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8921  Other / Politics & Society / Re: who inspires you? on: May 22, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
Me.
8922  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Alpha] Killer App for Bitcoin? BitPools - Vote with your bitcoins on: May 22, 2013, 10:06:50 PM
As far as money transmission, since I will not be dealing in government money I will not need to be licensed. Bitcoins can be moved by anyone (every Bitcoin node on the network moves bitcoins).

I'm afraid that's not the state of the law.  Under federal regulations, and speaking only generally, a business who transmits currency (fiat or virtual) is a money transmitter.  From the recent FinCEN guidance that everyone is talking about:

FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means".... The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies. Accepting and transmitting anything of value that substitutes for currency makes a person a money transmitter under the regulations implementing the BSA.

Nonetheless, it looks from your description that you won't be doing that at all; some other business will be doing it for you.  Your company only sets up the voting pool - you don't actually handle the bitcoin right?

This has been discussed thoroughly at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154672.180
The fact that they refer to currency refers to government currency (This is a limitation of 31 USC § 5312 (a)(3)). Value that substitutes for currency would be other "monetary instruments" that they are allowed to regulate under section 5311 et seq: travelers’ checks, bearer negotiable instruments, bearer investment securities, bearer securities, stock on which title is passed on delivery, and similar material. Bitcoin comes into play when discussing "virtual currency".

Basically it says that FinCEN comes into play if you are dealing with government currency. I made sure to check on this when the guidance first came out.
8923  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Alpha] Killer App for Bitcoin? BitPools - Vote with your bitcoins on: May 22, 2013, 08:59:14 PM
This sounds like a great idea.  You know what they say, though: functionality is the best marketing.  I'm interested to see how you implement this plan.

I see you've read up on how to avoid money transmission registration: make someone else handle the money.  But who will you be using to hold and move the BTC?  I'm not aware of any currently licensed entity that has the capability of handling BTC.

I agree, I have programmers working on the front end but have been testing the back end with API calls. I hope to open up for Beta testing in 2 weeks.

As far as money transmission, since I will not be dealing in government money I will not need to be licensed. Bitcoins can be moved by anyone (every Bitcoin node on the network moves bitcoins).
8924  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Alpha] Killer App for Bitcoin? BitPools - Vote with your bitcoins on: May 22, 2013, 08:39:52 PM
The website does not work for me... does it use Java?

By not working, do you get anything on the screen? It uses javascript. There should be no functionality of any of the pages yet.


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I could still grab someone else's address and wait until he fills it.

An address does not show up on the blockchain until there is a balance. So you would have to know what address someone may one day use (out of billions of possible addresses).
8925  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do You Know Anyone In Jail? on: May 22, 2013, 06:21:16 AM


But you need machines that cost thousands of dollars so why should we point people to something that would bankrupt them?

There are coins that are merge mined and tradable for BTC that can be CPU mined.
And what if there is a guy that has $10,000 that he would spend on buying coke to sell, but starts up a mining op in a few friends houses when he gets out instead.

Or if he was good he could steal the hardware.
8926  Other / Off-topic / Re: I was offered $550 to say that "Ripple is a Scam." on: May 22, 2013, 05:55:29 AM
This post for sale for 5 BTC.
8927  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Holy Grail! I wish I could kiss the author of Bitmessage on his face. on: May 22, 2013, 02:55:15 AM
Whoa...

so, in theory, you can have a zero balance bank account and whenever you go to buy something you load your debit card with just enough to pay the bill by paying with Bitcoins...correct?

And someone can just write up a program to quickly exchange dollars for bitcoins just for that purpose...

Bitcoin debit card...


Or is there still a delay?
8928  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Church on: May 22, 2013, 02:38:21 AM
Yes.

The Church of Satoshi and Latter Day Coins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=122239.0
8929  Economy / Speculation / Re: For those who still doubt China is a hype on: May 22, 2013, 02:31:34 AM
Curious, are the Chinese articles supporting Bitcoin geared toward Chinese citizens or foreigners? Like with Russia Today.
8930  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is there logic to day trading bitcoin? on: May 22, 2013, 02:22:50 AM
buy low, sell high

This. Repeatedly.
8931  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When was/will be the first bitcoin bribe? on: May 22, 2013, 02:12:05 AM
Well there was the Mitt Romney blackmail thing back in 2012.

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/mitt-romney-blackmailed-for-bitcoins/
8932  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price has flatlined at $120 on: May 22, 2013, 02:08:21 AM
My bots are bored!!

Ya, nobody wants to borrow my BTC to short when the price is not moving.

It may crash any second, borrow at a high interest rate while you still can!
8933  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / How often do you switch back and forth between currencies? on: May 22, 2013, 01:43:40 AM
Outside of Bitcoin, how often do you switch back and forth between currencies?

There is this image portrayed of Bitcoin that involves hopping back and forth between your main currency and Bitcoin.

But how many people hop between currencies in their daily lives outside of professionals that deal with that sort of thing all of the time.

If I had to hop back and forth between the Peso and the dollar I would have many of the same arguments about volatility and the inconvenience of it.

We need to get past the mindset of buying and selling Bitcoin and move toward one time conversion of your old government currency to your new currency, to be held and used on its own.

Do people in Mexico care much about something like this going on weekly?



8934  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 11:45:04 PM

... Satoshi himself mentioned that eventually we'll likely end up with just a few copies of the blockchain in gigantic data centers, with almost everyone running SPV clients that, ...


I'm not necessarily doubting that he said that, but I've never run across it.  Can you provide a pointer?


