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901  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will BU Fork Soon Rip the Network in Half? on: May 11, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
All they will have is an useless coin with a higher hashrate. Meanwhile 75% of exchanges and merchants will reject BUcoin.

The poll done by 21 suggest that around 75% of big players in the space want segwit and the  70.5% reject Buggy Unlimited explicitly:




https://medium.com/@21/using-21-to-survey-blockchain-personalities-on-the-bitcoin-hard-fork-1953c9bcb8ed

Not to mention nobody buy Roger Ver runs nodes.

So it's pretty obvious BU is in general a failure.
902  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit + Variable and Adaptive (but highly conservative) Blocksize Proposal on: May 11, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
I fully support this proposal and hope we can move forward with a real BIP and an actual implementation based on it.

How do you differentiate real demand from spam demand?

If someone like Ver decides to dump millions of dollars worth of spam transactions in order to make the blockchain huge, how do you stop this? since if it's automated, the blockchain will just adapt to this demand (even if its fake) centralizing the nodes as a result.

In this proposal, it would take years of continuous spamming to achieve a dangerous block size. Not only mempool spamming (like now), the transactions would have to be actually included in the blocks, so it would be a very costly operation.

You can do the math: the increase of the base block size would be a maximum of 250 kB per year (that is the important number regarding to the quadratic hashing problem), while the total block size only could change 1 MB/year.

What I like regarding the last proposal (5% per period) is the non-exponential approach to block size increases. So if the block size becomes bigger it still is equally difficult to "spam the blocksize to the moon".

It would be need to be researched and studied deeply and consider all the exploitable angles, because you are forgetting there's people out there with literal money machines.

An attacker like the PBOC itself has trillions of dollars to dump and bloat the network and keep it at the maximum, so even if you set a limit, you would end up with a blocksize that's too big for most people and then the nodes start dropping like soliders in the d-day.
903  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit + Variable and Adaptive (but highly conservative) Blocksize Proposal on: May 11, 2017, 12:24:59 AM
I like the idea of adaptive blocksizes. 

I also favor the idea that capacity should always outpace demand, so I think the increases have to be substantially greater than this.  I think Ethereum does it in a smart way.  If I am correct, it is something like 20% more than a moving average of actual capacity used.  This ensures blocks keep getting bigger as needed. 

How do you differentiate real demand from spam demand?

If someone like Ver decides to dump millions of dollars worth of spam transactions in order to make the blockchain huge, how do you stop this? since if it's automated, the blockchain will just adapt to this demand (even if its fake) centralizing the nodes as a result.

I just don't see how flexible blocksize schemes aren't exploitable.

Well, i think the flexibility goes both ways -- blocks can get smaller again if the space isn't being used.  That's the beauty of flexible blocks.

If someone wants to use the blockchain, and pay for it (spend millions), whether or not the transactions were useful to anyone else is kind of irrelevant.  One man's spam is another man's legit use.  But if they pay the fees and the miners agree to it, I think its ok and we shouldn't be trying to constrict the blocksizes because of it.  Better to get a little bit of bloat and make the spammers pay for all that volume than to constantly punish everyone else with high fees and restricted capacity.



" One man's spam is another man's legit use.  "

But who is benefiting other than the guy spamming the network at the expense of everyone else getting their nodes bloated with insane amount of data?

The network would grow so much and nodes would end up a nightmare to run.

For example downloading the Ethereum blockchain from scratch is hell because there are some blocks filled with spam due an attack. You have to bypass those points or its pretty much impossible to download.

With this, you are only damaging the network long term because people will not bother with downloading the blockchain.
904  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SegWit + Variable and Adaptive (but highly conservative) Blocksize Proposal on: May 10, 2017, 11:34:27 PM
I like the idea of adaptive blocksizes. 

I also favor the idea that capacity should always outpace demand, so I think the increases have to be substantially greater than this.  I think Ethereum does it in a smart way.  If I am correct, it is something like 20% more than a moving average of actual capacity used.  This ensures blocks keep getting bigger as needed. 

