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901  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If You Had 20Bitcoin To Trade With... on: November 20, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
20BTC is big amount, if i have thats amount for trading i will separate my BTC to multiple exchange not only in one exchange:
5 BTC save on my wallet for reserve fund
5 BTC in first exchange for trading btc to fiat
2 BTC in second exchange like poloniex for trading altcoin
2 BTC in third exchange like bittrex for trading altcoin too
1 BTC in fourth exchange like c-cex for trading altcoin
5 BTC invest in a couple interesting ICOs
but all activity have risk but have big profit too if we have good strategy

i really doubt you can maximize the potential of those amount which is separated into various affair,sometimes focusing in one thing is more good than multitasking but the result can't maximal,i guess putting the funds for altcoin trading in one exchanger is just enough

I see your point here but not all altcoins are listed in 1 exchange so you need another trading platform that listed your desired altcoins to trade with.  With proper management and focus this is not too many task to do.  this is also following the rule of not putting your egg in one basket, some market does not perform well, so diversifying it by trading another altcoin may save you from the failure of one of your investment.
How about making a gambling site, pretty simple idea but it's gonna work because gambling sites are profitable and people are willing to lose their money. Having a gambling site will provide me profit in a regular basis and it would be easy for me to improve my business.

I plan to have a sports book.
902  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin traders, why don't you just trade forex? on: November 20, 2016, 12:01:20 PM
I see there are a lot of first time traders trading Bitcoin via the hack exchanges of MtGox and Tradehill.  It makes me wonder, why don't you guys just trade real forex?  You can open micro accounts with as little as $25.  You get security far better than these shady exchanges.  You get real customer service with a real business that won't disappear and leave you only an email address to cry to.  You get real trading platforms with reliable data, not some ghetto hack stuff.  You get plenty of liquidity, which allows of smooth trading.  And, best of all, you don't have to worry whether it's legal or not!  Trading is hard enough as it is, why anyone would want all these additional factors working against them is beyond me.

So, to all the bitcoin traders out there... what are your reasons for trading these shady, unsafe bitcoin markets over regular FX?
Bro According to Me Its About Knowledge and Experience That If Someone Has Knowledge About Forex Trading Then How He Can Do Bitcoin Trading and On the Other Hand If Someone Have Knowledge Of Bitcoin Trading Then How He Can Do Forex Trading.....
So its Clear That One Who Knows Bitcoin Trading then the Bitcoin Trading is Better For Him But Its Upon the Trader to Choose a Reputable and Legit Exchange......
One thing that attracts traders to choose crypto than forex is the minimum amount they an use to start, if you say that $25 is a micro amount but here even $1 you can start trading, less risky for you especially if you are starting up and that makes it a big difference.
903  Economy / Economics / Re: WILL BITCOIN BE USED BY ALMOST EVERYONE IN 2022? on: November 20, 2016, 03:49:27 AM
A very low percentage of the world's population uses bitcoin right now. Even with gaining popularity, by 2022, it will still be very low. The growth is very slow.
Absolutely, we cannot expect the whole world will use bitcoin because there's paper money that's simple and easy to use.We do not need to use internet to transact and not all people are thinking of seeing their money grow to invest in bitcoin.

