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9081  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: May 06, 2014, 08:46:31 PM


The very fact people here can compare themselves to apes if proof they are not.


Motivation is the driving force that causes the flux from desire to will in life. For example, hunger is a motivation that elicits a desire to eat.

Motivation has been shown to have roots in physiological, behavioral, cognitive, and social areas. Motivation may be rooted in a basic impulse to optimize well-being, minimize physical pain and maximize pleasure. It can also originate from specific physical needs such as eating, sleeping or resting, and sex.

Motivation is an inner drive to behave or act in a certain manner. These inner conditions such as wishes, desires and goals, activate to move in a particular direction in behavior.



Is to state "I have no purpose in life" a lie?

Just stemming from this last idea...

I had spent some time trying to answer the "What is the purpose of life?" question, and I came up with the following:

Premise 1: The purpose of a purpose is to be purposeful according to whatever constitutes a purpose.
Premise 2: The purpose of life is to be purposeful according to whatever constitutes life.
Premise 3: Living constitutes life.
Therefore: The purpose of life is to live.



So then Life is the ultimate perpetual motion generator that created itself from a purposeless state of

9082  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: May 06, 2014, 08:30:05 PM


The very fact people here can compare themselves to apes if proof they are not.


Motivation is the driving force that causes the flux from desire to will in life. For example, hunger is a motivation that elicits a desire to eat.

Motivation has been shown to have roots in physiological, behavioral, cognitive, and social areas. Motivation may be rooted in a basic impulse to optimize well-being, minimize physical pain and maximize pleasure. It can also originate from specific physical needs such as eating, sleeping or resting, and sex.

Motivation is an inner drive to behave or act in a certain manner. These inner conditions such as wishes, desires and goals, activate to move in a particular direction in behavior.



Is to state "I have no purpose in life" a lie?
9083  Other / Politics & Society / Re: PUTIN SIGNS LAW BANNING PROFANITY IN FILM, THEATER, BOOKS, AND MUSIC on: May 06, 2014, 08:13:11 PM
I bet many of the devout Evangelicals that read Breitbart have little to no issue w/ this limiting of speech. The puritans love the limitations of all things deemed against their version of the Good Book but are the first to scream bloody murder if a Nativity scene on public property is taken down for religious sensitivity reasons. Just my perception from a spectator's angle having known so many of these types. I'm all for religious freedom, but for everyone and not at the expense of anyone. I guess my main point is that there's some commonality here on restricting social freedom w/ the similar sentiments that arise in the puritan religious camps.


Chef Ramsay's Best Insults

You are not welcome in Russia  Grin


9084  Other / Politics & Society / PUTIN SIGNS LAW BANNING PROFANITY IN FILM, THEATER, BOOKS, AND MUSIC on: May 06, 2014, 07:09:15 PM



According to the Wall Street Journal, the new law covers all works of art produced after July 1. Films with profanity will not receive state distribution licenses, keeping them out of theaters, and books will require warnings on the cover should they contain foul language. Public performances of theater works are prohibited from using swearing, and even certain bloggers considered mass media could be fined.

The Journal notes that bloggers with more than 3,000 page views will be forced to adhere to anti-swearing legislation beginning in August. The definition of "blogger" is not entirely clear from the legislation, however, so it is unclear whether the law will apply to microbloggers on sites like Twitter or more extended posts on social media platforms like VKontakte.
The law has triggered some outrage with those who see it as a return to Soviet values of limited speech and note that Russian language has a rich history of colorful language. The BBC notes that the Communist Party restricted artists in the Soviet Union from using "'decadent' Western fashions" and implored them to "stick to traditional values," whatever the Party deemed those to be.

The legislation also leaves a mystery which words, exactly, will be targeted. New York magazine has some unrepeatable suggestions, which they note the Moscow Times reported the Institution of Russian Language at the Russian Academy of Sciences declared the cornerstones of Russian language profanity. Interestingly, despite the law apparently targeting art exclusively, New York notes that a spokesperson for the Ministry of Culture told the Moscow Times that "new strictures will be limited to pop culture and will not apply to matters of art: 'It will be up to the artistic director to decide what to do with swearing, whether to break the new law or not, we will not interfere in the process.'” The spokesperson added that the law was "not aggressive."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/05/06/Putin-Signs-Law-Banning-Profanity-in-Film-Theater-Books-and-Music



9085  Other / Politics & Society / Re: America's biggest serial killer, abortionist Kermit Gosnell & the media cover-up on: May 06, 2014, 06:43:06 PM

Grand Jury report on the crimes of Kermit Gosnell Part 6

http://youtu.be/cOHxeGLf9LY

9086  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is China silently conquering Africa? on: May 06, 2014, 06:23:41 PM

The price of gold: Chinese mining in Ghana documentary

9087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers. on: May 06, 2014, 06:19:12 PM
Science is all about questioning the "experts".  Once that stops, it is no longer science.

wasnt the basic of science was to have a hypothesis, questions to the unkowns, and to show facts? that was my view of science was suppose to be based on.