How do you differentiate real demand from spam demand?

If someone like Ver decides to dump millions of dollars worth of spam transactions in order to make the blockchain huge, how do you stop this? since if it's automated, the blockchain will just adapt to this demand (even if its fake) centralizing the nodes as a result.

I just don't see how flexible blocksize schemes aren't exploitable.
905  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How would buying property play out with crypto? on: May 10, 2017, 06:18:03 PM

How would buying property play out with crypto? as in would you need a specialist crypto lawyer to complete the transaction? what if the person you buy property from is terrible on secuirty and 1 day later they get hacked can they come after you saying you sent them fake payment or some BS..

With a normal financial attorney, shouldn't be that complicated. The firm would receive and convert the bitcoin, and make the purchase on your behalf with fiat. Once the btc becomes fiat, this would look like any other home purchase on paper. Bitcoin is money; all the lawyer is doing is functioning as an exchange. And you will pay dearly for this service Wink

Be your own bank! Unless these funds are illegally gained, it would be much cheaper to just sell bitcoin and buy the house with cash.

At the end of the day we still depend on the governments approving about our real state investments. This is why I think those that think bitcoin can end governments are delusional. I don't see how. If you want to buy property, there's no way around the government radar, they will always find out, so don't over complicate and just pay the taxes. You must go with fiat because theres no regulated way to accept crypto in exchange of real state.
906  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: can we admit segwit SF is never going to get 95% approval? on: May 10, 2017, 03:37:18 PM
 It's still A TIE! What's so hard to understand?
 

which means it wont get 95%.

There are three ways of activating Segwit:
1) MASF.
2) UASF with BIP 148.
3) UASF with BIP 149.

One of them is going to happen.


Does this mean that segwit will definitely happen? I am looking forward to its results. However, with the options you give, I hope you can give your opinion on its effectiveness. Which method would be better for bitcoin? Besides these advantages, is there any disadvantage?

In Lauda's self-created reality, yes, it will definitely happen.

Yes, it won't most likely ever get 95% (anything possible tho, even if unlikely) but this does not mean Buggy Unlimited will happen, so at least accept Buggy Unlimited is dead.

Maybe Bitcoin will stay as it is. Unless there is an huge agreement to UASF by all parties except Jihad Wu etc to corner him, we are not going to see segwit. So we need massive UASF support or else it's not happening.

All other scaling proposals thus far are crap.
907  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: can we admit segwit SF is never going to get 95% approval? on: May 10, 2017, 12:45:13 PM
Just more nonsense from the usual anti segwit idiots. This is just (again) block variance giving the advantage to Buggy Unlimited, that's all. It's still A TIE! What's so hard to understand?

Meanwhile, Litecoin is flying into the moon as segwit activates. Of course, segwit deniers will not admit that the market values segwit positively.
908  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BITCOIN NEXT HALVING - From 12.5 to 6.25 in less than 3 years on: May 09, 2017, 06:50:59 PM
Just think that in (almost) less than 3 years from now $BTC blocks will pay only 6 BTC to miners. Halving is near fellas, accumulate. #bitcoinhalving

http://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/


At this rate, I see bitcoin EASILY being 6 figures in 3 years. 6 BTC is just a tiny amount of coins, so im pretty sure someone owning double the reward (12+) is going to be pretty wealthy.

Eventually, anyone owning 21 or more, is going to be pretty rich.

I don't care how the scaling drama ends up, even if bitcoin stays as it is, the price will keep going up (even tho other alts will profit from the lack of scaling, but bitcoin is the cryptocurrency backbone reserve with the best devs and the most solid blockchain with the oldest history, all of those are big valuable qualities within itself)
909  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC dominance decreasing. on: May 09, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
BTC has never dropped this low. There has also never been an alt rally anywhere near this magnitude and by extension we've yet to see the subsequent bubble pop which may be louder than Krakatoa, but who knows? There may be plenty of legs left.