Majority of the people are just working for survival.
904  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst mistake in gambling on: November 20, 2016, 02:52:28 AM
The worst mistake i ever did is when win big money in a casino site and then lost it all when come back again to play
Well, lot of people are like that also they come back to the casino or gambling site for them to get back what they lose but actually they will just lose again. And you cannot recover for whatever reason because you didn't notice that it is already an addicted illness in gambling.
to me i made so may mistakes in gambling from time to time, as for so many time i invested a lot money in gambling and lost my all money that i have at that time, but after that i promise that i will never exceed the limit of my playing gambling.
So it's just like you are saying you have been scammed many times in gambling, I though investing is profitable but in your experience it's different. I guess you need to study well the site you are trusting your money before jumping on it.
905  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: November 20, 2016, 01:52:18 AM
I have always worked to have money. When it was time, and even on the internet earnings was not, then I have worked hard physically and extracted what I need.
Having a different source of income is good, you can have your work online and you can have your work in real world as well. That's how people do when you are in desperate need of money because we have a lot of needs we have to attend and we need money for that.
906  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your aim in gambling???? on: November 20, 2016, 01:35:42 AM
Well I aim to get more money than what I've deposit. But I don't sometimes care on what I aim there since it all depends on luck so its better not to aim on something that can't really happen. Well whatever happens to you just fell free to at least have on fun on doing things and chatting to those people who are gambling too.
very honestly i am also playing gambling for making money, as to me there is no fun or entertainment in gambling if you are loosing money you can only enjoy gambling and can get entertain from it and making fun if you are making money in gambling otherwise gambling is one of the most boring activity of the world if you are losing money in gambling.
That's the thing, there's more fun in gambling if you are winning but if we lose we will live a miserable life for a day but come back again. So fun and money cannot be denied that it's what we are looking for, easy money is fun so we are here in gambling.
907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is their any safe methods to gamble? on: November 20, 2016, 01:25:48 AM
gambling is pure risk and when there is risk involved there would never be any safety so you all should stop looking for safe methods because you will just waste your time and get disappointed.
Hehe well, that is your understanding. But for gamblers. taking risk is more exciting, and in gambling there are a lot of excitement happenings. because there are money involving here. And they just want to know which will be much more safest way to earn in gambling. and for me. safest way in gambling is just bet in a small amount so that you can play longer and you can have more chances to win than to bet big amounts.  Grin
the only excitement and fun in gambling i present if you are making money in gambling, once you start losing money gambling become one of the most worst game of the world so to me the most safest method of playing gambling is to limit your gambling up to certain limit that you an afford to lose. and that is the only safest way of playing gambling.
You hate it when you lose your money but that is for temporary because you will be able to go back again and gamble. I have made a lot of promises before when I lose big that I will not gamble again but now, I am still gambling and I think most of us have that kind of thinking.
908  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is unpredictable job. on: November 20, 2016, 01:03:38 AM
That really depends, however you can predict " a little bit" when you are experienced trader, and you feel comfortable with having such a job.
It is all about gains, but good, successful trader can get his "goal" every month, and he is never greedy- so if someone is well educated in trading, you can really live off from the trader's salary.
If you use technical analysis and you are good at it you could see the trends of the coin and in a way predict with some degree of accuracy the movement of bitcoin and profit from it.
A method is really necessary and when you have the data you can analyze it to predict the price movement of bitcoin.That is already the basic and must be understood by every trader who wanted to be successful in his unpredictable job. One thing is certain, our needs is regular but our income is not in trading, therefore we do not have to rely in it as our main source of income.
Nothing says people are not making a living off of trading the cryptocurrencies or fiats. Everything boils down to a trader's knowledge, experience and scale of trading. If you are a versed trader and with good enough trading capital, then managing your funds through informed market decisions would surely leave you with more winnings than losses. There is no way to not lose from time to time, but your knowledge and experience would steer one safe form chaos.
There are people making good money out of trading no doubt about it but they are a minority and it’s very likely they are not spending too much time in the forum and instead they are out there in the markets making money.
Yeah, because they have their money to use as their capital. Most of us here in this forum because we work for a small amount of pay but if we get more matured, we can see more opportunity and we can grab them, there's no age restriction here, even we are teenager as long as we are open minded and we want to make money we have equal opportunity.
909  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much time to 30 losses on a roll on: November 20, 2016, 12:54:08 AM
Same here i never experience that in dice game 30 loses streak maybe 15 i experience this like other said it is impossible to experience that if you chance of winning is 49% and 1% houseedge. But i heard someone before that experience almost 20+ lose streak.
Maybe it will be possible if i continues to bet and gamble for long run and reduce the chance of winning into 30%.
That would be devastating if you put a huge amount as your bankroll, 30 rolls seems a nightmare for everyone here. I cannot imagine myself in that situation, good thing I do not use martingale too much in dice.
910  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much time to 30 losses on a roll on: November 19, 2016, 12:31:18 PM
i use to personally experience losing 22 straight loses with my bitsler dice experience im using some copy youtube strategy and thinking that its really working so i decided to just keep it open and leave my pc suddenly i when i went back i see everything was already been eaten and when i check the history of my bets i loss 22 straights, lesson learned never entrust your gambling with a copy paste strategy.
I think i have also seen that video by some fat guy in youtube who have shown few screenshots (which i really doubt are real) to lure to different dice site using his referral link. I have learned this lesson that no any strategy or script will work on any gambling sites specially in dice sites long time ago.
Only our experience can confirm it, we have learn a lot when we are gambling in dice and we have proven that any method will not work overtime due to the house edge and we are subject of losing in the long run. I believe a lot of people knows that but only few want to accept the reality.
911  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: bitcoin casino affilates on: November 19, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
I recommend nitrogensports.eu, they have high rollers there and you can tell it you can see in the chat of the members sharing their bets. You just have to be lucky to invite under your referral a high roller. Me, I just earn 0.003 every day at minimum.
912  Economy / Economics / Re: Reason why you should Buy bitcoin now on: November 19, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
Blockchain isn't bitcoin!

