Sometimes it's quite ironic that many of those who came early because they saw something in Bitcoin were also those who sell early probably because their sense of foresight proved to be shortsighted. It is. But I doubt anyone (not even Satoshi) could have imagined that bitcoin would be worth thousands of dollars one day back in the days when it was still trading for a few bucks. The network's features, the way the blockchain works, and the problems it was set out to solve are just one side of the coin. Those things were there when bitcoin was worth $6, just like they were there when it exploded to $60.000. The speculative price or the " premium on top", like franky likes to call it, is not something that can be predicted. Yeah, those speculative prices are probably beyond prediction. But aren't those also somehow implied very early on when Satoshi himself/herself/themselves, for example, acknowledged the possibility that Bitcoin could get really "huge" and that "6.8 billion people" would only be sharing a maximum of 21 millions coins? Or when Satoshi somehow advised to "get some in case it catches on?" Or perhaps when Hal somehow imagined the possibility that each coin could reach as high as $10 million? I mean, would you be selling or abandon or forget your coins if you already saw Bitcoin's potential right from the start? Or even probably shared Satoshi or Hal's vision of Bitcoin's potential scenario in the future? Or perhaps those who came early had doubts of Bitcoin's future that they're very much willing to dump their coins as soon as the price hit half a dollar each? Or perhaps some of them, though running Bitcoin, aren't really serious or didn't really see the potential of Bitcoin that they didn't care about their coins. It's funny because I read a few times it really doesn't matter too much who Satoshi actually is. Bitcoin is out there now and it already has had an impact on society and economy and will continue to do so even more in the next decade. However, this is one of the super interesting thoughts, what does he think now, what did he think when he created it. If he is indeed the kind of genious that he has been praised to be, I agree and he probably saw the potential for BTC to reach 1M per coin or even more. So, if that is the case, and if he was mostly ideologically driven, not monetarily, it would also make sense to abandon / not touch his coins, keys for so long. Maybe he even destroyed his priv keys on purpose. |
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I have read your comments in the posts above and will respond here.
- I still assume that the BTC-logo fell into the hands of the cookie designer by accident, and not because he is a desperate crypto enthusiast or it was so conceived by the prudent marketing manager of the confectionery.
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Why not - I think there are already slightly more Bitcoin enthusiats around than we may think. - Placing the B on some cookies, why is that "desperate"? It happened to me a few times recently, casually talking about this and that with people I barely knew and to my suprise they were kinda well educated on Bitcoin. Just regular, normal people, working normal jobs. Very happy to see things like this, the combination of these "events" could be a sign for a slow but steady mass-adaption coming. Still funny, that a cookie sparks these thoughts, maybe I am in too deep at this point to think objectively. lol |
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Titan sold, Squirrelpics added.
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Oh, forgot about these. Please reserve a #4 set, if available serial 66, otherwise random! For anyone looking for a full collection, I am offering a serial 55 set of silvercoins #1, #2 and #3 here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434853.msg61621116#msg61621116(hope it's okay to post in this thread - maybe encourages someone to get a full collection including the copper coins here). |
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Hi folks, Does anyone have/use any BTC address tracker app? The one suggested for android is crashing all the time for some reason. Thanks for helpers  QB Strange that sentinel crashes, didn't have any issues so far. That being said, the options in the app are very limited, wish it was more advanced. Use Mycelium wallet. It also allows view only key import and works as well as Sentinel on Android for me. Oh nice, gonna try this later! |
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And we are full.
Rolling with 772749
30 minutes with no block, guess we broke BTC
e- ChiBitCTy is the winner.
PM me your address I'll get it out to you tomorrow.
-Dave
Awesome!  This chap deserves all the silver! Thanks for the raffle and may the power of John Wick be with everyone. Good night for now. |
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#3 for me, rest is on me, anyone that got some positive trading history or copper member can have a slot.
Payment coming right up.
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Updated OP with pics and address.
Also WTS:
- HODL 0.0025 BTC 1oz bar gilted, 81/200
- Squirrelbits Happy 2022 coin, 6/21 (I also got #21 - want to keep ONE of these, don't care too much which number)
- BYOB set #55 - 3x 1oz coin set, 2x DIY incl holos + 1x funded 0.02009 BTC
- Phrasekeeper COPPER seedphrase plate
- Lealana 5 XMR (funded)
Pics for these coming up soon.
