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881  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2019, 08:56:47 AM

8k+ rejected.

Back to 6k for re-charge.
882  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 11:23:29 PM
I would think, however, that such derivative bitcoins would be limited in number (maybe 3-10 times more, but not 100-1000 times more).

Have a look at the BTC trading volume on coinmarketcap and compare it with the blockchain movements for the day. You might get a fright. BTC denominated off-chain trades in derivative bitcoin will probably outnumber actual BTC by hundreds of thousands if not millions.
883  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 11:11:14 PM

That was some dump.
884  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 11:06:38 PM
If you throw in a century of economic growth then 9 digits could be plausible as well as follows:

Suppose Bitcoin absorbs 10% of M2 and the M2 growth rate of roughly 4% persists for a century.

That would imply 1.04^100 = 50.5x growth over 100 years.

That would bring the 10% estimate from 3m per Bitcoin to 151.5m per Bitcoin 100 years from now.


These kind of valuations are highly flawed. If bitcoin ever absorbed even a fraction of "M2" growth it would be largely as a pure unit of account, not a store of value. In other words you'd (by definition of M2) be talking about BTC denominated bank deposit accounts and money market funds and all kinds of other fractional reserve derivatives.

Use of bitcoin as a unit of account is something hodlers tend to ignore. If bitcoin ever became a currency we would not be exchanging actual bitcoins, but bitcoin denominated credit just as we use arbitrary units of credit today. So you can't just divide random incumbent money supply figures by 21 million to get a price for a future BTC. Since it's limited in supply it's an asset and will always be an asset.

If you denominate, say, UK GDP in bitcoin then it's around 0.3 Trillion BTC. The GDP can be 0.3 Trillion BTC even though there are not that many bitcoins in existence.


Maybe flawed, but only partially. If bonds are issued, then this is not a unit of account, but an actual asset that contributes to the overall size of assets, is it not?
Bond market in US is 82tril, global-above 100 tril.
I can redeem a bond and get currency/cash.

Analogy: water in the lake is still a part of water present on planet earth.

In theory it works like that but in practice it doesn't. Even in the Bretton Woods system there was a "notional" convertibility to gold. But there was still far more currency in circulation than there was gold in existence. The value of gold was simply pegged to a multiple of the dollar ($30 I think).

Lets say you had 1 bitcoin and you issued a bitcoin backed bond. You now have 2 effective bitcoins in circulation - the real one and the bond. The original doesn't cease to exist just because it's backing a bond. Similarly, crypto exchanges inflate the bitcoin money supply. We deposit our bitcoin on exchanges and they create these "synthetic" bitcoins for us to trade. Meanwhile the deposited BTC are still in circulation on the blockchain.

People tend to think that they're "locked away" and out of circulation, but they're not. The new synthetic ones are added to the supply. The exchange can do what they want with the deposits - it just depends on the contractural terms.

So the "21 million" limit is not really a limit. The bitcoin supply can be expanded in an unlimited way and will be simply through its use as a pure unit of account, same as any other asset.
885  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 10:40:12 PM
If you throw in a century of economic growth then 9 digits could be plausible as well as follows:

Suppose Bitcoin absorbs 10% of M2 and the M2 growth rate of roughly 4% persists for a century.

That would imply 1.04^100 = 50.5x growth over 100 years.

That would bring the 10% estimate from 3m per Bitcoin to 151.5m per Bitcoin 100 years from now.


These kind of valuations are highly flawed. If bitcoin ever absorbed even a fraction of "M2" growth it would be largely as a pure unit of account, not a store of value. In other words you'd (by definition of M2) be talking about BTC denominated bank deposit accounts and money market funds and all kinds of other fractional reserve derivatives.

Use of bitcoin as a unit of account is something hodlers tend to ignore. If bitcoin ever became a currency we would not be exchanging actual bitcoins, but bitcoin denominated credit just as we use arbitrary units of credit today. So you can't just divide random incumbent money supply figures by 21 million to get a price for a future BTC. Since it's limited in supply it's an asset and will always be an asset.

If you denominate, say, UK GDP in bitcoin then it's around 0.3 Trillion BTC. The GDP can be 0.3 Trillion BTC even though there are not that many bitcoins in existence.
886  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 09:37:34 PM

122 BTC wall on stamp, usually takes hours to chew through. Massacred in 3 seconds. Only the 1-minute chart will do at times like this.

The problem seems to be too much demand and not enough bitcoin.

Read this.
887  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 03:27:13 PM

Bitconifer moving in units of 1k now.
888  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 01:43:59 PM

No one promised $100k BTC before 2021.  Only thing that can set us back a year is a new financial crisis.  And that can actually happen in the next 2 years.  But on the long run Bitcoin need a new financial crisis, whenever it will happen, to strengthen itself.

According to ZH we should thank "Trump and the Trade War". (And the button pressers at Tether for printing tons of fake money and using it to pump bitcoin).

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/why-bitcoin-soaring-thank-trump-and-trade-war
889  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 01:33:08 PM

Your a fucking troll

You wanted to believe in the eBay stuff ?
890  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 01:27:58 PM

Tether = central bank of crypto. If you want to pump bitcoin and happen to be the person in control of the "create unbacked tether out of nothing" toolbar button then you can have as much bitcoin as you want without worrying about the price.

Then dump it for "real" $USD.

You troll

Why ?
891  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 01:25:44 PM

Tether-fuelled pump & dump........."because we can Wink "
892  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 01:16:01 PM

Tether = central bank of crypto. If you want to pump bitcoin and happen to be the person in control of the "create unbacked tether out of nothing" toolbar button then you can have as much bitcoin as you want without worrying about the price.

Then dump it for "real" $USD.
893  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 01:08:28 PM
What eBay tweet? What am I missing out on? IM FOMOING NOWĄ

Somebody took a picture of that eBay advert and turned it into a rumour that eBay were going to be accepting crypto for payment. It's garbage.
894  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 12:30:50 PM

I think that just means you can buy and sell virtual currency stuff on eBay which has always been the case.
895  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
I saw breaking news today that Ebay accepting crypto.

- No Joke -

It wasn't "news". It was a random tweet with a picture of a bunch of boxes.
896  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 11:40:26 AM

Action to the upside or downside within the next few hours



I think we already bust out of your little triangle. The problem is that there is too much demand and not enough bitcoins. But if the eBay tweet turns out to be fake then expect there to be too much bitcoins and not enough demand.


897  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2019, 11:30:59 AM

Taking off again.
898  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 12, 2019, 08:56:58 PM


899  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 12, 2019, 08:41:54 PM

Maybe the BTC rise is the bow wave of a financial crisis.

Tom Luongo and David Stockman were discussing it today.

Maybe there's no "4 year BTC cycle" this time and it will be blown to Kingdom Come by a financial crisis brought on by a ceasing up of world trade, deflation in the credit system causing cratering defaults here and there, stock market tops, emerging market currency hyperinflation and Western sovereign bond meltdowns.
900  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 12, 2019, 12:22:32 AM

So one guy commented on Facebook that this is a fake pump. No new money coming in, its just Tether floating around. Since I really don´t follow or read anything regards crypto, is that true what he is saying? I mean almost every bullrun was somehow faked.

See...



Also...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAOX7Hcdrag&feature=youtu.be&t=192
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