It won't make the prices goes up.

Things that can make the price pump is economy crash is some country, legalization of the coin and things that can bring more buyers.

The time is for buying alts.
You have so much trust with alts buddy, I do not think where would they go if the price of bitcoin will continue to increase. I do buy alts as well but not for longer investment, I just trade it as it's more volatile than bitcoin.
913  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: November 19, 2016, 08:45:46 AM
I think the best way for a steady income is the only work in the real world, a fixed income of bitcoin, it will be very difficult, even when you joined the signature campaign. Undecided
Working in the real world give us monthly salary and saving that in the comming future in our life it's not really dificult to work if you really love what you are doing in your workd and signature campaign is not a good steady income because signature campaign is only for weeks nor months.
yes i agree but the op asked steady income in btc not working in real life.
steady income in btc i think not too difficult, if you do in mining, i think that's "whitout actively doing anything"
well, mining can make us earn a fixed income, but for the price that we be patient, as it may be revenue generated Minning was not much. maybe we should have a target for revenue every month, so it feels like we have a fixed salary. Well, you can develop a bitcoin that you have through trading
yeah right but i think it is good to start a business online than mining because the revenue is or earnings in mining bitcoin is not fixed.. it is changing. .but if you can start a business like exchange site it can be a good passive income..
If you can build a exchange like bitcoin to paypal and paypal to bitcoin it can many more people that can exchange to your site with low fee than virwox..
You are so ambitious man, you have to ensure you have the capital to start an exchange site. It is not that easy to say to have that, although the plan is good but how to ensure we can implement it so it will not remain as a dream. Being realistic is what we need here.
914  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Freedom on: November 19, 2016, 08:31:37 AM
The presence of almost all the money makes us in some way free. We can buy that we wish, we can travel, we become independent. It does not matter Bitcoin is either a dollar or ruble
If you have the money, it seems to me there is no difference in what currency they prenadlezhat. Thus for any currency to buy another currency, and as you rightly said, it is possible thanks to travel around the world.


Yes. Bitcoin is Freedom. Financial Freedom, Freedom to earn, Freedom of not paying tax. we can buy the things we want from bitcoins because most of us i'm sure most of us earning bitcoins as extra income.  Thanks to Bitcoins, now i can pay my bills via online and no need to fall in line. it is actually a hassle free transactions.

