I wasn't entirely sure how I felt about the whole ordeal either. All I know is it seems these days the idea of repercussions for one's actions seems almost non-existent. Bitmole lied several times and broke his agreement -- he had at that point apparently never even had a BTC and by his own admission for some reason couldn't buy one on an exchange even though he now says he has thousands of dollars at his disposal. This can only tell me he'd lie again in the future.

Whether it was intentional or tough luck or whatever other excuse you want to come up with, the fact remains he made a promise for money and broke it. There are repercussions. Even if its only a social stigma like the embarrassment of the "scammer" tag. It's not as if there are many options for punishment. And using a simpler reputation scale to rate him as "only somewhat of a scammer" because it was "only" 1BTC probably wouldn't have much affect on him. He's already said he will proudly continue wearing the current full scammer label, though I understand most people labeled as scammer here probably do this as a defense mechanism to assure the rest of us they don't care.

I hold out hope for him still. I do honestly believe he probably had good intentions at the start. Maybe this just makes me a good mark, I don't know.

He seems to be aware his integrity is diminished. The only thing standing in the way of a resolution (which he asked for either in this thread or some other) is his pride. He called me 'butthurt'. While I'm still pooping OK, I think he's pridehurt. He claims he won't pay because there is no longer a product. Obviously since it still exists he's manufactured a reason to cover his pridehurt. He feels in some sick twisted way now that if he pays he's giving in to the social pressure of the community because he feels his reputation can no longer be restored, when in reality paying his debt is the only way to restore honour. It's called "the right thing to do."

So he'll either remain standing on the warped principle that his theft was justified while the community continues reading about it and wondering if they should trust him and/or his endeavors, or he'll do the right thing and come out smelling like a rose. Maybe a 3-day old rose, but still.... I will be the one who becomes the town fool because I didn't wait long enough to be paid. I'll even lobby the moderators to get rid of the scammer tag though I'm a newbie and don't know if that would help or not.

AT this point it couldn't possibly even be about the worth of the 1BTC. I'm rooting for Bitmole to restore his honour. I hold out hope, small as it may be. In any case Bitmole is adamant about not paying his debt and the longer it goes on the less rose-like he's smelling. We can only yammer about it so much. The entire debacle could be restored if he can swallow his pride.

There are 3 fan controls, ODD, HDD, CPU. I'm guessing ODD is the GPU. I don't really know, obviously. I just set them all to about midway.

Well I'm kinda new to this so maybe my numbers are off. The Diablo miner says I'm getting 80,000-100,000 which I guess is 80-100 mhash/sec. My deepbit mining account says I'm averaging 35-45 though which I think is typically low but about where OSX normally is.

Thanks for the feedback. I did end up getting it going by installing smcfancontrol and using DiabloMiner.

Your distorted view of reality is charming. Comparing me, and anyone who has read the facts and agreed, to a child is especially ironic as it is children who share your distortion. I marvel at your ability to continue to sell yourself on your honesty. The fact you can continue to type "I'm an honest person who keeps my word" in the face of your actions is commendable. It shows strength. I'd guess most of us, were we in your shoes, eventually, maybe late at night or when we're alone with our thoughts on the subway to work, might instead be haunted that we were lying to ourselves.

Yikes, wow, I did receive a BTC. Thank you cuddlefish.
I should point out I'm not looking for hand outs. Just making the community aware of Bitmole's indiscretion.

At this point I think I would probably still consider service for Bitcoin. I mean I was completely aware of my compromised position by providing service without a deposit or escrow agreement. Was just getting my feet wet and got bit.

...and credit is normally paired with interest... and an an agreement that it is a credit situation one is entering into. Bitmole's "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" attitude is endearing though, just like Wimpy from the Popeye cartoons.

I hear what you're saying. It's all in the thread. It isn't necessarily that I didn't get paid immediately. It's that when I wasn't paid immediately I realized he had been lying about a couple things but I waited a few more days. Why waste time renegotiating with someone who didn't fulfill the first negotiation?

Even if he had originally intended to pay he was going to, given enough time and indignation, convince himself he didn't have to pay. That's the way this scam works. @5 days after I delivered I decided to cut my losses and post to the forum. Then he publicly declared indeed he wouldn't ever pay. So we've established he stole the service.

Ayep, it is. That sting you're feeling is pride. "That's pride f*cking with you. F*ck pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps. You fight through that sh!t."

You don't want to admit you stole services -- maintaining face is very important. I get it. And so you don't know how to get out of the mess you created. It's very simple.