PM offers. Thanks.
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50/81 for sale, how did you come up with the number 81?
Sent you a PM. Please also re-check my previous PMs. Thanks.
Hi my friend ! i hope you're doing well ! Sorry my mistake, it's 84, 84 for 84,000,000 who is the max supply of LTC  just answered to your PM ! Hi. Nope. NO message from you anywhere to be seen. Ah I see, 84 makes sense then. Hi again my friend ! that's weird, i just resend the message to you ! Yes make more sense Thanks, got your message now. The reason why this can happen: You click send, but the message is not sent IF the message-window was left open for too long. It is a kind of session time-out. |
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[...] One thing with the chainz site, is that someone pointed out to me recently that sometimes is seems as though it rounds up the amount in the address... Think the one they pointed out the load was 0.025xxxx and it showed as 0.030xxxx Hopefully that person sees this post and remembers...  Indeed rounding seems to happen on mobile devices. Probably a tiny bug. Unfortunatelly, if the amount is 0.0005 it will round to 0.001 - which is an error of +100%. I think things get rounded to 4 digits. So MJ's example was probably "0.0 025xxxx and it showed as 0.0 030xxxx"  However, the full (real) amount can still be seen on the bottom of the page. Yeah MJ. I was informing you of that glitch when you had a .0025 loaded squirrel that was showing .003 load when you clicked on the link. Same round-up occurred on desktop as well. That's very strange, it does display fine on my desktop but not on mobile (both in firefox and chrome). Guys, is there another way to monitor the addresses.. I have more than 150 micro loaded coins. I do verify the funding when I receive the coins but any good way to export the whole list together anywhere?
Yeah, that would be nice. I just spend... *some time* to copy-paste + scan + firstbitting a lot of mini-loaded stuff. A semi-comfortable way is to copy from lists, if they exist. Still needs to be done one at a time. But much faster than fist-bitting.  |
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[...] One thing with the chainz site, is that someone pointed out to me recently that sometimes is seems as though it rounds up the amount in the address... Think the one they pointed out the load was 0.025xxxx and it showed as 0.030xxxx Hopefully that person sees this post and remembers... Indeed rounding seems to happen on mobile devices. Probably a tiny bug. Unfortunatelly, if the amount is 0.0005 it will round to 0.001 - which is an error of +100%. I think things get rounded to 4 digits. So MJ's example was probably "0.0 025xxxx and it showed as 0.0 030xxxx" However, the full (real) amount can still be seen on the bottom of the page. |
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There is also a "Helpful Resources" part in my coldkey-scam summary: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg61612749#msg61612749Including links to wallet-apps that provide address observation. if you go to mempool.space and start typing the firstbits - it will show you all addresses that match each value you enter, as you enter more characters the list shrinks accordingly. Thanks Mopar - I did not know this I'd recommend switching to chainz. With walletexplorer, sometimes (rarely) it is unable to find the full address by firstbits - MJ recommended chainz to me and it works perfectly. Also, a big plus: you can find firstbits for almost any shitaltcoin, too. Mempool.space is new to me for firstbits but seems to be working great for Bitcoin. |
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50/81 for sale, how did you come up with the number 81?
Sent you a PM. Please also re-check my previous PMs. Thanks.
Hi my friend ! i hope you're doing well ! Sorry my mistake, it's 84, 84 for 84,000,000 who is the max supply of LTC just answered to your PM ! Hi. Nope. NO message from you anywhere to be seen. Ah I see, 84 makes sense then. |
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One of the most common and easy ways to profit in crypto industry is to promote affiliate links to online platforms such as casinos, exchanges and micro earnings websites. Probably most of us have already done it in the past, or still do this during the present moment.
However, what if you had the reach of 1 million subscribers? Millions of views? And if you endorsed a platform to all those people which turned into scam?
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What do you think about these people? Do they have any responsabilities when promoting companies which turned into scam? Should they be held accountable for that? Is it right to profit over your audience's losses? And is there more responsability involved when it's an influent person promoting affiliate links, instead of random crypto enthusiasts sharing their links in social medias?