I like to choose the freedom of not paying taxes. At least we can maximize our income here and we will not share to our corrupt government, it's enough that I have been tax with my salary but hiding my real income is another privilege.
915  Economy / Economics / Re: Should I believe in Bitcoin ? on: November 19, 2016, 08:28:44 AM
Should I believe in Bitcoin ?
I have 10k $ and maybe going to buy  , but I doubt the further development of Bitcoin and I'm afraid to lose money! Can you convince me or dissuaded from buying?
I suggest you to buy it. Trade or just put it in your wallet. Wait the rate of bitcoin to rise, then you can earn profit. Yet, in wating the rate of bitcoin, check it atleast once a month to ensure to you didn't lost you money

Yeah,. Indeed it is more profitable and pleasant in bitcoin is buying a lot of bitcoin or some bitcoin, once it saves it until the price of the bitcoin higher and gives us greater advantage of investment profits or other things. There is no better things besides bitcoin, because using bitcoin system that is very different and certainly will give us an advantage when willing to patiently wait for him
We invest for the future even knowing it's risky because we do believe that bitcoin will give us what we dream of. By investing, it's already an action to  prove that we believe in bitcoin and we can always tell to ourselves that it's good that we have tried to risk because we are gonna succeed.
916  Economy / Economics / Re: The Future of Money? on: November 19, 2016, 08:14:40 AM
Not sure if it's brought up in this thread, but it may be that most governments are playing around with the bitcoin/blockchain technology just to get an idea of where the future of money is heading. I may as well be wrong about that.
We will know in the future, if the government will create theirs and they will have the similar system as bitcoin it does not guarantee that people will adopt, they are still centralized and people wants decentralized to have full freedom and privacy of their money.
917  Economy / Economics / Re: Holdings of gold vs Holdings of btc on: November 19, 2016, 08:09:50 AM
Theres  no actual or precise  statistics  with this on  how  many people do  store gold  and  bitcoins  on  their  possesions. No one would  know  hence its an  investments  and   never  be shown or tell  on  public. Like  gold its a precious  metal  and people would not really tend to tell anyone  regarding on their  holdings. Unlike bitcoin  which  is an  anonymous  thing  and  its  really  hard to tell the actual  numbers of users  worldwide.
Of course, otherwise they will get rob if they will let the public know. Even in bank they observed the bank secrecy law considering bankers know our holding and anytime they can divulge that if they wanted to violate the bank secrecy law.
918  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: November 19, 2016, 08:07:43 AM
I think it was a pretty good idea, houses could also rise in value, and you can resell it for a profit as well. but the problem is whether the person who sold his house to be aware and know about Bitcoins and will accept Bitcoins as payment method?
i think he was talking about exchanging bitcoin for fiat and then buying a house. although there are people selling houses for bitcoin it is not really common and i do not see the need to do so. oh and btw a house can also go down in value, so you need to be aware what you are buying.
Yeah, because that's the only possible way where you can buy a house using your bitcoin. I have not seen any business yet that accept bitcoin as payment for selling a house and lot, it's impossible to do it considering the legal matters that needs to be attach in the transaction.
919  Economy / Economics / Re: Why do you buy Bitcoins? on: November 19, 2016, 08:04:20 AM
Bitcoin is the best choice to invest your money
if you have a lot of btc your will be rich in the future, because the price of bitcoin is increase in the future
and you can seen right now, the price is 750 usd.
Having a lot of BTC will already make you rich and you just have to cash it out, what will grow when we are investing is the value but not the volume of bitcoin, we have to understand that and of course we need to have a definite timeline or expected value to sell and not be greedy.
920  Economy / Economics / Re: How good are you at managing your money on: November 19, 2016, 07:48:58 AM
i think i am not good at managing my money because its really difficult to manage the money itself and i have an habit to spend my money to buy like food, stuff, clothes and i don't make a note what stuff that i am buy, and almost all the stuff i am buying, i can't remember when and where i am buy and how much the price. i think i will learn to manage my money so i can handle my problem for future.

I would suggest that don't make spending of your money as an 'habit'. Because if you will make it as an habit then probably you will have problems on how you will manage your money. And those people who are able to hold and manage their money properly are those people who knows how to spend their money wisely, just spend wisely and don't make it as habit.
Spending is just normal I guess but you need to learn how to control yourself in spending. There are things that you need to consider and savings is one of the most important thing to do. Spend more on basic needs and control spending on your wants.
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