Stainless steel or Titanium

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I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

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[Cantsay]

The reason why most users recommend steel instead of the rest is because of the cost of getting them.

If you check, steel can resist temperature changes to a very high degree (although the rest do better than it in this scenario) but when the price comes into play it becomes more desirable for an average man, and when giving recommendations we normally go with the one that will suites everyone and yet easily accessible.

[bitmover]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and noticed that titanium has a higher melting point of 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable.

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection   

Good old paper will do just fine for 99.99% of people. Paper can last for years... I have the same paper from 2017 with my seed

Steel, or titanium,  or paper, whatever,  you can use them if you wish. I just recommend to have a second backup of your seed somewhere else.

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I have stored seed phrase in the sample paper and before your post I was thinking that writing phrase in hard paper is enough. should we used high melting point for saving and how much worth it is if we want to store one seed phrase?

[Yamane_Keto]

Melting point is not the only measure, otherwise you can search for metals that have a high melting point, such as Tungsten (T) and Rhenium (Re), but there are several options:

• Cost: Stainless steel is cheaper
• Possibility of obtaining it without attracting attention: Some metals need to be ordered and you will not find them in local stores
• Its need for moving points: Moving points are the weak point.
• Malleability and formability:
• Bearing solvents
• Ease of use and concealment

part of those apply to stainless steel, but you can search for other metals, and if the characteristics apply to them or you focus on a specific characteristic, you can use it.

[examplens]

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Probably the higher price of the material, but also one more thing. The harder material, Titanium in this case requires a different type of processing, certainly and more expensive. Well, the seed phrase engraving itself can cost significantly more compared to the same print on "ordinary" stainless steel.

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection   

Exactly this. In case such a situation happens where the melting point of your seed card is crucial, I believe that at that moment there will be some more serious things to worry about. Probably a struggle for bare life.

[BitMaxz]

Stainless steel can be rust and corrosion compared to titanium it is resistant to both rust and corrosion. However, titanium is a bit pricey compared to stainless steel.

I have stored seed phrase in the sample paper and before your post I was thinking that writing phrase in hard paper is enough. should we used high melting point for saving and how much worth it is if we want to store one seed phrase?

Paper wallets are not good in a wet place that's why having a metal sheet to store seed backup is way more better for the long term.

[hd49728]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.

It does not worth your money to spend more to have a Titanium steel rather than a stainless steel with very small difference to be against high temperature and big difference in cost.

It is more easily, economic if you simply make some backups that can save you rather than only rely on either a stainless steel or a titanium steel.

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[Odohu]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection   

Good old paper will do just fine for 99.99% of people. Paper can last for years... I have the same paper from 2017 with my seed

Steel, or titanium,  or paper, whatever,  you can use them if you wish. I just recommend to have a second backup of your seed somewhere else.

Peradventure we enter WW3 following recent happenings, we might need something to protect our treasure from bomb 

I a kind of agree with you that those protections are not really necessary; there is no need complicating things.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Yes, it is the best all round metal to use. It is better than stainless steel for all the things we care about - melting point, corrosion resistance, reactivity, strength, and so on. It is a bit more expensive, but not as much as you would expect to just buy a small plain plate of reasonable thickness.

Having said all that, stainless steel is cheaper and still more than sufficient for our purposes. The melting point of steel is still well above the temperature reached in average house fires.

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

There are other things to consider beyond melting point. Pure tungsten is very brittle and will break and shatter with external stress. Not to mention you'll be hundreds if not thousands of dollars compared to $10 for stainless steel or $20 for titanium.

[Charles-Tim]

I have stored seed phrase in the sample paper and before your post I was thinking that writing phrase in hard paper is enough. should we used high melting point for saving and how much worth it is if we want to store one seed phrase?

If you have your seed phrase on a paper, it is better and it reduce noise because having backup on a metal plate is noisy in a way it can attract thieves and offline itax, unlike the backup on paper which may be unnoticeable.

I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.

Temperature can not easily reach $1400 degree Celsius.

[AprilioMP]

Better stainless steel. Better round metal to use.

Trying to write seed phrase in materials such as stainless steel is not wrong because we have created stronger security. But is not a laminated paper that can also function well to write Seed Phrase because we have backups that are stored in several places that are not connected to the internet if there is still the intention to sell Bitcoin when the time has come.

[stompix]

The reason why most users recommend steel instead of the rest is because of the cost of getting them.