All I can say is, it was very interesting to see the different ways people that promoted FTX dealt with its implosion a few months back. It is as you would expect: The whole spectrum from not-even-mentioning a thing to their subscribers, via blaming FTX and SBF but instantly continuing with other promotions to the very rare "I will not promote any CEX from now on" reaction. That being said, yes, if you promote something and create any kind of revenue from it, you have at least the responsibility to check if it is not an OBVIOUS scam / ponzi etc. And as soon as you get any info that things could be shady it is also your responsibility to immediately stop the promotion and inform your viewers/listeners etc. If you do your due dilligence before accepting a promo-partner you'd probably need to rule out 95%+ of potential partners in crypto space from the start on. You will probably lose some of the most lucrative deals. Which is why too many influencers and youtubers don't do exactly that. |
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Both addresses that were swept to (` 3BBNmksdPw63ghuNEeFsfPkwXaiqYJH9e7` and ` 3BZDT1rhf7vnabzASuiLzDBBbgDfHivdRd`) are now confirmed HitBTC addresses, as both were transferred to the HitBTC cold wallet. Looks like Yogg is going to cash it out/has actually sold it.
I've messaged their legal team, which probably won't help, but it should at least get his account shutdown. Feel free to contact them as well. The more the better IMO. Well, there goes the narrative that he was a degenerate gambler. He's just a plain old run of the mill scammer that made a bunch of fake friends to rugpull them with his collectible. Otherwise, he would at least contribute whatever is left to his "friends" aka victims. I would find it troublesome if HitBTC was willing to act upon random emails, but maybe in this case there is enough evidence for them to do something. Likely not, but I applaud your efforts for trying and would encourage others to do the same. Providing pics and as much information as you can will likely help make it seem more real for them also. Nice investigative work. I hope some of the stolen funds are able to be recovered. It would be a small victory, but a victory nonetheless. HitBtc is run bye the Bytecoin scammers so don't expect anything from them. I heard a handful of *very* bad stories from people in crypto space that I trust regarding Hit-BTC. Beware! Quick info: I updated and moved my scam-summary: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg61612749#msg61612749I'll try to update / edit as good as possible when new / more things come to light. Despite that will probably try to be a littles less involved in the topic for now - it was kinda soul-draining over the last few days. (and I wasn't even close to Yogg and didn't own too many ck cards). |
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Jfyi: I updated and moved my scam-summary: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg61612749#msg61612749I'll try to update / edit as good as possible when new / more things come to light. Despite that will probably try to be a littles less involved in the topic for now - it was kinda soul-draining over the last few days. PS: I discovered one more of my CK cards was not funded from the start on (also a history 2020-2 card). |
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Coldkey Scam Reference NOTE: THIS IS MY ATTEMPT TO BRING SOME STRUCTURE INTO THE CHAOS CAUSED BY YOGG AND HIS SWEEP-SCAM.
THIS POST IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION but mostly done for nowApproximate Timeline- prior to the sweep: unfunded cards, loans from various folks, website down, massive delay in delivering cards, attempt to give away responsibility by giving CEO position to cygan: in retro looks like a clear forshadowing of the sweep-scam* 1- Jan 12, 2023, 11:22:00 AM (UTC/ New York Time +5): First Sweeps Appear on the Blockchain - Link (Transaction)- Jan 12, 2023, 02:59:50 PM (UTC/ New York Time +5): First shoutout by YodasRedRocket <3 about sweeps on some of the halving coldkey cards detected. - Link (Forum)- Jan 13, 2023, 01:03:49 AM (UTC/ New York Time +5): Background info of what "happened" coming from a phone call with yogg by owlcatz. Link (Forum)- Jan 13, 2023, 09:07:31 AM (UTC/ New York Time +5): More background info directly from yogg, posted by Mopar. - Link (Forum)- Jan 15, 2023, 00:20:20 AM (UTC/ New York Time +5): Even more info on conversations with yogg after the theft occured (by Owl). - Link (Forum)- Jan 17, 2023, 05:06:10 AM (UTC/ New York Time +5): More info from owl (direct + indirect contact with yogg). - Link (Forum)- April 3rd, 2023: Scumboy sweeps Playtoshis, phone calls Xprim prior to his latest crime. More info here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447391.0- GENERAL: More info on the timeline of swept funds by LoyceV*1: Please note, all this data was never in one place. People giving loans were not aware that other loans were already given but not paid back to Yogg.
