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901  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is different from other means of investment on: October 22, 2023, 09:34:18 PM
Those who are confident enough to take risks, they can choose Bitcoin as the main investment. And those who want to stay on the safe side they can go for real estate investment.
The idea that Bitcoin is risky is what I find so confusing. In what ways do you think Bitcoin is risky? If you invest in real estate, you will give it some years before you break even. But if the investment is in Bitcoin, the profits will be expected within a short time... why the double standard? Since the advent of Bitcoin, anyone who invested in Bitcoin and allow a period of five to ten years is surely in good profits, where then is the risk?

The post gave a good example of the risk associated with real estate that was never envisaged. That is to show that even though Bitcoin is erroneously assumed to be risky and real estate safer, the reverse might actually be the case.
902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 21, 2023, 03:47:20 PM
Most beginners seeing Bitcoin at $29,747 today, the first thing that may likely come to there mind is that they should have invested all the money they have and rip the profits.
This is true especially those that knew when it was $16k and lower prices. Another thing is when they notice that the market have been moving up consistently for days now, they might be tempted to just put in money, make profit and then get out. Indeed, there is no difference between this and gambling. They often finally make the decision when Bitcoin is about to retrace and that is where the pain comes in intensely.

There are also many skeptics that do check the price of Bitcoin once in a while to know if they should be happy they refused to invest in Bitcoin. When the price goes lower they celebrate their supposed wisdom but when the price rises, there is this regret and pain they feel that they will never share with anyone. I knew this because I have seen few of them.

We are happy to have a thread like this one where various methods of Bitcoin accumulation have been discussed with emphasis on the DCA method that is suitable for majority of the people.



903  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling? on: October 21, 2023, 08:01:49 AM
First, any casino that do this is not to be trusted and the intention might likely to deny you the money or make the conditions a little difficult to check if you will give up on the funds.

Personally, I will submit the documents and do the KYC, provided I will be paid my winnings. We do KYC for minor things talk more of when $70k is involved. I know there are people that will think twice before submitting  such KYC but I don't belong to that category because the amount involved is huge and it is my wish I get to such a situation.
It is for the avoidance of this occurrence that gamblers that take too much importance to their privacy are told to make use of casino's that don't require kyc for withdrawal of any amount won thereafter sign up. Even as that some casinos may pretend to be a no KYC requirements casino but when a huge amount is involved they start giving kyc conditions for withdrawal.
That is the problem! They don't put these conditions during registration and anywhere in their terms and condition. It is usually conjured during withdrawal of huge wins. Maybe they felt no one will win such huge amount, hence the reason they never bothered to add those conditions.

It is really a big weakness on the part of those casinos and I don't know if there is any possibility for gamblers to seek legal action against them regarding this supposed sharp practice. 
904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 20, 2023, 08:05:19 PM
Panic sellers, in my view, are individuals who sell because they're afraid of potential price drops.
I have noticed that the number of panic sellers are steadily on the decline, maybe the fud about Bitcoin being a bubble, and bla bla bla are all dying. People are now waking up to reality that Bitcoin have come to stay. Recent findings shows that a lot of Bitcoin are stashed in various wallets and not being traded frequently.  This shows that Hodlers are seriously on the rise.... this is expected though because Bitcoin have proven to be resilient and reliable.


We are not in the bull market yet, we are just warning up with this recent pump on the market, should anyone release yet then they must have been a short time holders or most likely trader, being were we are currently does not mean there may not be further bears ahead, it may only be minimal, this is a call for more investments than ever because we are still not yet where we are going to.
You are right on the aspect that we are not yet in the bull market. The recent response of the market demonstrates how rapid the bull will dominate when there is a favourable fundamental.  Like I always say, Bitcoin have been so nice and considerate for those who are willing to take the chance, it offered us too many opportunities to secure as much as we can at good prices.

The behaviour of Bitcoin this year is actually wonderful and suitable for any type of method of accumulation... I don't think there is anyone employing any method of buying that will saw he had a problem.

