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8741  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitcoin investing versus bitcoin transactions on: November 18, 2020, 04:45:15 AM
if you trade in Forex (exchanging national currencies against each other) does it prevent you from using any of those fiats as a currency? obviously no. things are not different when you trade bitcoin against any of those fiats either. it is just in another market where you trade a currency called bitcoin with it being more volatile than other currencies since it is new and has a small market.
8742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin bullrun and correction period on: November 18, 2020, 04:34:04 AM
and a possible correction period post Bullrun?
i find it very odd to talk about something that is too far away in the future. it would be like talking about what started in January 2018 all the way back in middle of 2016 because that is where we are right now, close but still far from the previous ATH breaking of which is a long process itself. then we enter the big bull run that comes after all of which can last for over a year.

I disagree. Today's growth is not exactly how the 2017 bull run started. The price during that time went crazy without even a factor we can consider of the growth. The bull run today has fundamentals and not just because it was a bullish hype.
you are thinking about the end of the bubble which was the lat 2 or 3 months of 2017 not the START of the bull run. the start was in 2016 when price broke out of $400 IIRC. similarly the start of this bull run was when price broke out of $4000.
8743  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Please critique my paper-wallet creation steps on: November 18, 2020, 04:28:33 AM
I was told it's easy to convert to something else, but for long term storage, it could be a good idea generating the seed in Ian Coleman's tool and then verify with Electrum.
it is unclear what you mean by "convert".
you can't convert the Electrum mnemonic to another mnemonic like BIP39, however you can derive the master private key (starting with xprv) and that string is universally accepted and understood by all HD wallets and as long as you know the derivation path, you can get the same addresses.
as for the web tool (Coleman's) i wouldn't suggest it for cold storage, i prefer desktop apps written in any language other than JS that don't rely on my browser to run.
8744  Other / Archival / Re: 6 Most Popular Criticisms Of Bitcoin on: November 17, 2020, 08:45:45 AM
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1. Bitcoin is too volatile to be a store of value.
2. Bitcoin has failed as a means of payment.
3. Bitcoin is wasteful.
4. Bitcoin is used for illicit activity.
5. Bitcoin is not backed by anything.
6. Bitcoin will be replaced by a competitor.
only the first and possibly the third points here could be categorized as "criticism", number 2 and 4 is purely FUD, 5 comes from lack of understanding of what a currency truly is which has nothing to do with bitcoin and the last one is not even a criticism, it is a prediction that could be used in different contexts to mean different things. in context of advertising a shitcoin it becomes a lie, in context of manipulators becomes FUD and in other context it is stating the obvious that every technology is some day replaced by something else!
8745  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Please critique my paper-wallet creation steps on: November 17, 2020, 08:33:00 AM
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13) You now no longer need this wallet and you can end your session to permenantly wipe everything you've just done. The only thing you need are three things...1) the seed phrase 2) the Master Public Key and 3) the address. You need not retrain anything else from Electrum except these 3 things.
you didn't need to copy the address here, only the seed phrase for the backup and the master public key for the online watch-only wallet which will create all the same addresses from this wallet using the MPK.

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19) If you want to use the BTC, repeat step 1-5 (make sure you start a new session). When you get to step 6, instead of "create a new seed", select "I already have a seed". On the next screen enter your seed phrase from step 8.
there are some additional steps here (to _spend_ your bitcoin). you basically need a dual setting, one offline one online.
you do the steps quote on your offline machine to sign the transactions while the MPK is on the online machine and creates the unsigned tx and broadcast the signed one later.
details can be found here: https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html

i also strongly suggest testing all these steps before using it for real. you could use testnet coins for free and without any worries.
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/76598/how-to-get-electrum-3-1-3-on-bitcoin-testnet
some faucets:
https://testnet-faucet.mempool.co/
https://bitcoinfaucet.uo1.net/
https://coinfaucet.eu/en/btc-testnet/
8746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just poked that GUY on: November 17, 2020, 06:47:00 AM
if it were to "poke" every brainless monkey whom i know in real life or online and had made some stupid comment about bitcoin then i wouldn't have time to do anything else in my life. and i have been around for 6 years so i know quite a lot of them! not to mention that it is pointless to just poke the person alone.

