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8781  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 100,000 votes on Dropbox website and counting! bitcoin adoption imminent? on: May 31, 2013, 04:54:58 PM
One hundred thousand votes and they still haven't done it. Do you think maybe they aren't going to do it no matter what?
I hope not. Remember the "mintchip challenge"? they asked what the best use for mintchip digital currency was and people voter for using it to buy bitcoins. They threw out that winning choice and picked their own contest "winner".

That's exactly what I was thinking and the case I was thinking of.
8782  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 31, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
Why doesn't someone file A Federal Law Suit against these assholes? You can't delay a pre-order indefinitely that is outright Fraud! Especially if your doing it with the knowledge that you don't have a ready product and will never have one. It seems obvious BFL is a Fraud and that whoever got these Butterflylab Miners are in on the scam. I doubt one working unit even exists. It's easy to post pictures or even a video of a model that seems to be running.

Without a government backed investigation or one conducted by a reputable private agency there is no way to validate that even 1 functioning model has been delivered. I imagine BF labs has a lot of paid Shills and co-conspirators. Whoever bought into the scam is naïve as they are Greedy and BF labs took advantage of that Greed and naivete to the tune of Millions.

If it seems to good to be true it is too good to be true. If BFLabs could make these miners they'd be a Fortune 500 company. All they can make apparent is a very elaborate scam and a convincing website to reel in the gullible and the Greedy.

I thought about buying a BFL miner when I first got into bitcoin a few months ago but after doing my research It was obvious to me it was a scam.

These guys are Criminals and someone who fell for this scam should file a Federal Lawsuit on them. Why hasn't anyone done this yet? I have a feeling the guys who run BFL are all going to end up in Federal Prison sooner or later, you don't rip people off for Millions with impunity.

This is a big class action case and you might get a hungry attorney to do it on contingency.
8783  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 100,000 votes on Dropbox website and counting! bitcoin adoption imminent? on: May 31, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
One hundred thousand votes and they still haven't done it. Do you think maybe they aren't going to do it no matter what?
8784  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 31, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
^^^ this. Or as Ravi Zacharius once asked of moral relativism: Is anything "Wrong?"

There is no good versus evil, no right versus wrong, except as we perceive it within whatever social structures we accept. Was it OK for your god to rape the 13 year old, Mary, to give birth to himself? Apparently during that time period, it was condoned. Today it is not, even though this is one of the foundation events for a religion that espouses "absolute morals".

I wish people would stop playing so fast & loose.  Religion's link with morality is only incidental, the connection is similar to "life produces shit":  Sure, though not all the time & shitting is not what life's all about.  You don't need to reach for hot-button topics like "OMFG!  Mary waz 13!  Unrape tha loli!!11!," that's nonsense -- that age was the norm at the time.  Ether the world was pedo paradise, or ... non-event.  There are much less loaded examples, though.  Just take this great God-troll:

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” - Genisis 22

Ethics are a feeble human construct, an attempt at ruleset without extrinsic references or even a stated goal, Faith bulldozes over them & doesn't even say "whoops.".  

On a side note, there's a Godelian gray zone:  Acts which are neither illegal, immoral, nor even specifically against the tenets of any faith.  Farting in a crowded theater is one such act brought up by Burgess.  It's not illegal or immoral, and nevertheless wrong Huh



This reminds me of a friends funny story: his mother had cancer and got a colostomy (a plastic bag is glued to your stomach and waste goes in the bag). The mother couldn't stand this new pastor that took over for the old one at her church that she knew for years. Sunday morning the new pastor would stand at the exit after the sermon and shake everyone's hand as they left (the old pastor didn't do that). This made leaving the church very slow as people would stop to talk. He said his mother would poke a pin into the bag right as she got to the pastor to shake his hand releasing the gas inside and refused to let go of his hand for a long time. This happened every Sunday for a month. The new pastor stopped greeting everyone at the door.

True story.
8785  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 31, 2013, 03:57:43 PM
Why would the government ever worry about Bitcoin when we fuck each other over constantly? All they have to do is sit back and wait until no one has any trust left for any business catering to Bitcoin. BFL is is just one of many! Look at all the pools that have fucked people over, Zhou Tong still posts here with no scammer tag, nothing ever happened to Pirate, and on and on and on. The Feds are probably laughing their asses off and saving their tax dollars for something they really have to worry about.
8786  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Sexcoin - coin for adult industry on: May 31, 2013, 03:35:53 PM
Join my new coin - CumCoin!