What people regularly forget is that all this stuff is still being made up as it goes along. Anything could still happen and nothing should be resting on its laurels because there's no shortage of pesky thingies nibbling at them.

"BTC has never dropped this low" while BTC price hits all time highs pretty much daily is pretty funny to hear.

More money is coming into the ecosystem in general, so who cares? As long as the money that is in BTC doesn't go down, we are good.

If other people want to invest USD into other coins, that's their problem. We have a lot of ways to buy alts nowadays that don't require BTC and BTC still keeps going up, and look at the alts, all red when BTC rises.
910  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buggy Unlimited crashes, AGAIN!! Price rallies. on: May 09, 2017, 01:36:52 PM
Nobody is against Bitcoin Unlimited forking and becoming what it is (an altcoin).

What we don't want is what they are doing: Trying to subvert BTC so they get to steal the BTC token. It's all a war for the BTC token, nothing more.

If they really thought their solution was better, they would fork already and use their own token and compete against BTC and people would freely choose, but they choose drama instead, at expense of every holder.

if you ignore the reddit propaganda scripts you will learn that things like BU, classic, XT, nbitcoin, BTCD and all the others do NOT want to dominate and OWN/control bitcoin.

they way a diverse and decentralised PEER network of many brands on THE SAME CHAIN/network.
all they ask is that the blocks are not stiffled at 1mb

yt the blockstream protagonists want to stifle the block to make people move their assets into the
blockstream:ELEMENTS(patented):LN
blockstream:ELEMENTS(patented):sidechain
blockstream:ELEMENTS(patented):segwit keys

simple solution

a true community uniting manatory activation of a 1 merkle 4mb block. where by native(legacy) key asset holders get more space AND segwit key opt-in users can disarm themselves to then be allowed to use voluntary services like sidechains/LN.

everyone becomes happy and the network remains peer, with only the services tiered.

however the blockstream soft agenda is a TIER network where people need to move funds to segwit keypairs to be top of the tier.

please look passed the reddit scripts, look passed the brand drama and look at things from the position of a diverse decentralised peer network. all will become clearer to you

The network doesn't improve by having competing clients, as adviced by satoshi: everyone should stick with the official (satoshi client) version. If you want different clients, create your own altcoin. This delusional notion of bitcoin being strengthened by different competing clients is stupid.

Segwit, LN, and so on are all open source protocols and anyone can develop anything they want on it. Don't confuse patent protection against trolls like Craig Wright with trying to monopolize technology.

Also /r/btc loons are already on it!

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6a3l86/bitcoin_unlimited_nodes_being_attacked_again/
911  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Buggy Unlimited crashes, AGAIN!! Price rallies. on: May 09, 2017, 12:21:41 PM


Another day, another crash for Buggy "production ready" Unlimited. I wonder how they will blame Core devs this time?

Meanwhile, BTC rallying past $1700+.

If only we could activate segwit, we could hit $10000 in no time, but LTC is going to go down in history books as the first lightning network transaction in a real blockchain (not testnet). It will get all the good news and it will hit to ATH. All this money (billions) could be on segwit if we weren't on this stalemate situation.
912  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: LTC as the gateway coin for fast and cheap BTC transactions? on: May 08, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
BTC? nope

Well, so when are we to expect the Bitcoin price to go down finally?

I don't know about Litecoin, but personally, I'm waiting for Bitcoin correction. Obviously, only to buy back what I sold at recent highs. So, according to your logic, we should necessarily see Bitcoin price if not crash, then at least decline massively (due to people dropping bitcoins like hot potatoes and going full throttle into Litecoin). But this is nowhere to be seen, it looks more like Bitcoin is consolidating right now to jump at new highs in the nearest future. I guess you should try to coherently explain this conundrum or paradox

The thing is, people don't necessarily need to drop their BTC for LTC. Now that LTC is in Coinbase which is what most people use to buy coins, people can buy it for LTC. Also there's billions in other coins and LTC is a good coin to buy and hold.

