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Maybe they pay because other people lose. If I would have cleared their account I bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't have gotten shit.
Bottom line:
They slandered me and will not post any Timestamps=Not cool.
King you shouldn't have to brown nose every one in fear they will block you/not pay out ect. (Which is why you wanted to stay out of it)
I swear I will always take your bets/pay out.
Same odd's if not better than Bitbook.biz, you can keep your BTC in your own wallet (no escrow ect.) You PM a bet. If I respond "bet" it is on. Truthfully that is safer than having BTC with anyone, I will accept bets from anyone with rep like you.
Keep your money until you lose... Isn't that how betting works? I've NEVER given my money to a bookie first and expected to get it back. (Please try me out seriously.)
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You will not see a timestamp produced from Bitbook.biz because I escrow-ed my information before the Williams game was even complete.
I have provided the best time stamps I could comparing my PM's/public posts compared to my .1 deposit.
My timestamps (pm and .1BTC blockchain) alone is enough to prove that I was public with the problem BEFORE the account was frozen.
I did however PM the site after the accounts were frozen because I didn't want to bother them if a problem didn't exist.
Bitbook.biz has, at this point, has shown their true colors to the community. It was never my intention on bashing them.
Hell! I was a customer!!!!!!!!!
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How is anyone seeing what bitbook did is right?
Thats pure insanity.
The guy emailed another reputable company with his findings, for this very reason. Bitbook gets butt hurt because he found a serious flaw, and auto accuses him of scamming and threatens to hold his coins.
It's pretty cut and dry. Bitbook fucked up, then they want to punish OP for it.
It is NOT OP's job to help them fix a site bug. Can bitbook freeze or ban his account? Sure. Thats their choice. Thats fine. But to keep his coins. NEVER is that right, ever. Bitbook can guess at his intent, but I tend to think that since he PM'd all the info to a third party, reputable company, before proceeding, that he was trying to test to see if the site had a clear security leak, or if it would be noticed.
We will never know if the OP wouldd have kept the coins. But think on this:
If he wanted to keep the coins, wouldnt he have loaded him one account, made all kinds of bets, then transferred them to one other account and cashed out? What he did makes absolutely no sense for a scammer to do.
All you people who are saying you respect and are now a customer of bitbook for life after this are insane. They handled this piss poorly.
OP, glad you got your coins back. I see what you tried to do. It's what any person who tests sites for flaws would do. Obviously these people here have no idea what bug testing is for. Good on you sir.
Hit the nail on the head, thank you. Upon re-reading the thread, bitbook does seem quite sketchy.
Should I paint them red, or...?
Thank you for re-reading, if anyone thinks I was wrong please please please take 10 minutes and reread. I believe Bitbook.biz should pay for having this exposed on their site. I have seen tons of post of bug's being found and donations being given.
I want to make a pledge. 80% of anything donated from Bitbook.biz will be donated to BitCoinTalk.org 5% will be given to my escrow 5% will be given to everyone sends Bitbook.biz a PM urging them to do the right thing (post here count as the same thing) 10% will be kept for myself All funds can be sent to John K to be distributed.   You are going to get 0. Stop trying seriously. They aren't going to go from "he's a scammer" to giving you BTC. For one they won't do that cause they still think you scammed, 2 that would look very bad for business if they call someone a scammer and next minute they call them a helper. A: They already look bad for business B: They already went from keeping my BTC/donating to giving them back. Edit: C: No offense, you said you don't want to be involved. So don't be. |
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Proud to sell our first BTC in AR region via Bank Deposit
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How is anyone seeing what bitbook did is right?
Thats pure insanity.
The guy emailed another reputable company with his findings, for this very reason. Bitbook gets butt hurt because he found a serious flaw, and auto accuses him of scamming and threatens to hold his coins.
It's pretty cut and dry. Bitbook fucked up, then they want to punish OP for it.
