IMPORTANT - need answers to my questions please! on: September 29, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
Okay I will ask the mod to move this to altcoins. And I will effort to explain why it belongs in altcoins.

This section for mining is a pure bitcoin only section.

When you mine with gpus there are 3 or 4 algorithms that can be mined at a profit.

BTC can be directly mined with a gpu at a loss. = pure

BTC can be acquired mining other algorithms and getting other coins and exchanging them for BTC =not pure

 So asking about indirectly getting gpus to get btc at a profit belong in altcoins.

Okay you are in France I am not aware of french or european based mining services that would do what you want.

Now private people may do it for you.  

For instance you could hire a person to build a 12 card minerdude rig and run it.

But there are not a lot of trustworthy people around.

Once this is moved to altcoins I will comment more.
8630  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Minerdude 12 slot case review. on: September 29, 2021, 06:14:20 PM
So I now have four of them.

2 are filled with 8 cards
1 has 5 cards
1 is empty

I am overwhelmed with a lot of real life shit so I have not posted much on this.

I will get back to it.

 This case has a clone the octominer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR4vICzqh3M

down side is order it from overseas must buy 5 and they basically kind of ignore buyer that want 5 or 10

Minerdude will sell you 1 piece and ship quickly


here is a redpanda test of the amd 6600xt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxqHsiG-8g

I may get a few more from minerdude next week. I need to figure out all my gear amounts before I decide what to do.
8631  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] Avalon Rpi on: September 29, 2021, 04:54:38 PM
Anybody have an old raspberry pi with 841 firmware laying around?

maybe. but i can not check til sat
8632  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2021, 04:46:14 PM
In 2022 the price will drop back from say 200k to 120k much like 2018 20k to 12k but the hash rate will catch up.

Holy shit.  That's a pretty extreme correction expectation philip.

I can appreciate $200k to $20k would be within reasonable extremes.. but I doubt that even $120k (if that were the top) would justify having corrections below $20k..

I think philipma1957 is only talking about 200k to 120k.  The same percentage as 20k to 12k in the past.


yeah I am explaining the projected 2022 ratio

to the prior 2018 numbers

and in order for it to be the same  as 2017 -2018 we need to spike really hard from now til dec-jan far out stripping the diff.

then have prices slide in 2022 with diff gowing to catch up
8633  Economy / Computer hardware / Feeler for NIB sealed Evga 3090 FTW3 on: September 29, 2021, 04:34:10 PM
So I listed for the queue on Evga website  and this was released for me to buy yesterday.

I grabbed it for 2050 maybe 2060 make that $2018.

That is retail price for that card . It arrives at my house on Friday the 1st of October.

Obviously I am looking to mark it up some what but not stupidly.  

 Since I am original buyer with evga website receipt you get a full 3 year warranty.

So If I sell it at 2150 and free shipping. I profit about 50-75 dollars

here is my purchase info


Invoice: Order ID 53xxxxx
Order Date: 9/28/2021 11:39:35 AM
Order Status: Order Complete
Billing Address
Philip Axxxxxx
From PayPal Account  
,
Shipping Address
Philip Axxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
HOWELL, NJ
07731
US
Part Number   Description   Qty   Unit Cost   Total
24G-P5-3987-KR   EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 ULTRA GAMING, 24G-P5-3987-KR, 24GB GDDR6X, iCX3 Technology, ARGB LED, Metal Backplate   1   $1,852.69   $1,852.69
Sub Total:   $1,852.69
Tax Total:   $122.74
    Adult Signature:   $5.75
    Shipping Rate:         $36.00
        Shipping Total:         $41.75

  Grand Total:   $2,017.18 MY cost

 So I will leave this up till I get it on friday 1st
 I can ship it on sat the 2nd


Please
Make offers over $2150.00

BTC ETH LTC DOGE all work

8634  Economy / Economics / Re: How would the ecosystem change if the fees came back to the user after 1 year? on: September 29, 2021, 03:45:19 PM
Actually as a miner first and foremost my first thought was not very nice.
But I did see hugeblack gave it a merit so I  read all answers>

I realize t could work in conjunction with the idea I floated about here and there the "lost" coin or stale abandoned account idea.

Down the road as rewards shrink if transactions are frozen  the system would collapse as miners would say fuck this shit no $$ in it for me.

I posted the 50 year stale address idea which is an address that has not had a withdrawal is stale or abandoned.  The contents float back to th rewards and miners get a much needed boost.

If you say it prevents a holder from holder his coins it does not.
Ie a 50 coin address idle from 2009 to 2059 simply needs to pull .00000001 out and into a new address.

so it says 49.99999999 or maybe 49.99990000 the main amount stays still the address is not lost or abandoned  .  the long time holder keeps his privacy.

obviously some coins are abandoned and lost they fold back into the rewards moneys. The transaction dependency that will be an issue in 2059 becomes far less of an issue.  The frozen fee idea can be twisted around a bit  but I see a hint of value to it. Down the road my idea and the op's idea will be improved and implemented in one form or another.