The unfunded cards were never noticed. Yogg time and time again made excuses for deliver-delays. The website shutdown was supposed to only last a short time.
Only after the sweeping of funds happend on Jan 12, people started bringing the pieces together, slowly uncovering the full extend of the situation.
Confirmed Lossesa) List of affected addresses:- Silver Halving Coldkeys swept: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/c073634c862353b7a90303d52806defba55cac63a86762213fcb949b74a5573b- Raffle Funds Stolen: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/bc1qr88xt0jurmpvv93l66zquk5srkqntpva9ug5m4- Some (?) Gold Halving Coldkeys swept: Reference 1 & Reference 2b) List of Unfunded Coldkey Cards*²:- some historic RYR cards- History 2021-03 #15- 1x History 3 card set: 2021.2- History 2020-2 #31- CK history Oct 2019 #8- 4 cards [?] (more info needed to confirm)- more tba ? *²: some cards' funding had to be triggered via the website - which is now unavailable. - I believe that some cards were never funded BEFORE this new web-funding-mechanism was implemented.
However, since the webpage coldkey.eu is now unavailable, this part is at least on the same level of a SCAM as Titan mint (no access for 2FA coins).
c) Other Losses:- loans that should have been returned long time ago (to Mopar, Polymerbit, Agrawas, DarkStar, Becassine and possibly others) - Ref 1, Ref 2, Ref 3: loan address- 1 year+ uncompleted orders of coldkeys - almost complete loss for all PREMIUMS paid for coldkeys / collectible value is in the bin now - more tba ? List of *never delivered* keys (note - this is just a tiny excerpt from *one* person) Coldkey Genesis Edition anon
cold key 10th ann polymerbit design
History coldkey May(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkeys June(funded Euro 50 )
Coldkey Crypto Bond ltd set of 3
History Coldkey February 2021(Funded Euro 50)
History Coldkey March 2021(Buyer Funded)
History Raffle Series 1 ticket
List of *never funded* keys (note - this is just a tiny excerpt from *one* person) Cold key 0.001
cold key 0.005
cold key 0.01
History cold keys ltd to 64 January(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkey February(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkey March(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkey April(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkey July(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkey August(funded Euro 50 )
History coldkey September(funded Euro 50 )
Halving Coldkey 0.00625 x 2 set Copper 65-128
Community efforts To Compensate People Affected by The Scam- Offer by former CEO cygan to refund victims of the scam (see also this post) - Polymerbit Offering Voucher OR Replacement For 10 Year Note- A4 Print for DAEMON historic cold key owners- Smoothie organizing a Charity Auction with the support of the Community <3- raritycheck offering 25 of his silver coins to victimsMisc Discussions- Check your Cryptobonds cards with help from Krogoth- Stop Creating Maker-Funded Collectibles? by DaveF- Krogoth's Personal Losses- Total Value of *just the history coldkeys* (full set) by jcga- multi-sig as possible solution to prevent scams in the future?- Community Opportunity by Est- Technical Guide to Multi-Sig for Collectible MakersHelpful Resources- Samurai Sentinel: Public Address Tracker (Android)- Satpile: Public Address Tracker (iOS)- How to Import/Sweep Private-Keys with Coinomi wallet- How to Import/Sweep Private-Keys with Ballet wallet- Broadcast Cryptobond Transaction (from the mega-big QR)- Check your Firstbits- When you choose a wallet (for example to sweep a private key) check its integrity here: https://walletscrutiny.com/Publicly Known Address-Lists For Coldkeys- First Loaded ColdkeysImportant Info- all coldkeys' private keys are potentially compromised -> It is strongly recommended that you sweep your coins into a secure wallet that only you can access -> To do so you can use a veriety of wallets, for example: Mycelium, Coinomi (for smartphones), Electrum (desktop), Balletwallet and more Personal observations
Despite the monetary losses including loans, raffle-funds, sweeped cards, never-funded-cards and the huge amount of premiums that coldkey-collectors suffered from, this event has left some scars.
Yogg was once regarded as a highly trusted, friendly, tech-savy, innovative maker and innovator in the collectible space. His exit scam came as shock to many in the collectible community and especially those once close to him.tldr: Overview of all info known so far regarding the exit-scam performed by Yogg on his Coldkey project.Moved from here
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