It is NOT OP's job to help them fix a site bug. Can bitbook freeze or ban his account? Sure. Thats their choice. Thats fine. But to keep his coins. NEVER is that right, ever. Bitbook can guess at his intent, but I tend to think that since he PM'd all the info to a third party, reputable company, before proceeding, that he was trying to test to see if the site had a clear security leak, or if it would be noticed.
We will never know if the OP wouldd have kept the coins. But think on this:
If he wanted to keep the coins, wouldnt he have loaded him one account, made all kinds of bets, then transferred them to one other account and cashed out? What he did makes absolutely no sense for a scammer to do.
All you people who are saying you respect and are now a customer of bitbook for life after this are insane. They handled this piss poorly.
OP, glad you got your coins back. I see what you tried to do. It's what any person who tests sites for flaws would do. Obviously these people here have no idea what bug testing is for. Good on you sir.
Hit the nail on the head, thank you. Upon re-reading the thread, bitbook does seem quite sketchy.
Should I paint them red, or...?
Thank you for re-reading, if anyone thinks I was wrong please please please take 10 minutes and reread. I believe Bitbook.biz should pay for having this exposed on their site. I have seen tons of post of bug's being found and donations being given.
I want to make a pledge. 80% of anything donated from Bitbook.biz will be donated to BitCoinTalk.org 5% will be given to my escrow 5% will be given to everyone sends Bitbook.biz a PM urging them to do the right thing (post here count as the same thing) 10% will be kept for myself All funds can be sent to John K to be distributed. |
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Come on, we all know how gambling works
lol, I got a kick out of it too Win anything? |
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Stop being a bitch. BitBook refunded your money after you tried to scam them, and you still bitch at them? Maybe if you didn't act like such a moron, they would've refunded it earlier? Just a bit offended, I don't find spoofs for free. Then stress all damn day for nothing. Tried... did you see OP? I had it and could have ran. If anything they are lucky I refunded them Alright, so here are some facts about the situation: - BayAreaCoins believed he had identified an exploitable flaw in BitBook
- BayArea did not notify us or attempt to prove the exploit on a small scale (as someone not trying to scam us would have)
- Rather, he immediately attempted to place a large number of big bets on which he thought we were being free-rolled
- We very quickly detected his activity and locked his accounts
- Only after he realized that his scam wasn't working did he contact us
- The potential exploit he is referencing does not exist anymore and there is no danger to other users
- Bottom-line: BayArea attempted to scam us (for hundreds of BTC) and failed
It's also notable that BarArea joined the forum just yesterday and has already been accused by other members of being a scammer (one of his first actions was to create an escrow service -- sketchy)
We've currently got 15 coins that he is asking for. So then, what's the right thing to do? Return them? Donate some to the Bitcoin foundation? Seriously, we're open to suggestions from the community. What do you all think?
This was his first post to me on page one (after I removed the How-to so they could fix it) So of course I am a bit sore about this whole thing. Then I got pissed off, still am. |
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Come on, we all know how gambling works
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Word to the wise:
Email them.. If they don't offer shit..Or don't act civil.
EXPLOIT IT.. Forget your values because if they don't want to be civil about it.. They deserve to lose it all..
That was the point, I didn't. If I was trying to I would have kept it very quietly going along in my accounts that I have moved plenty of BTC through. Instead I took a look to see if it was a potentially fatal error to the website, People remember when you have your BTC on file with someone their system needs to be secure. I have shown the lack of thought that this site has put towards their infrastructure. If I was a bad guy and drained their accounts do you think all of the people with accounts on the site would have gotten their BTC back? No. Invest your BTC wisely people. (Your dudeness, you should have the .1 I sent you by now.) Bitcoinsucker: It was never not ok to use the site, but just careful where your BTC are kept. Needs to be safe at ALL times! Try https://nitrogensports.com/ or any of the other list of BTC sport sites. Hell I will give better odd's on any game that Bitbook.biz offers/parleys and I will let you parley on the same games (Over/under and winner) |
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That's awesome, I got shit for luck.