The market sentiment is going in favour of long term holders when we have fully launched into the bullrun next year after halving, we have to wait and hold until then, $68,000 should be our first target before the next expectation on bullrun for a nee all time high in favour of every long time bitcoin holders, this also means that we are still in the dip, buy and hold for the time to release get unfolds.
It is expected because from past history, Bitcoin have always recorded good gains in October.  This year just confirmed that with the signs of the bull gradually dominating the market.if history is anything to go by, we will surely end this month well and those who bought this year will all be in profit.
905  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin current range: $25K to $32K on: October 20, 2023, 03:08:24 PM
Breaking to $30K today in a matter of hours seemed like a bluff that shocked those who didn't believe that Bitcoin was headed for a bull market.
It's still available for about 11 days left in October and I hope it can be the new support price until the end of the year even though it's just a hope. At least I want the graph to be able to move sideways if it can't go up rather than down to below $29K.
From all indication, the bull run is upon us. History might just be getting set to repeat itself. Well, it is too early to conclude, but the market has shown great reluctance to go lower.

Indeed, coming weeks will really show the face of where we are going and I am optimistic we are on the right track. The moment the $32k resistance is shattered, the coast is clear for a decent sail towards the north. 
906  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Upbit Got approval In Singapore on: October 20, 2023, 11:25:13 AM
Does it mean Singapore is friendly to cryptocurrency? Is there a chance Bitcoin can be legalised there? approvals are good news for us in the Bitcoin community... my question is just to gauge the level of Bitcoin penetration there.
Yup, Singapore is certainly one of the crypto friendly countries. As a matter of fact, it's not just Upbit that got approval and license there. A competitor in exchange business and not just a simple one but a major player, Coinbase just got approved there as well.

Coinbase obtains Major Payment Institution licence from the Monetary Authority of Singapore

So, these are like go signals for other crypto exchanges to take them and have their approvals and license there. They're attracting them and telling to have an headquarters on their country.
By population wise, Singapore is a small country as someone presumed it would be insignificant. But what I feel is that if Bitcoin is deeply rooted in Singapore with attending successes in various businesses that integrated it, other progressive countries will follow that direction and that is good for Bitcoin.

Sincerely, if Singapore joins El Salvador and Central African Republic,  it will really be something to celebrate because it means Bitcoin is truly make its way into the mainstream.
907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling? on: October 20, 2023, 09:10:59 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
First, any casino that do this is not to be trusted and the intention might likely to deny you the money or make the conditions a little difficult to check if you will give up on the funds.

Personally, I will submit the documents and do the KYC, provided I will be paid my winnings. We do KYC for minor things talk more of when $70k is involved. I know there are people that will think twice before submitting  such KYC but I don't belong to that category because the amount involved is huge and it is my wish I get to such a situation.
908  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: The zeal to invest in speculative asset on: October 20, 2023, 08:21:17 AM
Investment strategy one implement be it short-term or long-term is channeled for profit maximization. Cryptocurrency on it's own is a solid long-term investment, one which is volatile and unpredictable, which is also a speculative investment. I will say it have outperformed most asset classes in recent years; including stocks, bond, gold, and real estate. Cryptocurrency is the tomorrow of today.
When using the word "cryptocurrency " please be specific so you don't mislead the uniformed.  In other words, Saying that cryptocurrency have outperformed most asset classes is actually equivocation because many people have be wrecked by cryptocurrency.  This is why it becomes very important to be specific when using that term.
If you say Bitcoin have performed better than stock and many asset classes, it is understood because that is the fact.... many people have had their lives transformed through Bitcoin. On the other hand, Luna and other cryptocurrencies that failed, have destroyed many lives.