however, i think that sometimes it is good to remind other people of the idiocy of these people and how FUD works. for example recently someone bumped a topic in speculation board which i liked because it was a good reminder about how they operate during any kind of dip. and that has educational merit.
8747  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US stimulus package of $1,200 now worth $3,000 (Bitcoin store of value) on: November 17, 2020, 06:30:47 AM
What was your stimulus used for? Lips sealed
the problem is that most people don't have any contingency plan, they get used to a routine and never think about anything else. this is mostly the problem in developed countries. studies show majority of Americans don't even have any money saved up!
so to answer your question, most people used it for their primary needs instead of thinking about investing it. and a one time thousand bucks isn't really that much money to begin with for people like that.

Yeah, bitcoin could have gone bearish,
i don't think so. bitcoin was bearish for nearly 2 years, you can't expect the bear market to extend indefinitely. at some point it has to come to an end. and it was ended before the pandemic even began and the massive growth was there preventing it from going any other way than bullish.
8748  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal Reaches 85% of Binance.US Volume on: November 17, 2020, 06:14:41 AM
Just as expected. Some people didn't expect PayPal to perform well on their crypto sector because of the current lack of crypto deposits and withdrawals. This is just enough proof that people don't care about self-custody and self sovereignty, but mostly just the investment factor.
does it? i think it mostly shows that there are a lot of people with a ton of PayPal money that were more than willing to trade with bitcoin if the opportunity arose. and as soon as it did, they jumped at it. keep in mind that before PayPal started this feature there were a lot of demand and a lot of trades outside of their platform to trade PayPal for bitcoin. now it is official and a lot safer.
8749  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP39 12 and 24 seed words on: November 17, 2020, 05:12:34 AM
Exactly... a lot of people don't seem to understand that the bits encoded in the BIP39 mnemonic are not actually your "seed" as such... it's just "entropy"...
technically in cryptography the term "seed" is referred to the random string of bits that is used as the input to a deterministic function to derive keys. so in this context the "entropy" used at the very beginning of BIP39 is indeed the "seed". then we derive what we can refer to as "BIP32 seed" or maybe a "derived seed".

for example this is how NIST defines seed for pseudo-random RNGs which is similar to what we do in BIP32/39 which are deterministic RNGs:
Noun: A string of bits that is used as input to a DRBG [Deterministic Random Bit Generator] mechanism. The seed will determine a portion of the internal state of the DRBG, and its entropy must be sufficient to support the security strength of the DRBG.
8750  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Are there protections built-in against 51% attack? on: November 17, 2020, 04:51:33 AM
Not exactly into dust since there are few altcoin which have same PoW algorithm, but still a huge loss. Additionally, it'll affect bitcoin price in negative way and reducing value of the mined Bitcoin.
a good point, but considering the fact that said altcoins are copies of bitcoin that are copying its every move it stands to reason to assume they would also make the transition (in an even easier manner since most of them are centralized or very small) to the new algorithm.
8751  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP39 12 and 24 seed words on: November 16, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
Yeah I can't decide if the checksum is for recovery explicitly or if it's to check you've typed the mnemonic in correctly.
the checksum is always for error detection not recovery. recovery is like a side effect of it but it is not needed, having a checksum makes the recovery faster since it is only computation of a hash rather than 4000-8000 hashes + EC point multiplication that comes afterwards.