According to the human made climate change supporters, this is exactly what they've been doing all that time. The people who question their methodology are the non scientists, and should be banned.
9088  Local / Hors-sujet / Re: Dieudonné M'bala M'bala bientôt forcé d'accepter les bitcoins? on: May 06, 2014, 06:03:56 PM


This thread is dead.
9089  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: May 06, 2014, 05:54:33 PM

  
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What do you mean by need? I think essentially everything is the result of gravity. Without it what would could exist?

  not gravity, it is such a weak force
Electricity, instead.
the sun an anode, the deep void the ground
plasma is everywhere, they say, making up 99.999% of all there is
and it conducts electricity
you blink an eye, electric current at the synapses, through the nerves, the eye is refreshed, life goes on

even as you are electric, the universe is electric

  I am that I am.  i am he, so are you.

  energy cannot be created, or destroyed.
      = death is an illusion

valentine michael smith (R.A.H. Stranger in a Strange Land) said it best:

  "Thou art God"




Couldn't Evolution be a a... hmm..  Super Weak Force?
We understand the mechanism and the purpose of an eye. What I do not understand is why the waste of so much energy to create one to evolve through billions of generations, imperceptible only after a certain time? The eye is an interface for your consciousness. One of many. Even mute deaf blind people from birth, if no other birth defect, will have a conscience, will eventually learn how to communicate, even have a social life. But why go through so much when the genesis state of pure energy would have been the most peaceful and eternal one?

A force is "pushing" basic things to evolve. I was wondering if it could be gravity... Thus gravity is the core of consciousness creation. If that is the case then consciousness should have a mass one can measure.


9090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: May 06, 2014, 05:35:28 PM
Why is the stuff on the periodic table need to create more complex structures ... ?

"need" implies a sort of universal purpose which I don't think there's a reason to assume.

Why not simply be what they are forever? Is gravity the answer from a genesis of pure energy, even before the concept of pure chaos?

(n.b. the below is a highly simplified explanation - the more complicated version is beyond my understanding)

We know that matter and energy are equivalent, as cryptodevil points out. The fundamental forces that affect energy give rise to complex equations, the solutions of which are the various types of particle we observe as matter. The n-body equations derived from the forces affecting a small subset of those particles (protons, electrons and neutrons) give rise to the structure and properties of the elements on the periodic table, which make up us, our planet and the vast majority of the matter that we observe.

Why are the fundamental forces calibrated the way that they are? Why do they affect the particles that they do? Why is there matter at all? Why is there more matter than antimatter? These are some of the great unanswered questions in physics.

I think therefore I am= Consciousness. Is Consciousness Energy? Does Consciousness have a mass?

Therefore E=mc2=Conciousness. Could that be correct?

"I think, therefore I am" is hardly a natural law from which to derive physical conclusions. As far as I see it, consciousness is not some special physical phenomenon of its own - we are essentially programs running on large, complex, biological computers that have evolved in order to effectively reproduce our host bodies, and we are as mundane and explainable as the electronic computers that we have recently learned to build (albeit far more complex). It is as nonsensical to ask "what happens to our consciousness after we die" as it is to ask "what happens to the computer after it is taken apart?"


So Life creates the hardware and the software, based on a total lack of purpose for it to do so, using pure chaos and luck as its engine. So then Consciousness is a byproduct of pure chaos, the only byproduct that we can use to give a meaning to everything?

9091  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela on: May 06, 2014, 04:59:58 PM
Billions unaccounted for in Venezuela's communal giveaway program

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/06/us-venezuela-communes-special-report-idUSBREA450CA20140506

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The unsupervised spending in El Chaparral is symptomatic of a vast community aid effort with lax financial controls. A network of more than 70,000 community groups has received the equivalent of at least $7.9 billion since 2006 from the federal agency that provides much of the financing for the program, Reuters calculates, based on official government reports.

The universal law of Rust and Decay...
9092  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs on: May 06, 2014, 04:14:01 PM
Does your bigotry extend to followers of any form of mysticism? Just Muslims? Just those with brown skin? Is it the beards? Their scary halal foods? Help us understand your fear so that we might help you overcome it.

