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8921  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it a sin to gamble? on: August 25, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
Gambling are forbidden by Muslims and they think it is sinful. But I saw one Muslim(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571457.0) is also a high roller who bet 1000 ETH per bet, maybe he is happy about the profit, but I think his Allah is angry. LOL.



No matter   what religion do you belong its normal for us to commit mistakes because we are just humans by the way but its up on their decision if they obey your  commit such mistake. For me its not a sin if you treat it as an entertainment but if you already risking  all your money and  it compromises your  life and your family then it would  be a very big mistake.
Talking about sin back to the religious rules, but of course everyone has their own opinion but in religion rules it's clearest.
Nobody is perfect, every person makes mistakes, so if you consider whether gambling is a sin or not people still do it. I do gambling, but just for fun not to earning money for life, mostly people do the same. When you get addicted to it and ruin your life, that's why gambling consider as a sin.

You are totally correct, I fully agree with you dude.  Grin  If people gambling for fun, no religion would defines this is a sin, because it is not for money. If they hunter for money, they may lose the family, house, car and so on. Which is a sin, even for non-religion people.

Correct if you treat it as a hobby or entertainment only then  its not a sin, but when you become greedy on playing gambling then its already a sin since greed  is  one of the original sin in the bible and you couldnt deny that thing which is really true that greed  wouldnt do any good  to you.
8922  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: August 25, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
Always save 10% of your money everytime you receive money from a service or your job. It's the easiest one to save money for me and remember to not buy something useless with your money.

We have the same  plan on  partitioning on my money  then save it  for  future purposes its either for investment or in terms of emergencies. Saving could be really helpful when at times of  trouble especially on financial problems. You must obliged yourself to save.
8923  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Grow my Bitcoins. on: August 25, 2016, 12:45:06 PM
I know a new method where you can earn ~30% of your bitcoins in one week. You just need to have bitcoins on your wallet, you don't need to send it, and don't need to invest. I can help you everyone if needed. I will make you profit and then you will pay me 10% of this Smiley

Feel free to ask me, Im helping newbie too!
I can be defined you're promoting a Ponzi via your PM and for you know from your sentences i know if that is just a fakin Ponzi, and you're just wanna for plunges the newbies into your hole.

For sure, he wanted to be pm'ed by someone who got interested, but same as you said it's a ponzi for sure because there's no such investment promises 30% return in 1week which is really huge and only ponzi sites could definitely proposes that such high returns offer.

im really sure too that is a ponzi scam site because they have usually those payment rates which is really good to be tru in  long term investment but  sadly these sites gone scam easily in a matter of days and weeks because they cant sustain the  payouts of the investors of their site.
8924  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much have you gambled? on: August 25, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
I have gambled mostly fiat money in real casinos playing poker or craps, but how much? That depends on your definition. For example in craps you can make a bet throw the dice 10 times without winning or losing, did I make 1 bet? Or Did I make 10 bets?

Unlike most people, I keep tight records so in absolute terms I have gambled about 5k.


Good for you. It's pretty hard not to go for high bets on Casinos.. The biggest mistake might be having too much money at you though. When you loose, you panic and you don't even take the right decisions anymore.
Thats the main disadvantages  when you have lots of money to gamble because  you could do whatever you want  on betting set-up you could adjust anytime   you want as same as you said when you suffer  big losses in your bank roll then you would surely panic and  cant decide anymore on what you gonna do.
8925  Other / Off-topic / Re: When is Bitcoins going to die? on: August 25, 2016, 12:39:16 PM
Bitcoins will be dead if the price of bitcoin dropped to $1 for each bitcoin and people will not use bitcoin anymore and bitcoin become dead.

and when the price of bitcoin will fall to $1? I do not think it will happen. bitcoin will continue to live for at least until bitcoin depleted mined until 2140


As a old member of this forum,  you might see many dips and pumps in price.  So you need to get expertise in price speculation. Then bitcoin will not die forever because this is future currency and world gonna adopt this only as money. 

no effect, although as a member of the old in this forum and do not need to be an expert to price speculation. because the price itself is difficult to predict.

You are right, even the owner would not have  the control of bitcoins price and even cant predict  because   there are already lot of big investors on bitcoin which  also causes the bitcoins price to move. No one could predict the bitcoins price because  you dont know when those coins to be trade on huge volumes.
8926  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: August 25, 2016, 12:19:57 PM

Even rich people borrow money since we cannot control that there are times financial problem happens, some people think rich has no problem with money but they have high demand also due to their lifestyle.