Difficulty will start out hard but get soft and wet at the end. Blocks will be found inside a dark tunnel and must be found with a deep probe mining rig. Stinky brown blocks are invalid and will fork the chain so try to avoid. Proof of Work will be the completion of smoking at least a pack of cigarettes after each block is mined. Those individuals discovered mining in a pool will have their blocks labeled as perverted and forfeit fees to the police.
8787  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 31, 2013, 03:19:19 PM
For all those convinced its a scam..go put your money where your claim is and win some BTC for being right!

I started a bet on BFL going bankrupt:

http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1624

I would but I only make bets like that with Matthew N Wright and then I like to settle up for pennies on the dollar. lol
8788  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 31, 2013, 03:45:50 AM
Trust me when I tell you that it is not very popular to be a Christian anymore it seems so I would not think anyone would "fake it" to "fit in."

Are you fucking kidding me?! You only have something like 80% of the US population, all the prior and current presidents, 98% of the politicians, most of the news reporters, most of the school teachers and administrators... This country is steeped in religion/Christianity. Christmas decorations go up in October, all the religious holidays are very overtly celebrated, it's unthinkable for the president to not do any prayer or religious type of ceremony, those who point out that religious icons on public property are unconstitutional get persecuted and receive death threats... Atheists are the ones who are not very popular. Watch any news reporter interviewing an atheist. It's as if they are interviewing some weirdo with cancer.

Quoted For Absolute and Undeniable Truth!
8789  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 31, 2013, 03:33:04 AM
Assuming they do start to deliver, the first recipients will be the only ones that have any chance to pay off their device. Soon after delivery they will not be able to mine more than the best GPU can today.

What are you basing that on?

Please remember that as diff goes up, so will the value of BTC, if it doesn't then no one will mine.

Who is going to run a 50gh unit when the diff is 300m if BTC is $140? No one that is who!

But if BTC is $1000 and you earn 1/10th of a BTC a day, that doesn't suck.



I'm basing it on the fact that difficulty is going to skyrocket and the cost per coin needs to jump astronomically to keep up and make it profitable. You better hope trade volume increases a lot and btc does jump to $1,000 quickly. I don't see the logic in anyone not mining with a device that's energy efficient even as price falls. They waited so long and have such a large investment in hardware it would be stupid to ever shut it off. It's not like you can repurpose it or play video games with it.
8790  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: May 31, 2013, 01:47:19 AM
Do you still accept users from the U.S.?

Yes they do

Great, thanks!
8791  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GREAT NEWS FOR VIRTUAL CURRENCIES from Liberty Reserve Press Conference on: May 30, 2013, 07:13:20 PM
That's exactly who you want to be interested in it and who you can trust to be honest about their belief. You want the average citizen not the government workers that lie to the citizenry daily to serve their needs.
8792  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: May 30, 2013, 07:00:24 PM
Do you still accept users from the U.S.?
8793  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 30, 2013, 06:53:01 PM
Okay, so bitcoin is like Jesus(peace be with him), and the current banking system is like the pharisees.
As for end times prophecies, bitcoin is certainly one more step towards the end of the universe, just like every breath we take and every heartbeat.  
    Its because of my love for Jesus that I have to point out that coptic, roman catholic(and subsequently protestants), and orthodox Christians all include different books in their compilations of the bible. The current bible and Christian doctrine, including the doctrine of trinitarianism was established at the Council of Nicea three centuries after Jesus' ascension, and only received Emperor Constantine's approval because he wanted a unified doctrine for political reasons. All other viewpoints were then stamped out through torture, executions, and destruction of texts. Some of the texts that survived are included in the Nag Hammadi library.
     At the council of Nicea, St. Nicholas argued for trinitarianism, and a man named Arius argued for the unity of God. The argument became so heated that Nicholas slapped Arius in the face. Nicholas won the debate. I guess Arius just turned the other cheek.
     Given the disparity in various collections of the bible, small nuances in translation that can work out to major differences over the centuries, the questionable authorship of the bible(i.e.: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did not actually write the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), and the fact that Paul, the author of at least 15 of the books of the new testament, arrested, tortured, and killed Christians for living(yes, I am implying that St. Paul may have been a double agent) and also a tutor to the scribes who wrote some of the other books of the new testament, considering all of this I hold the bible in profound esteem and certainly consider the wisdom in it to be divine, however, I read it with caution knowing that it has most certainly been sullied by the hands of men. I mean no disrespect to anyone who believes the bible to be in its entirety to be divine word, and may God forgive me if I am mistaken.
     In the interest of truth and honoring the Messiah(may peace and blessings be with him) I write these words here. Actually I am just a troll. HA! Just joking.
Peace