People don't want to make just more dollars, they want to make more BTC, and if you want to make more BTC, you have to hold at least 1 alt that will go up against BTC.

It's obvious that BTC will sooner or later meet a dead end in the scaling debate. LTC is already ready. The development and efforts made in LN will all be running on LTC soon and this will translate in price as more and more headlines about LTC hit the news:

http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-giving-new-life-bitcoins-experimental-tech/
913  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: LTC as the gateway coin for fast and cheap BTC transactions? on: May 08, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
I'd say NO.

There were only 11,940 litecoin transactions in the last 24 hours. See this chart:

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/litecoin-transactions.html

Litecoin hasn't even reached the 20,000 transactions they managed in 2014, let alone take some of the overflow from bitcoin.


Try reading the thread and applying logic next time, because you (like everyone else saying how "LTC has no transaction volume" or "LTC doesn't need segwit") aren't using their brains.

Try to think in long term, not now.

If things continue as they are, then who has the advantage, BTC or LTC?

You expect people to continue making low value transactions in the BTC blockchain?

People will get increasingly tired and then you'll see LTC transaction volume go up.

Also, you get segwit before you need it, or you end up like BTC. You have to get those things rolled as quick as possible. The more time passes, the harder consensus becomes in general.

So LTC did its homework, and it's ready now for mainstream global adoption.

BTC? nope.
914  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: LTC as the gateway coin for fast and cheap BTC transactions? on: May 08, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
Litecoin will be huge, everyone with a brain knows that. Bitcoin is not getting segwit, anyone that still thinks bitcoin is getting segwit is just delusional (or at least anytime soon). So pick your litecoins and enjoy the ride. There will be ups and downs because of profit taking bagholders tho, but I think the current dip was just due Poloniex fucking up and shaking weak hands. If it wasn't for that we would still be at 0.02+ so pick some before its too late.

Anyway, atomic cross chain transactions are a great thing for BTC, so both LTC and BTC will benefit.

Its very good to be optimistic about a project. I equally believe in LTC the same way you also believe in it but the issue I always have is that all the ALTs just wanted to overcome bitcoin and that is their motive and driving force. Overcoming is not even the issue but the process of overcoming is what they dont want to go through which is definitely rough. Bitcoin has undergo all this process in other to be what it is today and we are all proud of it. So, if LTC is ready to go for it no problem but be ready and brace up for the down times.

I would have thought LTC was an useless altcoin just like the rest of them, but upon analyzing the current fundamentals, seems clear to me how LTC is the missing piece in the current puzzle of a stalemate BTC that is simply incapable of any further scaling.

LTC is going to provide the fast and cheap transactions the new people that enter the cryptospace are looking for. The addition into Coinbase pretty much confirmed it will go to ATH since Coinbase is what like 99% of new people use to buy crypto.
915  Economy / Trading Discussion / How did Kraken and Poloniex go down last night at the same time? on: May 08, 2017, 02:37:48 PM
Both Kraken and Poloniex went down last night pretty much at the same time creating a massive dump of coins. I got some cheap LTC and I also saw ETH go down to 50 for some moments, it was crazy.

STR in Poloniex went down from 6000 to 2500, that one didn't recover unfortunately.


What the hell happened there?
916  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / LTC as the gateway coin for fast and cheap BTC transactions? on: May 08, 2017, 01:37:20 PM
https://segwit.org/my-vision-for-segwit-and-lightning-networks-on-litecoin-and-bitcoin-cf95a7ab656b

Bitcoin can implement Lightning Network without segwit but as we know without segwit is just not as good, but it still can give the bitcoin blockchain the ability to 'merge' with the litecoin blockchain to provide fast transactions and solve the scalability issue.

Bitcoin doesn't need to implement segwit to get LN, although it is far better if it does. Without segwit LN would require some very complex coding.