Rich people are the most pressured one in terms of money. They doesn't have enough rest because of their business. Yes they have big money but it doesn't mean that their life is easy at all.

And yes, they are prone to loans too since there are unexpected things really happen at any level of life state.

Im agree with you  even what state of life  does have also a problem when it terms to financial because  most people think that rich people dont have  money problems  but they are somewhat wrong because  those rich people out there have  bigger loans.
8927  Other / Off-topic / Re: Any safe way to grow my bitcoins ? on: August 25, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
I personally buy a fraction of a coin every week if it can be added into my budget just to increase my btc holdings. I only buy coins when I think that in this certain price range that I'm supposed to be buying, I'll get even 5% profit. If not, I skip for a week and hope for a nice entry point for next week. This is what I did during the whole year of 2015 and by July of this year, I gained more than triple of my investment since I bought heavily when the price is sleeping at $200-$220. Don't invest on gambling sites or gamble your money for a fast income. I suggest you avoid these two and go for the safer route to profit instead, which is buying at a low price and selling higher.

sometimes your strategy is not work, and that's time we must sell our coin. we must sell for buying at lower price.
last month i do it too. buying ethereum classic at 40.000 sat selling at 30.000 sat, buy back at 26,000 sat then selling at 37.000 sat Roll Eyes

It does not  work as always because  you need to have the exact entry on buying  coin. It also comes with luck because if you  enter to a wrong specific point then you would suffer such losses it really depends on decision making and analytic skills if  you saw that coins has a potential then its your tactic when to buy and when to sell.

we must have goob observation, or we can use other plan like save 50% of capital to buy more if the price fail -30% , so after price back to normal price, we can sell it and take profit 30% of 2nd buy.
Everything has a risk , and you need to take a risk or you will get nothing.
Even if you are only holding bitcoin without trade it you are risking your money to losing value slowly.
No safe at all in bitcoin world as bitcoin itself full of risk.
yes indeed by holding bitcoin you allready taking the risk because of fluctuation from the price of it from time to time, so if you are willing to earn you must learn how to use it inside trading industry buying potential alt coin and trade it to bitcoin for me it is safe if you know what's the drill if you will take time studying and reading informations that you need before you start.

Even in alt trading is a little bit risky since its really hard  to predict  which coins had the potential to pump or increase its price in the future. If you are really experienced trader maybe you would  know it.  Trading is not easy as it suggest  and you must be   serious with this thing because  you could also lose your money in this way.
8928  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ARE NEWBIES CONSIDERED AS FOOLS? on: August 25, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
For a long time on this forum, I see people demonizing newbies for anything. From What I see, a new is considered as someone who doesn't 'know anything and is not supposed to say anything. Whatever you do, you will be told that "you are newbie". I ask myself, does it mean that newbies don't have a voice?

I realized some people build up their accounts and sell them when they are on a higher rank. They then start another account of which they will definitely start as a newbie. Can this person also be considered "worthless"?

Some newbies are genuine and want to learn.
But there are a lot of newbie accounts especially made for farming or scamming. And that's where the problems start imho: a lot of spam (to increase the rank faster) threads and posts, a lot of threads with FUD made as first post of an account (I mean, come on...!) a lot of newbie accounts asking for loans, scams supported "vouched" by newbies and so on.

Remember that "great" (fake) 1000BTC "giveaway"? I can only imagine how many new accounts were made only for posting once into that one thread.


I agree not all newbies are fools there are some which is serious on learning  on things but some just created on scam purpose or those farmed account same as you said. They considered as fool because of their traits on the forum thats why other newbies are being affected especially to those  who are really serious.
8929  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: August 25, 2016, 06:40:03 AM
It depends on the level of stability that you get in the activity that you perform.
yeah I think if you've got a fixed income in bitcoin and you get good conditions and circumstances in the sense that you get the feeling of security in bitcoin. it may be time for you to consider to working full time in bitcoin. maybe I'll do the same thing. but now I'm enjoy in real life jobs
a good choice to keep your real job. because it will be difficult to re looking for a real job, if one day you do not get good results from bitcoin. bitcoin be a very good for side job if you just do a signature campaign, mining or holding.

I am 100% agree with you, because bitcoin is only better for a side job, otherwise if we whole depend on bitcoin, i mean if we convert our day job on bitcoin so it is risky like we know that bitcoin is risky. 