Can I send you BTC0.03 and you rack it in to .30 for me. You can keep BTC0.10 n just send me BTC0.20.
Sure man just PM me |
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Alright, this has gone far enough. You tried to scam us and you failed. It's okay. We're not mad at you, but you tried to scam us. It happened.
We'll send you the 15 BTC in full because we want everyone to know that BitBook always makes things right, even with a scammer, but we hope that this thread will serve as a warning to anyone that considers doing business with you.
Not only has this person gone out of their way to help you, and prevent you from losing lots of coins, but now you're branding them a scammer? If anyone is the scammer here, it's bitbook.biz. I will no longer be using your services because of your reaction to this. Computer people get offended when you show a flaw in their system... I understand. But I mean seriously... think about it... I am here to do FACE to FACE transactions. Why in THE WORLD would I want to steal 100's of BTC. I would be so scared of getting shot in the face doing a meeting. I am a paranoid Libertarian American, there is no amount of money that is worth me sleeping any worse at night than I already do. I was honestly trying to help. By your own account, you say that he tried to scam you.
If you don't return his coins you are stealing from him.
No?
Thank god for the smooth words of The Dude, I will be sending you .1BTC when I get the 15.1BTC for your awesome Dudeness |
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Posts: 30 Activity: 14 Position: Jr. Member Date Registered: July 15, 2013, 01:44:21 AM If you want to be an escrow, you just be trustworthy. And you're not. You could steal the bitcoins  I am working on my rep right now, I have found a error on a major BTC site. I am testing it as we speak, if it does turn out to be a error I have the full intention of returning 100% of the funds (hopefully they will drop me a healthy bounty) I am not in the business of stealing from people trying to make a living. I will update once the problem is solved (because unfortuntaly BTC is littered with people who are dying to steal.) This was sent at: July 16, 2013, at 07:05am PDTAmount Sent 0.10 BTC From You To 1L8XoWuf35GinnnBTAYPEJaN1xfZhpVDH5 It was received by my Bitbook.biz account at 7:28am https://blockchain.info/address/1L8XoWuf35GinnnBTAYPEJaN1xfZhpVDH5 I sent my PM's before all of these but the public can't see that. But these are ALL THINGS THE PUBLIC CAN SEE. I posted publicly before you froze the BTC Edit:
Alright, this has gone far enough. You tried to scam us and you failed. It's okay. We're not mad at you, but you tried to scam us. It happened.
We'll send you the 15 BTC in full because we want everyone to know that BitBook always makes things right, even with a scammer, but we hope that this thread will serve as a warning to anyone that considers doing business with you.
Don't forget my .1BTC fuck face It is 15.1BTC can be sent to 1H7WqHzKsuHAd2bMhN16hBCAEtsJ31EfWK Post the block chain when you do And for the record I swear on my fathers life I wouldn't have stolen a dime from you. I wouldn't have demanded a bounty or anything, I would have appreciated a bet or two maybe a BTC or 3. I would have NEVER said "should I keep their coins or donate them" I aint mad at you either, glad you got a free fix on your site |
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No problem, I am sure they will follow thru with helping you. They will take your 4 BTC loss though just saying, its only fair.
And I even removed the information until the problem was solved. I feel that I deserve not only my BTC back, but a healthy bounty for bringing this to your attention. KOS I fully understand man, I will not involve you any further. All I am saying Over and over again is the .1 block info HAD to go through before the freeze. My PM's/PUBLIC POSTS are way prior to the .1 deposit. At this point I am happy with the 15.1BTC, I can not believe you are treating someone who has played over 20BTC with you guys this way. I made you aware of a serious situation, even explored the problem on my own. With the promise on the board publicly before the shit hit the fan of returning any and all funds. By your own account, you say that he tried to scam you.
If you don't return his coins you are stealing from him.
No?
He deserves a scammer tag if my coins are not returned, I am ready to take full legal action again him and/or their organization. |
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uvwvj:
If you match my blockchain .1 transfer with the PM's/post on my escrow site you will see that I was bringing this to everyones attention far before being frozen.