You can get a plate big enough for your seed phrase from Amazon for $20
https://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Sheets/b?ie=UTF8&node=11260343011
remember you need to keep it as light and as small as possible to be able to hide it!

It's just that people like to level materials as the only ones good for something and stick to it or use a misleading term for it, like when talking about concrete and cement or iron and steel, so normally when average Joe talks about a metal he says steel, despite in a lot of cases not being stainless steel at all.

The harder material, Titanium in this case requires a different type of processing, certainly and more expensive. Well, the seed phrase engraving itself can cost significantly more compared to the same print on "ordinary" stainless steel.

Titanium is just 6 on the Mohs scale, any cheap metal engraving pen will do the job, if we talk about a sheet 2 mm thick, then it's almost kid play.

[Ruttoshi]

If you have three backups of your seedphrase in three different locations from one another is the safest. This is because all the three locations can't experience a disaster at once. I believe that it will be fine if one uses paper or steel plate to write down seed phrase.

Anywhere that the temperature is above 1000°C is not safe for man anymore.  Steel is cheaper and easy to have access to.

[hd49728]

I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.

Temperature can not easily reach $1400 degree Celsius.

I did not say temperature can easily reach 1400 °C. From normal environmental temperature around 40 °C to like 200 °C is not easily but I meant if temperature already reaches to 1400 °C, I am sure it is a very serious situation which already out of control. I believe in uncontrollable situations like that, from 1400 °C to 1700 °C, it can be reached easily and quickly.

There are other things to consider beyond melting point. Pure tungsten is very brittle and will break and shatter with external stress. Not to mention you'll be hundreds if not thousands of dollars compared to $10 for stainless steel or $20 for titanium.

I also shared a same point like you. It does not worth to spend more expensive cost to have a titanium steel than a stainless steel and in return only have a bit more strength against some hundred of temperature.

[Marvelman]

I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.

Temperature can not easily reach $1400 degree Celsius.

Thats true, but if you want to safeguard your seed phrase from unforeseeable events like a house fire or flood, stainless steel or titanium metal plates are a much better storage option than regular paper or most other everyday materials.

"A standard house fire can reach temperatures of up to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (815 Celcius)."

[348Judah]

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Titanium could be far better than stainless steel but have you also consider the availability of titanium, it abundance in nature and the cost of using one when there's an alternative that is always available and affordable which is stainless steel materials, i also want to see this such a way that even titanium may not be the highest most preferred material one can use, others could be scare or far expensive than stainless steel or titanium.

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

What we are after is not the metallic property in their highest order of melting point, any material that can withstand a certain limit of heat temperature could be used as a mettalic sheath material for storing seed phrase, they all could serve the purpose, what is being most looked for is their durability and elasticity, which serves enough in this purpose.

[Stepstowealth]

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

Writing and safely keeping your seed phrase on paper can be more secure. I was just imagining the security risk that trying to inscribe your seed phrase can put you. Just imagine that the person who is going to inscribe your seed phrase for you on the Aluminum or Titanium knows what bitcoin is and also knows that some people prefer to safe their seed phrase on aluminum or Titanium. You will just be handing over your wallet to them and giving them the access they need when you innocently give the inscriber your seed phrase for the inscription.

[hd49728]

Thats true, but if you want to safeguard your seed phrase from unforeseeable events like a house fire or flood, stainless steel or titanium metal plates are a much better storage option than regular paper or most other everyday materials.

"A standard house fire can reach temperatures of up to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (815 Celcius)."

I know but you see from 815 Celcius degree to 1400 Celcius degree is big different in severity. From normal to abnormal (like 800 Celcius degree) and extremely bad (1400 Celcius degree and higher) are completely different in severity.

Let me repeat my opinion. It's good to use stainless steel or titanium steel than use a paper to save your private key, wallet seed but if you have to consider cost to use a stainless steel or a titanium steel, if the cost is big different, I will choose a stainless steel.

And I will not only have a single backup in a stainless steel but I will have others in paper pieces too.

[Apocollapse]

To reach 1400 °C is hard, a house fire isn't even reach that high. So it's either you intentionally want to melt it, an unknown meteor or someone use nuclear energy to destroy your place (which is high unlikely).

Stainless steel is enough and the best deal for it's price.

According to a report by National Fire Protection Association, Fundamentals of Fire Protection, the average peak temperature of a house fire or area of a building is around 1,100°F (593°C). The peak temperature is between 1,200 and 1,800°F (649 and 982°C).