I agree with it, bitcoin is going to be good to consider as your part time job. And while you are going to have your full time job then you are just going to keep on working with both sides. And don't just to forget to set your priorities and you need to have proper time management because having a lot of source of income is good.

The only key to be successful on handling bot jobs would be having a proper time management and for sure you would handle that easily maybe it's hard at first but you would get used to it. Agree, having many source of income is very good and you must treasure anyone of it.
Time management is very important to handle both effectively, also we need to consider that we also need to rest although we see that the opportunity here in bitcoin is unlimited  but our health is the most important to treasure so we can continue to work.
really hard to manage it especially when you are already have a family taking your time for your day job, your bitcoin investment and your time for your family but if you successfully manage it properly bitcoin can bring us fortune for sure.


That's why you must manage your time very well so that you won't compromise anything. Some say that we must not abuse our health and that's right because all of those hard work would be put into useless if your body would be affected because all of the money you've been working for would only go to hospital bills.
8930  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: August 25, 2016, 06:32:01 AM
i am prefered investment
i want my money is always growth so is can pasive income for me,saving in my bank only result my job online and offline

Doing both is better than focusing on one, but we all have the capacity to save when we are earning but not all people have the capacity to invest. We are always prioritizing our needs over the other but what if we are just earning a little amount so we cannot invest and wait for the right time we are capable.

Yes, both the ways are useful and profitable for us, but we can make profit more it depend on us, if we save our bitcoins so take a decision on the correct time, than it make profit, otherwise investment is also same way.
If you earn 50% from bitcoin and also 50% from your real job you have the chance to save and invest at the same time. With bitcoin it gives you the opportunity to do both so do not miss the opportunity to invest as that is vital for your success.

Yeah that is going to be a good chance if you are going earn with both. And it is always been better if you are going to do both and you don't have to choose only one from it. Saving without purpose is good, but saving to have a purpose of investing is going to be the best. But always remember don't invest if you don't plans to grow it.


Doing both thing would be the best thing to do but just remember how to handle your time on doing those things because you would really have a hard time when you pursue that you can't really achieve. Saving without purpose as you said is somewhat useful but the possibility to save on that mindset would be possibly changed or your not serious of saving because you don't have plan for your saving but if you have set goals to your savings it would be much more better because you would really save because you set a particular plan.
Savings will enable you to invest in any opportunities you can see, may it be in online or in physical world. Since we are living in the crypto world, the opportunity is investing with bitcoin to prove how strong our trust that bitcoin will succeed in the future.

Yes, saving could be useful in both online and in physical world because it has many uses and on what purpose would you use it. It's also good to save Bitcoin because we know and believe that it would increase it price in the future which is also go to save more and would also make an investment long term because Bitcoin price is still growing.
8931  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you consider trading as gambling? on: August 25, 2016, 06:13:59 AM
  Anything can be gambling, and trading for me is even more gambling then some other gambling games. Someone is buying alt coin, or bitcoin and someone is expecting rise to sell then, then waiting for lower price. For me its same do you throw dice and expect results, or to buy some coin and wait for price to rise. At least in dices I see result right away, in trading months can pass and nothing to happen.
   With trading people can manipulate, especially rich ones with some skills in economy. I don't like trading, and I would trade only in case someone give me direct information about rise of some coin.

Litter bit same thing both of them, but i don't think that trading is more than gambling. I think gambling is more difficult than trading, because gambling is total risky game, where we invest our amount and if we loss than nothing come back, but in trading if we lose than we can save our actual amount.
Well, with your idea I would agree with you that gambling is more difficult than trading. Gambling is easy to play but difficult to win while trading is hard to do since you need to spend time analyzing so it is not simple but our chances to have income is better.
yeah by knowing what would be the flow or movements of certain alt or whatever you are trading that will gives you more edge to earn while in gambling your chances always rely from your luck and that's very  difficult to asses.