This is usually it. Has Wilikon started many threads with an anti-Christian agenda? I don't really have a problem with people being intolerant of religions, just as long as they're intolerant of them all or treat them with an equal amount of disrespect  Grin, but singling out just Islam is a little cliche, and we all know there's an agenda under the surface.

So your answer is (3)  Wink

I think your bigotry was well established before you posted. At least when Bryant voices his support for Neo-Nazism he does so using his own name.

Where has he voiced this, and are you sure Bryant Coleman is his real name?  Cheesy

But isn't as cliché to start a thread about Christianity too? I am just here to bring a bit of... fair and balance...  Wink


Should bitcoin wiki allow links to christian religious services?
22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution (my thread, thank you very much)
I found a Christian I actually agree with
History of Christianity
Christian school complains 8-year-old girl isn't girly enough

But usually there isn’t much fair and balance. And I was just using Christianity as an example, but feel free to start them about any and all religions, not just Christianity and Islam.

I am free to start any thread I want... as long as our Gods, the Bitcointalk Gods, the only ones that count here, allow this to be the case. But even them have to face an FBI investigation if any of us, Ohh! Devout Bitcoin believers would commit any kind of criminal acts. So technically the name "Wilikon" would not protect me as I am not behind a 1000 proxies and other VPN.

Seriously though only threads about the religions of Christianity and Islam bring the bacon, err... I meant the moolah in passionate replies  Cheesy


9093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: May 06, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
Goodness me, the level of misunderstanding and outright misrepresentation being shown here is staggering.
'Spiritualists', first stop assuming that such a thing as a 'spirit' exists and then seeking to cherry-pick information to support your assumption.

We are a brain that functions as a filter, otherwise the sheer amount of data our senses receive would absolutely render us incapable of functioning. Our sense of 'self' is that filter. All information we currently have about the brain suggest this to be so.

'Intelligent Design' Creationists, no, no you may not keep pointing us in the direction of shonky science 'proof' that, likewise, serves to misrepresent data in order to work backwards to your intended aim of claiming your assertion as anything more than utterly baseless wild speculation.

What is it about theism that encourages so much dishonesty?

@Joint - Warmth, you've been told already is not definable outside of subjective personal sensory perspective. Otherwise it is simply a 'temperature' objectively measurable by technologies we create to do so.

The 'feeling' you get at one level of 'warmth' is not going to be the same 'feeling' I get, or someone else gets. Our brain, our body, creates sensory feedback from reactions from the radiation of heat across nerves which fire information to the brain and gets translated into 'warmth' as a rapid way for us to interpret the level of heat in order to what? Yes, in order to ensure we react to it quick enough not to get burnt! It allows us to respond without actually having to spend time thinking about it.

Without nerve signalling to the brain, in cases where there is numbness, people find themselves only knowing they are burning their skin when they smell it cooking.

@Wilikon - E=MC2 In a nutshell, matter is energy slowed down. Matter and energy interact with different types of matter and energy to create, guess what, different matter and energy types!


I think therefore I am= Consciousness. Is Consciousness Energy? Does Consciousness have a mass?

Therefore E=MC2=Conciousness. Could that be correct?



9094  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Real Time Socialist Train Wreck (again) Happening Now in Venezuela on: May 06, 2014, 03:45:42 PM




complaining that the socialist government's currency controls are preventing them from importing essential products due to restrictions and delays in purchases of dollars.

Workers, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said the plant in the central city of Valencia would be paralyzed until the end of May.

Transport Minister Haiman El Troudi confirmed the stoppage at the plant but said it should reopen in two weeks after a meeting between Ford representatives and government officials that resolved some "critical bottlenecks."

The minister said state currency board Cencoez would release $20 million in debt to Ford this week.

Toyota Motor Corp <7203.T> halted vehicle assembly in Venezuela in February for the same reasons.

Venezuela's struggling auto industry saw first-quarter production fall 76 percent to just 3,424 vehicles, compared with 14,316 units in the same period of 2013, according to national automakers' organization Cavenez.

Ford assembled only 499 cars in the first three months of 2014.

Automobiles are just one sector of many where President Nicolas Maduro's government is facing clamor to release more dollars for imports. He says unscrupulous businessmen exaggerate needs in order to flip dollars on the black market for profit.

But nevertheless ministers are holding urgent meetings with business heads to try and resolve problems and help reverse the slide in local production.

Venezuela operates three exchange controls - at 6.3 bolivars per dollar for preferential goods, and at around 11 and 50 for other sectors via two Central Bank mechanisms.