You don't have to actually admit stealing anything. You pay me 1BTC and I have to go back to all these threads and admit that I was wrong about you, that I spouted off at the mouth about you never intending to pay when in reality you were simply a slow-paying customer instead of a no-paying customer. It'll all be my fault. You save face and I look like a heel. I'll probably have to fend off a bunch of forum attacks from people coming to your defense. I mean how could I have been so callous?

And the art itself? Use it or not. I didn't create the problem, you did. You weren't paying me for a file, you were paying me for my service, my time, my skill. The representation of those things -- the end result -- was a file. I still used my time and skill for you. Anyway, what does it really mean that I posted the link to the art? The day you put your web site up anybody could go grab the image anyway and use it however they want, just as you grabbed the coin and a pic of a mole to make your avatar. Having a link to the art means nothing - I just wanted your attention. Twitter, Facebook and YouTube have links to their logos, and now Bitmole joins their rank!

Are you listening to yourself?


I am an idiot about some things, that much is true. I don't always do the smartest thing. Like when I'm losing a fight. Sometimes I will kick the assailant in the balls on the way down. "It's just my nature," said the scorpion to the frog as they both drown.

We were handling the issue in private until you simply told me to wait. Wait for what? The agreement was on completion. A week after completion I decided I'd waited long enough. Assuming I would never get paid, I posted so the community would be aware of your actions. I could be wrong but I felt it was then the only course of action available to me. I understand you're embarrassed or upset at everyone finding out about your deceitful nature. It could all be changed if you admit you stole services and paid for them. Then I could go back into every thread and let the community know I am an embarrassment of a human being for ever doubting you.

You keep saying I never gave you a deadline. You stated "payment on completion" in the original terms. That was the deadline. Hello? Earth to Bitmole. Earth to Bitmole. Come in, Bitmole.


I was interested in receiving payment until it became apparent you intended to not pay, at which point I kicked you in the balls on the way down. I love that you keep saying my lack of professionalism and my inability to deal with delays is the reason you feel being a thief is justified. It really is precious.


You are correct. My regular rate is $85, not $80. Though I do sometimes charge a lesser fee for clients who bring me more work than one-off projects. It really depends on the projects and amounts and such. It's the area of the country not an indicator of skill. Washington DC, New York, some other places charge the most because the cost of living is higher. Web developers in this area charge anywhere from $50-$150 for graphic design and web development, with some more or less in the extremes. Heck, plumbers and builders charge at least $60/hour in this area to swing a hammer. I realize those prices are out of the norm for non-metro U.S. cities and outside the country.

As I said elsewhere I was simply trying to get you to understand, after you came back for revisions to the art, that I couldn't put endless hours into the project. Normally we'd have a contract and an estimate for hours but dealing through the forum was a bit different.

While the art I provided you may have its quality debated, you were offering $12 (1BTC) and so you got $12 worth of effort - that's barely minimum wage in the U.S.. Amazingly, there is no accounting for taste, since after delivery you exclaimed "Superb! This is good enough for me. I'll take it," and so as a client you must have been pleased. Or were you lying then as well?

And as for you being a graphic designer... I can see why you wouldn't think someone could charge that rate. However, remember that you came to me because you couldn't accomplish the task yourself. Recall you said, "What I couldn't get to look right was the shading of the 'ㅂ'. It just doesn't look like it's part of the coin, you know what I mean? It needs to be raised, and I didn't really know how to do that and make it look right."


So none of this has anything to do with your theft of service, only with my unprofessionalism? That's rich... its a laugh riot. Ta-ra-ra-goon-de-yay. I admit I am unprofessional. I work from home while in my underwear. Now will you please go ahead and admit you're a thief?

I don't have any intention of hurting your business. I don't even know what game you're talking about. I thought you were going to start a bitcoin-related business in Korea which of course I would have no effect on. Not my intention. My only intention is to let the community know about your theft of my service. I think anyone who cares to know (which has got to be miniscule) does know now and probably most won't give a flying hoot. However it was my only recourse once I determined I wouldn't receive payment.

Once you pay for those services I'm happy to post that you paid, and to post what an ingrate and louse I am for assuming you could be anything other than saintly, but we all know that ain't happening. So at this point it remains that you are a thief. If that somehow has an impact on your game there's really only you to blame, though of course its not my intention that anyone would draw a parallel between your actions and your game or web site or whatever other business you may have.