I will encourage anyone willing to start building their portfolio to consider Bitcoin that is the pioneer and most reliable digital currency.
909  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Make Bitcoin Price Lower - Tell To Arab People - It Is Haram on: October 20, 2023, 08:13:53 AM
Inasmuch as I wouldn't want to get involved in a sensitive discussion such as you have brought, I don't really know how the entire Arab people dumping Bitcoin will lead to price rise. Beside, do we really need people to sell their Bitcoin or we want more people to get involved? I am really seeing some contradictions that need clarification in this posts.
I see the OP as a person that thought he did not invest when the price of bitcoin was low and still which to invest at a lower price. That kind of thinking can make someone to think like him.
It makes sense to me now because I couldn't understand the angle he was coming from. Obviously he missed buying Bitcoin when it was cheaper, now he is looking for a way and people that will join him in spreading fud so that the price cab dump for him to buy.
The forum is actually a good place to recruit agents for that misinformation but what he forgot is that many people have developed thick skin as far as Bitcoin is concerned. More people are already well positioned for what is coming.
910  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Make Bitcoin Price Lower - Tell To Arab People - It Is Haram on: October 19, 2023, 10:49:17 PM
Tell all arab people, also here in the forum, that Bitcoin trading is haram. So they will start to sell it and Bitcoin price will be lower.  Grin
As we know in Egypt, Islamic advisory body make the decree, that crypto, also Bitcoin is haram ( prohibited by Islamic law).
Egypt Islamic advisory decree: https://venturesafrica.com/why-is-morocco-walking-back-on-its-crypto-ban/
Inasmuch as I wouldn't want to get involved in a sensitive discussion such as you have brought, I don't really know how the entire Arab people dumping Bitcoin will lead to price rise. Beside, do we really need people to sell their Bitcoin or we want more people to get involved? I am really seeing some contradictions that need clarification in this posts.
911  Local / Nigeria (Naija) / Re: The igbo system of education vs the formal education on: October 19, 2023, 09:25:31 PM
I know that formal education has gained popularity to a very large extent, and it seems we've gotten used to it but, have you thought about how effective the IGBO system of education could become if it is properly polished and regulated?
This is called apprenticeship and every tribe have their own version of it. However, the style the Igbos adopted is more effective and produce greater result than others practiced elsewhere.

By the IBO system of education, I mean, the process where you decide on what to specialize in, pay a certain amount to someone already in the field, and get to have a first-hand learning process and loads of experience because you are directly learning and working at the same time. It is what most Easterners call serving your master and after a particular year's, he frees you to start working on your own.
I don't know if the apprentice pays, how I know it to be is that the apprentice (in their youth age or even children) are given to their master to serve them for certain number of years without payment... at the end they are taught the trade of the master and upon completion of service, the master will settle them by either giving them money to start up the same business or setting up the business for them including giving them the contacts and connection that will help them succeed.

I feel it will encourage specialization (which is a key element to mastery)  and that the one-on-one learning condition will boast effective assimilation of what was taught.
This model actually play a huge part in making the Igbos very rich and prosperous with the money spread among them and not just in the hands of few.


If the relationship between the boss in charge of this training and the trainee can be monitored and regulated correctly, I feel it will contribute a lot to increasing technical and industrious individuals in our country.
I agree with you that this will make good impact if looked into. I understand that there is a growing interest in it already both home and abroad; in the near future,  we expect some good news to that effect.
912  Local / Off-topic (Naija) / Re: Marriage right wan de increase pass price of goods o! on: October 19, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
Omo survival instinct no be your mate o... everything don cast so bride price gat follow them. Like this now, I dey pity people wey never marry o because from rice to meet to wedding gown and down to drinks, everything don cast. Now come add bride price wey them don remove subsidy untop.... omo people go either turn reverend father or marry for credit later them pay.

913  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Question for those who loose too frequently in gambling on: October 19, 2023, 03:42:29 PM
Yes there are people like that and quite a number of gamblers have not won what will measure up to how much they have lost.
Well, if it is in the aspect of being in net loss, I agree with you, and my response did not really cover that. The bookies are generally in profits as the odds is in their favour else the companies will collapse.  But for those who never won yet continue to gamble, that is an error.


In my neighborhood for example, there are lots of gamblers still trying their luck with the hope to win for the first time.
A simple self appraisal will easily show them that gambling is not for them... they should find what they are good at and stop wasting their money. Gambling is serious business and not something that depends on luck entirely. Hence, it is either they change their strategy or quit. Do you know the pain of putting in money continuously without getting anything in return? It damages the mental health so the best is to quit and look for something else.