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It could always be offered as a way to increase the recoverability of a seed but I'm not sure how you'd lose 2 words of your phrase and still have 10 (unless you wrote it down wrong...)
it is easy to damage the physical backups, for example a piece of paper that was torn or the ink faded over the years, ... it could also be bad handwriting, or simply writing the word wrong (eg. writing 11 words out of 12).
8752  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Are there protections built-in against 51% attack? on: November 16, 2020, 08:17:31 AM
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Are there protections built-in against 51% attack?
yes, the cost and ineffectiveness of such an attack is the preventing force.
the attacker first has to come up with about $3 billion, then has to manufacture about 1 to 1.2 million ASICs and find enough electricity to feed these machines to run and also cool them and also find the money to cover the cost of electricity and cooling. now they have about 51% of the total hashrate they start to realize that performing it attack is hard.
assuming they did all that and succeed, such a malicious attack puts bitcoin on a path of a hardfork which will in a short time change the mining algorithm and turns their billion dollar investment into dust.

As per my understanding, with a successful 51% attack, an attacker can confirm invalid transactions and do double spending of BTC.
they can only double spend a transaction they initiated themselves (meaning a transaction they made and have the private key to the outputs that were spent in it) not any other transaction and they can not confirm anything that is invalid.

doing any of this (apart from double spending) can be performed using a single CPU (not even an ASIC) because it is a hard fork that changes the consensus rules (eg. confirming invalid tx, reversing other people's txs,...) to create a new altcoin (just like the hundreds of altcoins that were created back in 2017 and 18) and their blocks are easily rejected by the entire bitcoin network.
8753  Other / New forum software / Re: If this forum ever gets an upgrade it should have markdown support instead of bb on: November 16, 2020, 07:42:07 AM
i like this idea a lot. both learning and writing markdown is so much easier than bbcode, there is lots of resources to google and figure out details if it were needed. most people should already have seen it while using reddit already so it is not something brand new to them.

i don't like the multi option though, going full markdown is better in my opinion.
8754  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin break its previous ATH record of 20K before end of 2020? on: November 16, 2020, 06:47:53 AM
Breaking $20k is not really the point of bitcoin, aside from all the technological and psychological and even sociological reasons why bitcoin was created, the other point of investment to bitcoin is to always keep growing, it may go down time to time and take a while to get back but as long as bitcoin keeps growing bigger and bigger that means we are going to see a ton of big prices like this in the future.
that is not the point of bitcoin! the supply is capped to prevent inflation and also have a predefined and clear supply distribution plan that can not be easily changed on a whim like fiat. at some point when adoption has already grown enough the value increase will stop and the only rise we will see is in price against fiat whenever fiat value drops due to its inflation.
8755  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: [Merit] Hey Bitcoiners! Can You Send Encrypted Messages? on: November 16, 2020, 05:47:58 AM
we bitcoiners can encrypt messages with the tools we already have without installing additional software. it needs AES (which all wallets have) and HMAC-SHA function which all deterministic wallets have and a public key which we can fetch from our wallet or from the person we want to send the encrypted message to.
i used OP's public key found on their profile (04e31f13f55c8bd626a32bf9ad93744e1cb3a4ec4b5efe1cce89e06687aa7bec7476ca4a343bdaf 9b5db1042966c0a8284a2e293ea7901d5284f4bd29cc6d26a40)
Code:
QklFMQIHp6o9MrhtkodROnsmHgk2KljsilF+LZN8SWyCcvpwcBV5C0eGV4wY5hU8n8YT/aSIXRdw6XpLHKbSlF/eSo1d0jNi5b3RBU0eGHItHWyoL5frJ29ffkjvPZYvIUk7KI0=

the process is known as ECIES and Electrum already has an easy to use implementation of it to encrypt and decrypt messages.


i realized that the example above can only be decrypted by OP (it needs private key) so here is an example with its private key revealed (on testnet):
Code:
private key: cR4X2irxZwFrPBY8Jz8SfjGMyAdsnvCSPjWe3GQjubEKK21v44Ye
public key: 037287e275b9b40bf8d528e215ad53f09f14cd0363125bea276e020ec6f851c310
encrypted message: QklFMQNQd6jCL8MF8AIfJQ4Acn5yQ4UEFggIWQWhMP4r2eDbjY3jkfC5Oca6B1VYGb/qvJIWzxDLWyLKzgnAAx2CjEy+V9wvkC/yr8p6QKZ7OB+v+5QDyNKCPpU1dmJMqfQ3iPo=
8756  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: With block explorer and tx hash, can I know which transaction is multi-signed on: November 16, 2020, 04:47:53 AM
What are meanings of 4 parts?