LOL At least when my life flashes before my eyes I'll have something worth watching. It's actually making me hot just thinking about it.
8794  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 30, 2013, 06:49:05 PM
Assuming they do start to deliver, the first recipients will be the only ones that have any chance to pay off their device. Soon after delivery they will not be able to mine more than the best GPU can today.

This was my first thought when I started looking into them. Even if you could get one today, the chances of having it pay off are already slimming down quick. I can't imagine what an influx of ASIC's are going to do to the difficulty. I can see it going up 100x or more within a short period, after which the only people earning anything will be those that have a farm of ASIC's, rather than just one.

Yep, if you don't have one in your hands pretty damn soon don't even bother.
8795  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 30, 2013, 06:44:55 PM
Assuming they do start to deliver, the first recipients will be the only ones that have any chance to pay off their device. Soon after delivery they will not be able to mine more than the best GPU can today.
8796  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 30, 2013, 06:27:59 PM
I am deciding what to listen to and what influences my mind.  I have found I need to have a filter on at all times.

Sounds to me like you are describing that blindfold you mentioned earlier, and that you are the one trying to get others to put on the blindfold as opposed to "seeing" and being frustrated at others wearing blindfolds.
How is selectively picking what you allow yourself to see and read supposed to be "opening your eyes and seeing?"

That is a good question.  I can see your point.  I have no problem studying all religions and beliefs or philosophies or even reading books that I do not "agree" with.  It is really important to understand others and where they are coming from.  I think many Christians are ignorant about what others believe.  All religions have some good elements in them, otherwise why would anyone follow them?  So in order to respect others, it is really important to try to understand them!  That said, there are things that I can instantly know is not right and be selective and not allow myself to look at.  For example, pornography is one thing.  It is degrading to women.  I suppose someone could justify it in that it celebrates the beauty of women, etc, but I think that it leads to lust and thoughts that are not "pure" so I try to to avoid having it around our house.  I really don't want to expose my kids to it either.  So, I shelter myself, and my children from it.  Or songs that are violent, angry, full of cussing etc.  What good comes from that?  I am not necessarily opposed to any style of songs, per se, although I really don't care for rap too much, but if the message behind the song is good then I thing is is great.  There are many TV shows I will not watch after watching it once or twice.  Why?  The message in the show is trying to promote a lifestyle, or thinking that is hedonistic.  I have found in my life that if I allow those things in I slowly begin to think that those things are normal.  We can see the shift in our own society.  There were things that were not accepted 50 or 60 years ago that are now "normal."  Many would say that is a "good" thing.  I, on the other hand, think it is a dangerous movement.  Also, there are so many different ideas out there.  How does one know what truth really is?  We are in a world that is getting to a point where there is almost no belief in absolute truth at all.  Everything is becoming more relative.  I personally believe in absolute truth and that my foundation is the Bible.  This is my own personal belief and I know many of you will stop reading right there and say I am a Bible-thumper and discredit everything else I say.  But that is where I am coming from.  I suppose someone could argue that the Bible is my "blindfold."  I think the Bible has become my lens that I try to look through to measure what is good, right, pure etc.

I guess the question I have is why wouldn't people selectively pick what they watch?  Do they think that they can just watch anything and it won't affect them? Do they see things that they don't agree with but then not worry about it affecting them? Maybe they do not even have a moral compass by which to measure things?  I think it is just that whatever is entertaining, or interesting, or funny, or makes them feel good etc. is what most people watch, read, or fill their minds with, personally. (not all people I know)

Also, it is wrong to try to shelter myself, or my children, from things that are not wholesome?  



There is nothing wrong with trying to protect your children. In fact, that's your job as a parent. The sad truth is that the parents are not the ones, at least in my country, that corrupt children. It's the public school system, peer pressure, Sunday school and summer camp that corrupt children. The first time I got high was after church with the son of one of the church deacons. The first time I got laid was under the bleachers after school. Both were great experiences by the way.

