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8881  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: January 23, 2018, 08:00:30 PM
You’re not inspiring confidence! What do you make of the recent and recurrent pounding in cryptos?

I don't give a shit about anything short term.
8882  Economy / Speculation / Re: The target of bitcoin lays between 40k and 100k USD on: January 23, 2018, 07:25:27 PM
40 grand is only a doubling of the all time high. Yes it's possible. Interest will have to swell that much more and exchanges would have to up their game and reopen to newcomers for it to happen. If everything falls off a cliff before then then I expect there'll be some action around the next halving in mid 2020.
8883  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs on: January 23, 2018, 06:20:11 PM
I wonder what they will rate nem as. This report may drive the market for the short term.

It's not fully open source and the exchange and volume situation is weedy compared to all the other top coins. I think these will count pretty heavily against it.

However compared to a lot of the other shit in the top 20 it has other strengths.
8884  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ratings agencies soon to release crypto ratings. on: January 22, 2018, 09:00:36 PM
Are cryptos other than BTC in the futures market yet? This whole futures market thing will take a huge dump on cryptos in general with the ability to SHORT they bring along.

Nope. Which is odd because at certain points ETH has had higher volume than BTC. I assume they'll get around to it eventually. I'm still waiting to see if this introduces a two speed crypto market where people actively avoid coins with futures.
8885  Economy / Speculation / Re: This is the way on: January 22, 2018, 08:55:36 PM
HODL works until it doesn't work and then you're screwed.

Says everyone who day traded and completely fucked it up.

100 years is pushing it. 2-3 isn't. If everything goes up in smoke around now 2020 is likely to be a rather attractive year.
8886  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin now makes me feel a bit worried. on: January 22, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
I presume you entered this knowing you might have to wait several years before you were in the black again? That was the case for anyone who got in in late 2013. Sucky but a fact.
8887  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ratings agencies soon to release crypto ratings. on: January 22, 2018, 07:44:22 PM
This is a relic of the traditional finance sector, after all, so why not take a cheap shot at the truly distributed, permissionless coins and lavish praise on the private, walled-gardens? It's entirely plausible they could blow their metaphorical load over the centralised crapcoins like Ripple and Stellar and rate everything else poorly.  I guess we'll find out Wednesday.  

I would hope that they were bright enough to figure out that the properly decentralised coins have their value primarily because of that decentralisation. Similarly for better or worse certain banks and institutions will actively want something centralised.

I guess ultimately it's not intended for people already down the rabbit hole, but I do wonder if it'll actually help the clueless.
8888  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: if central bank release cryptocurrency, any effect on current market? on: January 22, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
It would make the case for BTC 10 times more compelling. A currency directly controlled by the central bank would be an Orwellian nightmare. They'd have absolute control over every aspect of everything. The current setup can be influenced but it's a ragged mess of companies and routes. With their own crypto they could do anything with the press of their big red button.
8889  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ratings agencies soon to release crypto ratings. on: January 22, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/01/19/weiss-ratings-starts-grading-cryptocurrencies.html

More from the man himself. There are going to be four metrics. Potential upside, downside, technology and fundamentals. He rates the latter as the most important which involves adoption and security.
8890  Economy / Speculation / Re: Where is the bottom for BTC? 10K or 8K? on: January 22, 2018, 03:11:03 PM
Eight grand seems to be a common figure being bandied about. The more common a figure is the less likely it is to be correct. Either we never brush it and stay above, or it goes way, way below it.
8891  Economy / Speculation / Re: South Korean Gov massive tax hit - Monday Jan 22, 2018 on: January 22, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
So they're going to be taxed pretty much like everywhere else. Oh the humanity.

I can't believe a professionally run country has been so stunningly slack as South Korea. No regulations, no tax outlines, no preparations at all until their back is fully against the wall. Pathetic.
8892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Question for all on: January 22, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
If it is money and sent the wrong account, there is a rule that the bank cannot withdraw the money, and the wrongdoer cannot sue the recipient.

Nope.

In almost all cases the person who receives the money mistakenly and spends it is prosecuted for knowingly spending money that isn't theirs.

Of course with crypto this may not apply but it certainly does with banks.
8893  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 22, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
Roached....

Incredible how potent bitterness and self delusion is. This geezer may have a point, I don't really care, but he must've put in thousands of hours by now to justify that one action to himself.
8894  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Question for all on: January 22, 2018, 02:31:44 AM
Straight back. No questions asked and no question about it. There's no way i'm denying someone else their money.

In most jurisdictions it's also regarded as theft the moment you start to spend it. Check out all the chumps who get their bank accounts filled by mistake and go on a spending spree. They all get nailed.

The chances are most of your addresses are linkable to your ID somewhere unless you're hot on your opsec.
8895  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-22] Cryptocurrency Markets Aren't All the Same on: January 22, 2018, 02:14:28 AM
We might soon see Bitcoin in a different category from Ethereum, and the 2 might not be considered as competitors anymore.

They never have been at heart, but in reality they're all outrageously speculative so they're in competition for pumper funds and not much else.

Something like this is definitely a positive move. If most people are too stupid to figure out that most of these coins aren't competition, then someone with a little more of a clue needs to segregate the markets for them.
8896  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Guru says $5k Bitcoin about to hit on: January 22, 2018, 01:26:15 AM
Why does he call everyone "moron" on Twitter? He seems insecure.

This is the burden of true genius. When you have to deal with lesser humans who can't see the entire future laid out in front of them like he can (for a modest fee and no salesman will call) it must be desperately tiresome.
8897  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Guru says $5k Bitcoin about to hit on: January 22, 2018, 01:07:21 AM
I have never heard of this 'guru'. I don't really believe he's worth $100 a month or whatever either. Could he be right? Quite possibly. So could my arse be. You're welcome to pay me $100 a month to watch a live stream of my arse and its predictions.
8898  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ratings agencies soon to release crypto ratings. on: January 22, 2018, 12:51:17 AM
(especially if the data points they are working off can be manipulated).

I'm wondering where they're going to find data points for the coins that are nothing other than a white paper and an impressive barrage of outrageously spun PR.

8899  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ratings agencies soon to release crypto ratings. on: January 22, 2018, 12:13:23 AM
Rating agencies are nothing but frauds / silly. just look at how they f up everything in 2008

Indeed they are, but they DID manage to fuck things up which means that they must have a certain amount of importance in the eyes of sections of the markets.

I'm wondering whether this market cares in the slightest what they think. I assume they went through most of them shaking their head in pure disgust.
8900  Economy / Speculation / Ratings agencies soon to release crypto ratings. on: January 21, 2018, 11:43:38 PM
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/two-new-services-could-help-investors-rate-cryptocurrencies/

So next week Weiss, an independent ratings agency, releases ratings on multiple coins. They're saying each rating is based on thousands of data points. As they're rating vapourware like Cardano and Tron I have no idea how this is going to work.

Will this deeply move the market and yourself? Will anyone give a shit?
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