Could Litecoin be our savior after all?
917  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: PSA - Do NOT buy BTC or any alts on margin on: May 07, 2017, 11:46:42 PM
I just saw Poloniex and Kraken going down, how can two exchanges get DDosed at the same time? That was insane. ETH crashed hard and it's going back up, LTC too.

I was able to buy cheap LTC, so thanks for that Poloniex.

STR was up 150% and crashed all the way down from 6000 sats to 2500 sats, crazy.
918  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does Luke Jr expect segwit to be activated? on: May 07, 2017, 10:21:40 PM
Things seem to develop like I said before: ViaBTC is considering supporting Segwit (at least they've polled about that at Twitter). They still don't admit it but already cite the "Flippening" danger and I can imagine their resistance could soon develop into grudging support. This last tweet ("for now" they don't change their view) looks like they could be reconsidering it and it resembles a bit the F2Pool statements in the months before they supported Segwit.

An event which could the moderate pools reconsiderating their position could be Bitcoin going below of 50% of the total cryptocurrency market cap or Ethereum passing a critical mark like $100 or 33% of Bitcoin's market cap.

We are still very from that, meanwhile im feeling like the biggest idiot by not buying LTC when it was clear it was going to go up (but you always have that doubt). I just don't want to stay on the sidelines for months (years?) until the stars align and somehow we get that 95% of miners agreeing to activate it. And no, UASF will not cut it, it will create a disturbance and crush the price, LTC will keep profiting. I think it's time to admit facts: BTC is trapped in a really tricky situation and we are losing on LTC gains, if it doesn't correct soon im going to pass out.
919  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BCU or Bitcoin Unlimited for sale at Bitfinex on: May 07, 2017, 06:07:39 PM
This is business as usual. Exchanges don't give a fuck about anything that isn't making money with traffic (fees). They saw the hype of bitcoin unlimited vs bitcoin core, decide to chime in with fancy looking futures with those tokens. Well, at least it was clear to take an obvious conclusion: bitcoin unlimited will get instadumped in exchange of bitcoin core if the split ever happens.

There may be a short pump and dump ETC style but that's about it. In any case... im hoping we don't need to reach that point, having 2 bitcoins... a total disaster.
920  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does Luke Jr expect segwit to be activated? on: May 07, 2017, 03:23:36 PM
@BillyBobZorton: That's possible, but I consider it unlikely. The Big Blocker movement isn't a 2017 nor a Bitmain invention, it has been now about 2 years around (remember XT, Classic ...). There are supporters like Gavin Andresen and some respected members of the German and Spanish forums - I don't really believe they have bad intentions. If they really are all paid by Jihan, then he would have been a social engineering genius.

So I consider the big blockers' opinion and "cause" a legitimate one - but that must not mean I support it. I think the centralization danger is higher with big blocks than with Segwit and second-layer solutions.

I have more worries respect to the extreme polarization of the community. This polarization could lead to the scenario I have outlined above to fail. That would mean: There would be a class of miners and pools that rather would allow a "Flippening" than to support Segwit. That's why in my opinion we - the Segwit supporters - therefore should try to convince the moderate fraction of the Big Blockers side to adopt Segwit and don't ignore their opinions, e.g. with a compromise solution like I said above.

Roger Ver, for example, has stated in late 2016 that he would support Segwit if it gets majority support. Now that Segwit blocks are nearing the 50% mark, we should remind him - kindly! - of this promise. But if "Core maximalists" accuse him constantly to have bad intentions then he's not likely to fulfill his promise.

Well, at least Gavin Andressen is on record supporting Segwit, but I can't take a guy that said he wanted a benevolent dictator (remember the Mike Hearn/XT insanity) serious. He also keeps talking about BU which we all know it just doesn't work.

Roger Ver has said tons of things, he always changes his stance, I wouldn't give that any importance. Also as of right now we are still tied with BUcoin blocks. All we see is just simple block variance: it is a tie.

The speculator in me wants to buy a big ton of LTC because I don't see this situation resolving, or not anytime soon. But at the same time, it does feel like buying at the top of a pump.
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