Is it drivel? *sigh* I was hoping I was coming across in an exciting literary fashion.
No one will ever know your intentions. Personally I think in the beginning maybe some part of you was hoping to pay. Your previous posts in the forum seem likable enough to me. But I wonder if when I asked for 1BTC instead of your offered .01BTC (yes you were so interested in fairness that you offered 12 cents for the project) I think it maybe slowly morphed into just not getting around to paying, and then, oh well, what's he gonna do if I NEVER pay?

But no one will know aside from you what your original intentions were. Thankfully in the end it doesn't matter. Bitmole thieved services from me.

When you take an agreement seriously that means you live up to it. You didn't fulfill your end and so by definition you didn't take it seriously, which has now created another lie on your part. You also did not by any means "do everything I can to get it to you asap" because there exists an exchange where one can simply buy 1BTC and send it to someone else. Yet another lie. SO many... is that 4? I've lost count.


I gave you a few days after delivery then asked when you intended to pay, since "a wee bit" was turning into "days". You told me to simply wait. Whether you feel inclined to believe it or not, that's not how business works. Since that was contrary to our agreement of "payment on completion" I decided to wait another few days to see if you'd pay and then let the community know what you were up to.

There was a timeline. Payment on completion. Libel implies I'm not being honest. I'm simply telling the community the truth about our agreement. If you pay I will also tell them that. The merit of your character is totally in your hands. In addition you'll make me look like a fool if you pay, like a whining baby that was wrong about you. All of this is within your control. And yes whenever anyone in my industry runs into a no-pay (or even slow-pay) client we tell each other so none of us does business with that person again, or is at least aware of what we're dealing with.


I apologize. You are correct that I am self-absorbed. It's a flaw of mine.

In this case, after you came back for changes to the art, I was trying to let you know that my rate is normally $85/hr so for your 1BTC (@$12) payment I wouldn't be able to put endless hours into changes to the art. I was basically taking the job at a loss so I could experiment with providing my service for BTC to see if it was something viable for my company.

While you are correct that I have more learning to do, at the same time I've been providing web development services since 1995 and have learned a thing or two, such as when to cut one's losses. I didn't lose a client so much as experimented with BTC and got scammed for $12 - not much risk to have had the experience I was looking for and was pretty much assuming would happen. The lesson you feel you've taught me is really only serving to make you comfortable with your own theft. In "the real world" of course I don't start a project without a deposit, and it ain't for $12.

After the week of non-payment I decided I was done with my experiment. BTC is about privacy for some and immediacy for others. I give you a quick turnaround on a project, so I expect quick turnaround on payment (however long the BTC takes to process). I'm not going to sit around and wait for you to pay when you're good and ready. We had an agreement, you broke it.

What "move toward payment" was there? I didn't see any. All I saw was a request to just wait and you'd eventually pay. Seriously, you've heard of Mt Gox? Or TradeHill? Or you could have tried to contact someone on the forum for a personal transaction and pointed me to the thread so I could see you were actually making effort?


And so it comes to the conclusion it always does with scammers and/or folks that just don't enjoy a concept of right and wrong. You stole fizzy lifting drinks, and now the ceiling has to be washed and scrubbed so you get NOTHING... wait, that was Willy Wonka. What I meant to say was you either never intended to pay, or can't/won't/don't come up with the money to fulfill your end of the agreement then find a way to be offended enough to not pay at all. It's no different from stealing material goods.

No I have not PMed him. I gave him a few days before posting.

Not sure what good it would do me to bother letting him know. He's well aware he owes me, agreed to pay on delivery and now tells me I need to wait until he gets around to it (if indeed he ever does). He lied when he requested service to be paid on delivery when he never had BTC to begin with. He lied when he asked me to wait claiming his BTC "was on another machine" - he never had any. Now he's telling me that 1BTC really isn't worth much so it can't be affecting me to have wait until he feels like getting around to paying. This is him beginning to convince himself he doesn't ever have to pay (if he ever really intended to pay at all).

I'll agree 1BTC isn't much and obviously the point is no longer about the payment itself. I have no recourse but to let the forum know Bitmole scammed me.

New iMac 10.6.8 with Radeon 6970 is freezing (and/or kernel panic) 5-10 minutes after mining begins. Running Diablo miner. Terminal begins giving repeated "possible driver or hardware issue" failures after a few minutes and then the freeze after 5-10 minutes. Could this possibly be generating enough heat in 5 minutes to cause a problem? It doesn't seem all that hot to me.

Is there a modifier when I launch that will keep the GPU at a certain percentage usage so I can see if there's an acceptable percentage that will allow sustained mining?

[Dispute resolved and sunshine and beams and all that]

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[a resolution has been reached with Bitmole -- links removed]

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