Have knowledge on trading would give you the edge but it's not easy to choose coins since you need research and good technical and analytic skills with that. Trading isn't easy as it sounds but at least you could learn the important things so that you would be profitable in this matter. Agree, gambling doesn't even guarantee profits and it's only a matter of luck just like anything have said here.
8932  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst mistake in gambling on: August 25, 2016, 06:09:56 AM
The worst mistake is when i play the dice game and then i play with 90% winning chance with small bet, after i got bored because the payment is quite small so i change from auto bet to manual bet, and click the max button, i thought that i still bet with 90% chance, but in the manual bet it is 50% winning chance and then i am busted lost 0.02 in one bet

the 90% winning chance is not good in my opinion, in fact i don't like any otehr chance of winning other than 50% because in any other like high chances you win a tiny amount of bitcoin if you win and in the opposite type you win a lot but you will never win anything.
90% chance in dice does not give you an advantage because the payout is also low, you are just living in fantasy if you think you can win in the long run doing that method, anything as long as in dice in the long run we all lose. No strategy will work.
Yes, only our dreams may last with 90% chances of playing in dicing. Because with this odds, many small profits will be wiped out with one shot of loss. Winning amount and loosing amount must be same for the better results. Other wise, we will not be in right way to use the opportunities we do get from gambling very rarely. All the time we must be ready to grab any possible opportunity gambling may offer, which is not at all possible if we go with 90% chance.

Even if on what odds would you use on playing they are still the same result. On 90% winning chance doesn't even guarantee you a profit because one Lose would erased those small earnings earlier same as he said. 90% or 50% is all the same result and it only now matters on how much luck do you have that day.
8933  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: August 25, 2016, 06:04:49 AM
Well I haven't use martingale yet, but the reality is that whatever strategy we are going to use if we are not going to be wise with our decisions as we gamble then we are just going to lose in the end. Especially when you are on losing streak, you are going to be on the rage emotion and you don't care even if you are going to lose again and again just you are going to recover your loses.

You should try it too. Don't missed the martingale train. So much fun at first when you're seeing those little btc added on your balance Smiley . Just be careful on the sudden red streak/train wreck ~
If you are using martingale strategy then you should expect to experience long losing streaks and it's really hard to cope up your loses with this kind of technique that's why I don't use it anymore because It doesn't works anytime on any game and you would surely lose.
8934  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you can control your self when playing gambling? on: August 25, 2016, 05:59:43 AM
While play gambling and lost, do you add more beting or stop play gambling? I always add more beting and deposit again, i can't control my self. Do you have suggesting for me?

You should stop as early as you can before it destroys your life. You can't control yourself already on betting more because you are now. A gambling addict for sure. It's really hard to stop when you are hooked into it. I would suggest you to stay away from gambling before it's too late because it would cause severe problem in the future if you are going to proceed on your doing.
8935  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Sites - Share Yours Experiences. on: August 25, 2016, 05:53:39 AM
www.coin-inv.com  Huh is a scam site because i sent 0.01 btc for 200% profit after 24 hours plan. now 100 hours+ but they sent nothing. so i lost.
seems they are showing some other blockchain transaction at home page. so beware about listed transactions on any site. there is no contact address too on site. they are using offshore hosting server to scam people.

xcrypto.virb.com  Huh  is another scam site, because i sent 0.01 btc for 1 btc profit plan. now 100 hours+ but they sent nothing. so i lost.
seems they are showing some other blockchain transaction at home page. so beware about listed transactions on any site. i sent messages many times with support/contact us page, but no replies.

www.bitcoindouble.cool  Huh is another scam site, because i sent dogecoins for after 75 hours doubler plan . now it is in -100 hours but sent nothing. so i lost.
1st time they sent doubled dogecoins. but 2nd deposit nothing sent. i sent messages from contact page. but no replies. so why it is not scam site! pls alert new investors!

hint : verify listed block chain transactions on any site(s) are genuine are not. contact the admin of any site before investment. if they are somewhat genuine they should put forum/fb page/twitter account/online chat on site homepage and respond asap. with these links, investors could know site activities.

Share Your Experiences and Alert others.

Thanks, All the Best.







Scam sites always pop out elsewhere almost one from another because there are many newbies get easily fall for it because of greed and believing on high returns on their money but the reality they are being scammed in the end. Stay away on those sites forever, you committed such mistake and don't do it again because you are totally wasting your money.
8936  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Grow my Bitcoins. on: August 25, 2016, 05:47:13 AM
I know a new method where you can earn ~30% of your bitcoins in one week. You just need to have bitcoins on your wallet, you don't need to send it, and don't need to invest. I can help you everyone if needed. I will make you profit and then you will pay me 10% of this Smiley

Feel free to ask me, Im helping newbie too!

if it advises you should be able to tell here? how can just save it in wallet and get 30%? then I have to pay you 10%? whoever it may be difficult to cooperate with the newbie, worried they would be a scammer.