Are first 3 parts for 3 co-signers?
these are 4 items that are being pushed to the stack. since the output being spent is a P2SH output, the last item is a redeem script. and since the redeem script is OP_3 <pub><pub><pub><pub><pub> OP_5 OP_CheckMultiSig (a 3of5 multi-sig) it means it has to have at least 3 signatures on the stack which makes the remaining 3 items above to be signatures, which they are 3 signatures from 3 of the keys inside the redeem script.
8757  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 6 countries have more than 50% of BTC exchange traffic on: November 16, 2020, 04:08:56 AM
For some of the countries, I have a feeling that there may be under-reporting of data. For example, in India the local exchanges were closed down many months back and most of the trading occurs in peer-to-peer platforms. And most of these platforms may refuse to divulge trade volumes. The same can be said about other countries, such as China and the Latin American nations such as Brazil and Argentina.
when trades take place peer to peer then there is no volume being recorded anywhere to be reported later. there isn't exactly a platform to report it either, the "platform" is mostly a place where the two parties meet each other to make the trade in private without the rest of the world knowing about its details.
if it is any other way, then the method can not be called P2P anymore.
8758  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BIP39 12 and 24 seed words on: November 16, 2020, 03:47:26 AM
Afaik you can have any multiple of 3 greater than 0 and less than or equal to 24...

Correct, BIP 39 mention the entropy must be multiplication of 32-bits (before generate checksum and divide the entropy+cheksum by 11).
But 12 and 24 word length are the standard and there are very few wallet which can generate neither 12/24 word length mnemonic.
a bit OT but this made me thinking that if we modify BIP39 a little we can come up with some cool things. for instance we can increase the "padding" (checksum size) to not be the minimal but be the similar size as what we add to a WIF for instance (32 bits). for example for 128-bit entropy instead of padding with 4 bits we can pad with 26 bits which adds 2 more words but makes recovery A LOT faster due to far less collision. eg. recovering missing 2 words takes about an hour but with a bigger checksum it takes less than a minute.
8759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin whale clusters show ‘institutional FOMO’ is behind the BTC rally on: November 15, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
BUT, if you want truly be honest, then zoom out. What triggered Bitcoin to start a path to price discovery from a few cents, to more than $10,000, and on it's why to 6 digits? That's not mere FOMO, or hype in my opinion.
exactly. people sometimes forget that the price rise didn't start yesterday, figuratively speaking. for instance in case of the PapPal news, price was already rising long before that news came out then it contributed to a little bit of hype then things went back to normal. it is the same with drops too, we see some panic sells for a short time (creating the dip) then things go back to normal again as price keeps rising.
8760  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Seed phrase, password, address, public key, private key, master public key..Wth! on: November 15, 2020, 08:26:59 AM
Wouldn’t each index except for the last one need to be between 0 and 0x7fffffff, because you’d have to derive normal child keys in order to use as the last index a value between 0x8000000 and 0xffffffff representing hardened keys, which have to come last since they cannot derive more keys, and the last index could also be between 0 and 0x7fffffff if you just want a normal key?

It means the last index can be 32 bits but you can only use the lower 31 bits of previous indices.
no all indices covers the entire range and can be between 0 and the max value (0xffffffff).
the only thing that changes is the way we derive the child keys. if the highest bit of the index is set, it is a hardened key and the respective method for hardened keys is used and if it is not set we use the other method for non-hardened keys. it doesn't matter what depth the index is at.
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