Satoshi's white paper:
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It is possible to verify payments without running a full network node. A user only needs to keep
a copy of the block headers of the longest proof-of-work chain, which he can get by querying
network nodes until he's convinced he has the longest chain, and obtain the Merkle branch
linking the transaction to the block it's timestamped in. He can't check the transaction for
himself, but by linking it to a place in the chain, he can see that a network node has accepted it,
and blocks added after it further confirm the network has accepted it.

As such, the verification is reliable as long as honest nodes control the network, but is more
vulnerable if the network is overpowered by an attacker. While network nodes can verify
transactions for themselves, the simplified method can be fooled by an attacker's fabricated
transactions for as long as the attacker can continue to overpower the network. One strategy to
protect against this would be to accept alerts from network nodes when they detect an invalid
block, prompting the user's software to download the full block and alerted transactions to
confirm the inconsistency. Businesses that receive frequent payments will probably still want to
run their own nodes for more independent security and quicker verification
.
8935  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Holy Grail! I wish I could kiss the author of Bitmessage on his face. on: May 21, 2013, 10:51:19 PM
Nice, I will have to check more into Bitmessage.

Does it require a client on your machine, or can it be done online?
8936  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What would you do with a distributed escrow system? on: May 21, 2013, 09:56:46 PM
So, say I owned the escrow company and set up a secure platform for each of a bunch of projects.  An external auditor/escrow person could perhaps control my ability to access each vault system (though said person could never access the vaults themselves or at least not with a lot of cooperation with others.)

I like Evorhees's software that allows for both parties to send money to one address (in this case only one party) where a third party has control of which person gets the money but does not have access to the funds.

In an "anarchist" judicial system, two parties choose their "judge" (could be the same judge or two different ones). They present their evidence to that judge/s and the judge decides a verdict. If both judges come to different conclusions, they then move the case up to a random judge that imparts the final verdict.

The same could be done with this system. Some members of the community can present themselves as impartial judges, they would gain credibility for their impartiality. They would be paid a cut of the amount being argued over.
8937  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [Alpha] Killer App for Bitcoin? BitPools - Vote with your bitcoins on: May 21, 2013, 09:31:27 PM
This community could have used this system to get their road fixed and paid for it anonymously. As it is, the city may fine each contributor.

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/SW-Portland-neighbors-repair-street-city-fuming-207540181.html?c=n&fb=y&can=n

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PORTLAND – A group of Southwest Portland residents decided they were tired of neighborhood potholes and hired a contractor to fix the problem. But the city might now charge those residents to bring those unpermitted repairs up to code.
 
Homeowner Peter Samson said that until about seven months ago he could barely even make it into his own driveway because the road in front of his Multnomah Village home—Southwest 37th Avenue–was unimproved.
 
He said driving home was like an off-road adventure. Neighbor Paul Hughes said the gullies created by the potholes channeled water into his home.
 
“It was obvious to all of us the city was never going to do anything on its own,” Hughes said.
 
They told KGW that when they spoke with city officials about the improvements they were told it would cost each homeowner about $20,000.
 
Instead the homeowners decided to take matters into their own hands. Last October they hired a paving company to do the job for only about $1,000 per resident.
 
But just last week they received letters from the City of Portland, stating that because the homeowners and the paving company did not get the proper permits, they are now liable for any run-off, flooding or environmental problems their unauthorized paving may cause.
 
“In this case because it’s a very steep hill, the rainwater and the storm water will run off, and run into a neighbor’s property,” said Diane Dulken of the Portland Bureau of Transportation.
 
Dulken said while the street looks good, a city engineer will still have to see if it meets code. If not, Hughes, Samson and other neighbors will have to pay the price to fix it. That could end up costing more than the original estimate for the permitted work. But homeowners said they are confident the work will be up to code.
8938  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What would you do with a distributed escrow system? on: May 21, 2013, 09:02:06 PM
At Bitcoin 2013 there was a fair bit of talk about the need for a distributed escrow. While it would be a great technical achievement, I didn't hear much talk about how it would actually be used. I have a concept that I am thinking of working on, that could add such functionality. But I am interested in what use-cases you guys envision? What do you think the key use-cases would be?

Recently I was part of a group buy and was thinking of ways to automate things.  This led to the following rough outline:

 - an organization employing a number of escrow agents who's qualifications are advertised.

 - a 'job' would assign one of the escrow agents and he/she would work closely with the client (project owner) to obtain identity information and familiarity with the task.

 - project participants (who cough up funds) would fund individual green addresses which they retain access to.  They could withdraw their support at any time by withdrawing funds (making this an unusual escrow...'youscrow' and 'yescrow' and 'mescrow' domains were taken Smiley  Communications about participation and decisions would be understood by simply evaluating the funding level green addresses.

 - The project owner would propose a funding need by a vote and the results would be weighted in relation to how much funding each participant had.

 - Funding would be obtained from the participants account by a scripted operation.  The escrow agent would evaluate the votes and execute the script to transfer funds.

 - The escrow agent would probably have to obtain cooperation from another escrow agent at the 'office' in order to execute the script.  A reasonable number of escrow agents could execute scripts absent the primary agent (to avoid hit-by-a-bus accidents.)

 - The addresses would probably exist on a very secure system where only script execution was allowed (no logins, for instance.)

 - The entire escrow company would be backed by a bond which was sufficient to cover the costs of accidents to any one of the underway projects (loss of secure machine or some such.)

Such an elaborate setup would probably be overkill except for expensive and complex projects.  The project I had in mind was related to commissioning the development, production, and delivery of a new piece of hardware.  If anyone wants to steal the idea, or parts of it, please do.  I'm much more interested in using such a solution than in working on development of it.

What you describe is similar to my BitPools concept in my signature. I hope to begin testing in about 2 weeks.
8939  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: May 21, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
I give.  Who?

Murderers.
8940  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many btc needed to retire? on: May 21, 2013, 08:53:13 PM
One.
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