The dollar is trading at about 66-68 bolivars on the black market, according to illegal web sites that track it.



http://www.businessinsider.com/r-ford-suspends-vehicle-assembly-in-venezuela-2014-05#!JvJPd

9095  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs on: May 06, 2014, 03:40:36 PM
Does your bigotry extend to followers of any form of mysticism? Just Muslims? Just those with brown skin? Is it the beards? Their scary halal foods? Help us understand your fear so that we might help you overcome it.

This is usually it. Has Wilikon started many threads with an anti-Christian agenda? I don't really have a problem with people being intolerant of religions, just as long as they're intolerant of them all or treat them with an equal amount of disrespect  Grin, but singling out just Islam is a little cliche, and we all know there's an agenda under the surface.

So your answer is (3)  Wink

I think your bigotry was well established before you posted. At least when Bryant voices his support for Neo-Nazism he does so using his own name.

Where has he voiced this, and are you sure Bryant Coleman is his real name?  Cheesy

But isn't as cliché to start a thread about Christianity too? I am just here to bring a bit of... fair and balance...  Wink


Should bitcoin wiki allow links to christian religious services?
22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution (my thread, thank you very much)
I found a Christian I actually agree with
History of Christianity
Christian school complains 8-year-old girl isn't girly enough





9096  Other / Politics & Society / Re: National Russian card payment system established on: May 06, 2014, 03:23:07 PM
Sounds awkward, creating a Russia based payment network. Visitors to Russia will have to find some apolitical, universal payment network that is difficult to block...

Bitcoin?  Grin
9097  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs on: May 06, 2014, 03:18:32 PM
So your answer is (3)  Wink

I think your bigotry was well established before you posted. At least when Bryant voices his support for Neo-Nazism he does so using his own name.

Can you answer my questions?

Does your bigotry extend to followers of any form of mysticism? Just Muslims? Just those with brown skin? Is it the beards? Their scary halal foods? Help us understand your fear so that we might help you overcome it.

This is an open thread used as a vehicle to try to understand each other. The more you participate, the more I understand.

You are free to use your own name if you want Smiley
9098  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs on: May 06, 2014, 03:11:30 PM
Is Sharia Laws above any nation's laws?
1) Yes

This is the closest to correct.
Religious laws are disjoint to national laws, because there are essentially optional.
They are 'above' in the sense or covering greater area/population than any single nation's laws, and in the sense of adding on to them, but not in the sense of removing them.
People must obey the laws of the country they live in, or be punished.
Religious people may choose to obey extra religious laws, but the legal system of the country they live in has no interest in whether they do or not.
Religious rules would be a better terms than religious laws.
If you want to choose not to eat pork, go ahead.

Thank you for participating. Yes I know jews and muslims who love their pepperoni pizza.
So as long as any religious groups makes the same distinction as you did, then it is upon the pious to follow its faith in parallel to a nation's law, but never above it.

9099  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs on: May 06, 2014, 03:02:34 PM
Is Sharia Laws above any nation's laws?

Is Jewish law above any nation's laws? What about Christian law? Hindu law?

What does "above" mean?

Does your bigotry extend to followers of any form of mysticism? Just Muslims? Just those with brown skin? Is it the beards? Their scary halal foods? Help us understand your fear so that we might help you overcome it.

So your answer is (3)  Wink
9100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: May 06, 2014, 02:59:47 PM
the design of the human being is the ultimate proof of existence of soemthing intellectual.

can chaos theory bring order?

This is one of the most common sceptical queries about evolution, i.e. "why would simple/chaotic things spontaneously become more complex/ordered?"

The answer, of course, is that they didn't. With each generation of (e.g.) self-replicating prebiotic organic chemicals:

  • some were replicated with variations that made them more complex
  • some were replicated perfectly
  • some were replicated with variations that made them less complex

All completely at random (chaotic). The non-random (non-chaotic) process is natural selection - the prebiotic chemicals whose variations made them more likely to 'survive' and self-replicate replaced those without such variations. And so on and so forth, to single and multi-celled seagoing organisms, to reptiles, to small and then large land mammals, to primates, to hominids, to us.

The reason life has become more complex is simply that complex organisms are (generally) better at surviving and reproducing than very simple organisms, and so natural selection has tended towards complexity.



Why is there a need for mutations, for generations after generations from a cloud of pure energy from the bigbang? Is Evolution, and ultimately consciousness, the result of gravity?



What do you mean by need? I think essentially everything is the result of gravity. Without it what would could exist?

Why is the stuff on the periodic table need to create more complex structures to ultimately create consciousness? Why not simply be what they are forever? Is gravity the answer from a genesis of pure energy, even before the concept of pure chaos?


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