Yeah, seem like scammer, but is it possible?
Because i never hear about anything, but i think just we are doing faucets so may be something is new introduce, but should check it out because if we do it we can't pay anything so no loss. So nothing is bad to do it and also get 30%.
I do not believe with such programs, will surely end up with fraud, a lot of websites like that in there, and I've stopped following such a program

I know this thing already.. he mentioned that you won't need to invest or deposit. He said that your money is on the wallet only and he promises to grow your Bitcoins in 30%? Lol. It's impossible to happen and even in my dreams. I already knew his modus, after you pm him he would definitely give you a script which you would paste on your browser then viola those coins would transfer to his wallet and you have been scammed.
8937  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ARE NEWBIES CONSIDERED AS FOOLS? on: August 25, 2016, 05:41:25 AM
Yes i was also a newbie and i didn't asked anyone or created threads for each of my answers. I will create a thread when its too emergancy or i am stuck in a problem then i will create one and i know users will help me with what they know

That kind of attitude is really good because you are using your commonsense compared to those lazy newbies out there dont know how to search on their questions, beginners section helps a lot when you are just starting up. Search bar is there and was made for a purpose for anybody. They are just to lazy to find and keep on creating the same question that has been answered already again and again.
8938  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Where can I earn much bitcoin? on: August 25, 2016, 05:36:16 AM
There is a lot of ways to earn bitcoin. Nothing is too difficult as long as you're determined to earn. Faucets, signature campaign, selling goods, offering services, gambling, giveaways are some ways to earn bitcoins. if you have enough bitcoin you can try to invest or trade it to earn more.

Exactly, a lot of ways are here for earning the bitcoins, but i think best ways are signature campaign and trading, where we can earn more profit than other ways. And gambling is a game not source of income.


Agree, gambling is not a source of income. Lol. Right, there are lot of ways on how to earn Bitcoin and those all he mentioned is correct except gambling because it's not a source of income, it doesn't earn you stable amount with it but could lose your money with it. Trading would be a best way as long as you are already knowledgeable and have enough amount to invest.
8939  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: How Can I Earn Bitcoins? on: August 24, 2016, 10:31:26 AM

Faucets are just a waste of time, if someone tries to collect enough bitcoins to be used in trading as a capital he would need to spend a lot of time on a lot of faucets and then he may get a reasonable price to start trading with.

Faucets may be a waste of time but at least you can still earn bitcoin. It may take some time to accumulate the amount to be able to trade but at least you can still trade and you have the funds. It may be small in the beginning but it will be bigger eventually if you pick the right pair to trade.

It would take you years to accumulate a decent amount from faucets that can be used as a capital in trading because the payrates of faucets are too low, even if you spend the whole day on faucets you will still not get a good amount from them for that day, they are simply wasting your time if you are targeting a capital through them.

Agree,  faucets earning are too small even if you face your computer for the whole day and you gain a very small amount of bitcoins only. If you depend your desired capital on it then  for sure it would take you years before you reach that amount. Its a really waste of time and  doesnt  worth the effort.

It will take years to get the monet you desired if yoy are just reallying only from it, its because faucet earnings are not really enough to give us an enough capital to be used on another program that we can earn another profit maybe it will take days for us to earn capital from faucet but it is good for starting people who don't want to put up some money since they are newbie. And newbie should upgrade their knowledge so they can get out of faucet and find another ways to earn because as many people saying here i am agreeing to them that faucet is totally a waste of time if you do it on full time basis.

Faucet is only good when you had just startup to learn things here in bitcoin world, it isnt bad after all since these faucets could help you to gain ideas but he was right  you must learn new things on how to earn more bitcoin so that you could get away in those faucets and upgrade yourself in learning the new ways.
8940  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: August 24, 2016, 10:25:13 AM
i think it depend  on your way of playing gambling, if you have no limit and play gambling with all your investment at one time and every time you faces lost then it is really wrong for you, but if you have a limit and you play gambling up to the limit you can bare then gambling is not wrong for you.
yes if you have the control in your gambling habits and can limit yourself from gambling more aften loosing or even winning then gambling can be alot fun and gambling is not wrong gambling addiction is wrong and which depends only on the person to control himself and you cant say gambling wrong.
True we have to restrict ourselves in order not to become addicted to betting and harm us. Very dangerous if we have been very addicted to gambling and certainly will affect our lives. So long as gambling has a limit was not wrong.

Having a limit would not do any harm but still you are spending your money even if you have a limit on playing gambling but be sure  to manage your  money on playing such game. Dont ever use  those money that are already  budgeted for your needs of your family. Gambling addiction is really hard  to get if you are already got hooked into it.
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