914  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 19, 2023, 10:29:52 AM
Yeah you have a point, for those who have enough funds that cannot be affected if using a bigger amount to buy Bitcoin can actually buy a higher amount of Bitcoin at a time and however DCA method may not be use for these kind of investment because the investor may already have more than enough money that could buy a whole lot of Bitcoin and still  have many reserve funds waiting.
Lump sum buying is more of advantage when bitcoin price is at the bottom line of the dip, at this time, all you need to do is to buy once and just sit down and watch how the price starts going up again and your investment will also start increasing with the timeline.

The challenge with seeking the bottom is that there is no technique that is accurate in predicting what the bottom is. If you remember, just few months ago Bitcoin price was stuck around $29k qwhich made many people assumed that was the bottom. Many bottom seekers went long in line with what you have said. Little did they know that price will dip lower to even below $25k thereby proving once again how difficult it is to determine the bottom.
I was actually tempted to go all in that period before I learnt DCA and setting limit orders following conversation in this thread and WO. I have to spread my position to lower prices and when the dip finally happened, most of those positions triggered at lower prices thereby giving me more Bitcoin than I would have gotten.

Now I apply the DCA completely and I hardly pay attention to the price, the dips, news or whatever... I just buy the amount set aside for Bitcoin. This truly brought a whole different feeling and peace.


Apart from that time, the DCA method is still the most welcome strategy to use in buying bitcoin, this can also help you have plans on some other investment you want to diversify to.
I can tell you for a fact that the DCA method is always a good strategy irrespective of the market condition. The advantages far outweighs any disadvantage you might envisage. Just know why you are buying Bitcoin and allow DCA help you achieve your target with less worries.

915  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Can the government acquire all bitcoins either by seizure or purchase? on: October 18, 2023, 07:42:47 PM
So far as the fund is passing through CEX, it is possible to seize them. To cash out cryptocurrency, you need KYC through which the identity of the user is known. It is just a matter of running background check on the user to check their activities and affiliations. 

As soon as the details about the user are gotten,  Isreal through the West will act through the exchanges since they control the global system, no body want to be in their bad book.
916  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Question for those who loose too frequently in gambling on: October 18, 2023, 05:55:07 PM
I have often wondered about the people who have lost a lot in gambling and who almost loose in every gambling activity they participate. What is their reason or motivation to continue even after so many losses?
Are there really people like that? It seems strange to me that someone will continue in gambling when failure is experienced in every gambling activity. That does not seem reasonable to me. Maybe they have had a major win before the series of losses....
917  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sports bets or in-house games, which is best for the weekend. on: October 18, 2023, 03:19:37 PM
Sport bets vs in-house games which is most enjoyable and has a higher tendency of bringing much winning compared to it possibility of losing?
The odds in casino games are better than those in bookies. I use to play roulette because it is very simple and I like the big odds. I have also played dice sometimes before. Most of my gambling is on football until some months ago that I do not have much time anymore. But with what I noticed when I started playing on casinos, the odds in casino games are better if you choose from the better games. If you have little amount of money to spend, you can go for small amount of money on each stake. That is a sign of responsible gambling.
I think many people will prefer casinos as it seems easier to win than sport betting that Red card can spoil the outcome of the match. Considering that he has limited resources, dividing the funds might not really give him the results he expect.... so I will suggest he look inward and check which option gives him greater peace and confidence as regards his target.
918  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: October 18, 2023, 01:04:11 PM
Actually this was the same kind of buying strategy or rather method by brother normally use for accumulation of Bitcoin, what he does was that he will have a targeted amount of Bitcoin to be accumulated within a month and with the strategy of watching the market all the time to buy from any little dip he sees so that's the kind of strategy he normally use, according to him he said the method allows him to minimize the amount of money used in accumulating Bitcoin.