Sex and drugs are tempting for a reason. Wink

I have been hurt by people in the church too, but it still does not change who God is and the fact that the Bible is true.  I think the thing that pains God more than anything (and we see this in the parables when Jesus tells off the rabbis and Pharisees) is when those that are supposed to be following Him hurt others, especially children!  The Bible even says "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."

You sound like a good person. Good people will be good with or without God. Religion is a way for good people to rationalize all the bad that exists in the world without going crazy. It also gives them a tool to try to make bad people good. I guess from that standpoint there is nothing wrong with religion. I'm glad you found something to give you comfort.
8797  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] WeedCoin || Released || Coin for Stoners || Fair launch || Blaze it on: May 30, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
What's next? Get the munches then get horny and jack off coin?
8798  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] WeedCoin || Released || Coin for Stoners || Fair launch || Blaze it on: May 30, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
What makes it weedcoin exactly? Do the blocks forget which addess they were going to?
8799  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 30, 2013, 05:54:41 PM
I am deciding what to listen to and what influences my mind.  I have found I need to have a filter on at all times.

Sounds to me like you are describing that blindfold you mentioned earlier, and that you are the one trying to get others to put on the blindfold as opposed to "seeing" and being frustrated at others wearing blindfolds.
How is selectively picking what you allow yourself to see and read supposed to be "opening your eyes and seeing?"

That is a good question.  I can see your point.  I have no problem studying all religions and beliefs or philosophies or even reading books that I do not "agree" with.  It is really important to understand others and where they are coming from.  I think many Christians are ignorant about what others believe.  All religions have some good elements in them, otherwise why would anyone follow them?  So in order to respect others, it is really important to try to understand them!  That said, there are things that I can instantly know is not right and be selective and not allow myself to look at.  For example, pornography is one thing.  It is degrading to women.  I suppose someone could justify it in that it celebrates the beauty of women, etc, but I think that it leads to lust and thoughts that are not "pure" so I try to to avoid having it around our house.  I really don't want to expose my kids to it either.  So, I shelter myself, and my children from it.  Or songs that are violent, angry, full of cussing etc.  What good comes from that?  I am not necessarily opposed to any style of songs, per se, although I really don't care for rap too much, but if the message behind the song is good then I thing is is great.  There are many TV shows I will not watch after watching it once or twice.  Why?  The message in the show is trying to promote a lifestyle, or thinking that is hedonistic.  I have found in my life that if I allow those things in I slowly begin to think that those things are normal.  We can see the shift in our own society.  There were things that were not accepted 50 or 60 years ago that are now "normal."  Many would say that is a "good" thing.  I, on the other hand, think it is a dangerous movement.  Also, there are so many different ideas out there.  How does one know what truth really is?  We are in a world that is getting to a point where there is almost no belief in absolute truth at all.  Everything is becoming more relative.  I personally believe in absolute truth and that my foundation is the Bible.  This is my own personal belief and I know many of you will stop reading right there and say I am a Bible-thumper and discredit everything else I say.  But that is where I am coming from.  I suppose someone could argue that the Bible is my "blindfold."  I think the Bible has become my lens that I try to look through to measure what is good, right, pure etc.

I guess the question I have is why wouldn't people selectively pick what they watch?  Do they think that they can just watch anything and it won't affect them? Do they see things that they don't agree with but then not worry about it affecting them? Maybe they do not even have a moral compass by which to measure things?  I think it is just that whatever is entertaining, or interesting, or funny, or makes them feel good etc. is what most people watch, read, or fill their minds with, personally. (not all people I know)

Also, it is wrong to try to shelter myself, or my children, from things that are not wholesome?  



There is nothing wrong with trying to protect your children. In fact, that's your job as a parent. The sad truth is that the parents are not the ones, at least in my country, that corrupt children. It's the public school system, peer pressure, Sunday school and summer camp that corrupt children. The first time I got high was after church with the son of one of the church deacons. The first time I got laid was under the bleachers after school. Both were great experiences by the way.
8800  Other / Off-topic / Re: lol on: May 30, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
I'm just a poor boy

I need no sympathy

i thought you are a high school girl  Huh

Only for you sweet tits.
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