Why because solving scaling is needed and blending these proposals could make it work for miners long time holders and daily users.
8635  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: S17 Pro - stop mining: Can't get temperature sensor type! on: September 29, 2021, 03:00:34 PM
I tried a 'soft' firmware update with latest Bitmain firmware (remotely) and it fixed the issue - thank you!

Thanks for follow up
8636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Number 9! Ninth altcoin thread. Back to the moon Baby! on: September 29, 2021, 01:40:12 PM
well take while you can 5 a day for 1 cpu is really good.

I do suggest 50-50 or 60-40 or 40-60

as your sell to hodl numbers.

any of them are more then fully selling off monero would be and the hodl could pull a doge down the road.

Phil,

I updated my post with a link to a spreadsheet tracking different cpu performance https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ABYpRGBEOg_OcMdhspS1DfklVjetuUhGca_s3H3gjRI/edit#gid=609370861

good info I gave you 7 merits you will bump up to next level as you are at 10


hey to anyone interested I have a built 3900x rig open board I may sell it.

My issues in life are I have very full plates right now.

My house needs to be fixed up a bit and decluttered with gear.
My poor bro-in-law almost died from heat stroke on July 31 this summer at best he damaged his hippocampus the part of your brain that rules your  short term memories. So I have been doing a lot of health aid duty for him.
I can't leave him alone for more then 2 days as he forgets to eat.
Worse I can't leave my wife his sister with him as they fight and he hurt her a bit.

So basically running:

a farm with 3 partners
a small office with 3 pc's mining
a second office with 18 gpu's
My house with 30 gpu's my first power bill over 1k ever last month
and the ebay sales

along with driving back and forth to care for my bro-in-law is too fucking hard.

Seems to me selling off the 3900x rig maybe 2 of them allows someone to make some $$ on the new algo .

I am going to be home on sat and sun I will post back and figure out if I have 1 or 2 rigs to sell.
8637  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Number 9! Ninth altcoin thread. Back to the moon Baby! on: September 29, 2021, 01:34:11 PM
well take while you can 5 a day for 1 cpu is really good.

I do suggest 50-50 or 60-40 or 40-60

as your sell to hodl numbers.

any of them are more then fully selling off monero would be and the hodl could pull a doge down the road.
8638  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2021, 07:31:00 AM
Blockstream bought Spondoolies remnant (people in the know understand what I am talking about).
My concern is that Chinese would stop producing miners. Maybe Blockstream has something lined up.
SOMEONE should step in (Samsung?), the only question is ensuring financing, chip supply and assembly.
It is NOT very easy as all US producers were either bad or went bankrupt.

Miner production is the last aspect that poses a threat to Bitcoin: it is the last centralized aspect of Bitcoin.
A crackdown on ASICS producers and foundries could hurt the system.
But its'...transitory.
In the long run, markets will readjust and new producers would come in to take their slice of the profits.




IT'S HAPPENING!



https://twitter.com/documentingbtc/status/1442955263149887490?s=21

Sorry, in a long run we are all dead, so this argument does not fly very far.
No doubt some might come at some point, but where are they now?
Nobody apart from another Chinese company or two wanted to challenge Bitmain for mass miner production, although there were many billions at stake.
I am not sure why.

All 'investors' on this forum underappreciate the mining aspect and VERY often pooh-pooh it.
However with no miners production for a couple years, I assure you that the price will stagnate as well. Why? Because hashing power is one important aspect to which people always point as a sign of bitcoin network growth. If there would be no growth in hashing power, I fully expect that the price might stagnate as well.
The 'investor' class here might argue that it ain't so and mining reacts to price and not vice versa, but bitcoin network IS based on mining, so I would respectfully disagree with such opinions. Who knows, maybe the price is sniffing out this possibility.

TL;DR with no new miners there will be no significant bitcoin price appreciation (let's make it a proclamation #1).

very bold prediction.

“stagnation” much like the USA congress a lot of shouting and no real legislation.
8639  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Where can I buy miners? on: September 29, 2021, 07:26:38 AM
Last night, China's Inner Mongolia seized a lot of mining machines. It is expected that the btc will continue to decline for some time in the future. This is a very unfavorable situation. As a miner, this is bad news. I hope that a better development method can be proposed.

well this is interesting but a link helps.

a lot of machines is ?

10 x s19 is 1ph not a lot
100x s19 is 10ph not a lot
1000x s19 is 100 ph not a lot
10000x s19 is 1 eh and while a lot still under 1%

15000x s19 is 1.5 eh and is 1% of the network

it would be 3.4 x 15 = a 51 mega watt plant I am thinking it was not that much.

Link would help.
8640  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Number 9! Ninth altcoin thread. Back to the moon Baby! on: September 29, 2021, 07:07:50 AM
Huge pages?  Is that a windows thing?  This is on hiveos linux - just fulltune.  Its a 5950x.

so you get 9.8 gh on a 5950?

how much is that worth?

my 3970 and 3960 would do more

maybe 16.0 and 12.0

i have no access to the cpu gear till sat.

i also have 2 x 3900x rigs.

seems like i can get to 40.0 gh for the 4 rigs.
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