It will really work, you can have to find the grind to do it every week or even every month. But for those who doesn't have that patience, they might as well implore the strategy of buying in just one lump sum, and just leave it in their wallet, forget about it and just comeback when we are in the bull run.
Buying at once seems more favorable for those who have bulk capital and have already made up their mind to invest same in Bitcoin. They don't see any need keeping those funds or employing DCA since the fund is readily available. This is not a bad strategy provided the intentions are to hold for long to be able to realize profits. Unlike this method, the DCA seems to be more of a continuous process that is suitable for those with a predictable cash flow system of which certain part will be set aside to invest in Bitcoin. Both approaches or a combination of both is not bad because the target is to build a Bitcoin portfolio that will be preserved for the future.


So it really depends on each individual. But relatively, I will also used the DCA method, I mean I have been using ever since and it has work perfectly, at least in my case and most likely those old timers here
I am also using the DCA method as well and I can say I have not seen anything like it before. It is easy and convenient to apply, enabling me build a portfolio I never thought I could have because there is no way I can save such amount of money at once.


What I understand from this method is that it has to do with a lot of patient and consistently watching the market in other to have a good entry,  so is very stressful method and I can't imagine myself using that strategy but however irrespective of the little advantage it may have but it can never be compared with DCA method, because it allows you to set a target and hit it without considering the price movement.

True, but once you get over it (my secret is that I look for the long term goal), it's going to be easy and smooth ride and then after a year or two it will be just like regular, clockwork for you to invest and do DCA without you feeling as if it is being force on you. Of course, there will be weeks that you might not able to buy because of some contraints, but still you can go back and start all over again and continue where you left behind.
For weeks you could not buy due to constraints like traveling or work, you can use the following week to cover that by buying twice the size since the funds for the DCA has already been budgeted. You don't have to start all over again because of a little constraint. This is what I think unless there another way to it.
919  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Stainless steel or Titanium on: October 18, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection   

Good old paper will do just fine for 99.99% of people. Paper can last for years... I have the same paper from 2017 with my seed

Steel, or titanium,  or paper, whatever,  you can use them if you wish. I just recommend to have a second backup of your seed somewhere else.
Peradventure we enter WW3 following recent happenings, we might need something to protect our treasure from bomb  Cheesy

I a kind of agree with you that those protections are not really necessary; there is no need complicating things.
920  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To protect consumers, Australia has introduced new regulations for cryptocurrenc on: October 18, 2023, 09:30:18 AM
If Australia continues in the direction they are going, it will be only a matter of time before the very essence of Bitcoin is defeated in that country. From records, Australian government is fond of interfering with virtually everything... from forex brokerage to online casinos, they practically want to control how their citizens partake in anything. They do this by placing limits on how much an individual can deposit irrespective of how much the individual is worth with their reason being that the citizens are loosing more than they are winning. There was even news of them planning to ban some crypto-based casinos... I don't remember if this scaled through.

While this might seem like watching out for their citizens, if you look deeper, it is control in disguise.



I have done some reading after your post and to an extent, you are right. From my research there are two ways that Australia can go with Cryptocurrency vs. Their proposed digital money systems.

Firslty, they can simply keep up with innovation, not stifle it and also maintain a level of freedom.

However, Australia has the stance that cryptocurrency is competing currency...and with this ideology, their best interest seems to be that they want to eventually eliminate the Australian onramps to the ecosystem. From what I've gathered, this is something that they are aiming to do in the next 5 years, as they update their money system up to a blockchain standard.

It's interesting how they portray their news and then what you find when you dig a little deeper. I will say that it does seem quote sinister to completely eliminate cryotocurrency from their country. I suppose it's one way to get rid of a superior competing currency though. I'm interested to see what happens next there...
I'm glad you are able to corroborate on my earlier submission;  I have been following Australian government policies for a while and I know how they subtly bring regulations that look good on the surface but with clandestine motives that is not far from control and censorship. Several companies that I know have been badly hit by such rules and those that have their headquarters there have to make changes to their conditions of service that it even affected those outside Australia.

I know they will have a hard time with Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general considering that many people are opting for DEX over CEX. Well, in the near future, many things will become clearer.
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