Thank you for your honesty, I am so disappointed with how Bitbook.biz has handled this.
I was actually pretty pumped when I get praise from Kingofsports.
Edit:
I do NOT deserve a scammer tag. Please match up all my info before associating that word with me. It is obvious it all matches up and check my escrow information
1H7WqHzKsuHAd2bMhN16hBCAEtsJ31EfWK
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Release what time you froze the account because the blockchain of .1 sent to Wallet2Win was approved before being frozen and the PM's/post I have linked are WELL BEFORE the .1 was posted.
You can't lie about blockchain.
I am prepare to use online arbitration. All of my numbers match up jack
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ALL OF MY INFO IS LINKED BELOW https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257496.0I used addi (Owner of satoshibet.com) to escrow the fact I found the information. I talk about finding it HOURS before being frozen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257222.0This is a quote from BitBook.biz: "We've currently got 15 coins that he is asking for. So then, what's the right thing to do? Return them? Donate some to the Bitcoin foundation? Seriously, we're open to suggestions from the community. What do you all think?" Wow.
Who is a good BTC arbitration group?They said they are sending it back, will update when they do
Received my 15.1BTC after begging all day |
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Alright, so here are some facts about the situation: - BayAreaCoins believed he had identified an exploitable flaw in BitBook
- BayArea did not notify us or attempt to prove the exploit on a small scale (as someone not trying to scam us would have)
- Rather, he immediately attempted to place a large number of big bets on which he thought we were being free-rolled
- We very quickly detected his activity and locked his accounts
- Only after he realized that his scam wasn't working did he contact us
- The potential exploit he is referencing does not exist anymore and there is no danger to other users
- Bottom-line: BayArea attempted to scam us (for hundreds of BTC) and failed
It's also notable that BarArea joined the forum just yesterday and has already been accused by other members of being a scammer (one of his first actions was to create an escrow service -- sketchy) We've currently got 15 coins that he is asking for. So then, what's the right thing to do? Return them? Donate some to the Bitcoin foundation? Seriously, we're open to suggestions from the community. What do you all think? And you taunt me with my own coins? What kind of site owner is that "So then, what's the right thing to do? Return them? Donate some to the Bitcoin foundation? Seriously, we're open to suggestions from the community. What do you all think?" You should match my PM/Post/block chain info up and you will SEE that my account was NOT frozen before I start reaching out to people. I am a positive person and never have had to steal anything IN MY LIFE. I will NOT start today, I am here to buy/sell BTC cash in person in SF area. What scammer even takes a picture of a 0/16 pending error, ANSWER: None |
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Re: Great site!!!!! « Sent to: addi on: Today at 01:27:49 PM » Reply with quoteQuote ReplyReply Remove this messageDelete Yes thank you. Would you mind if I use you as escrow for information I just found out so it doesn't look like I am trying to steal BTC from a error I just found on a website? I don't want them to keep my 19BTC (it is in the process of being sent out of their accounts) because they though I was trying to rip them off, I am going to alert the site owner once I see that the site actually has a flawJust worried they may have to manually approve the 19BTC (which they very well may not) and they will think I am trying to steal. I am going to ask them for a good size bounty of course because it is a major error. _______________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________ https://blockchain.info/address/1L8XoWuf35GinnnBTAYPEJaN1xfZhpVDH5Compared to the .1 sent to the account Wallet2Win (which is the frozen wallet with 15.1BTC of MINE) You will see that I am in the right, I even pulled the information down so you guys had a chance to fix it. Please give my coins back or contact Addi. I contacted Addi WAY before anything was ever frozen just to cover my ass _______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________ If I had any intent of scamming I would have continued to do what I did on the account Betbetbet, that is obvious for ANYONE who is DECENT with a computer. I didn't contact you first because A:I wasn't going to steal B: I escrowed the information AND posted about it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257222.0C: I do not ever want to "Cry wolf", I want what I say to be taken in a serious mannerI did NOT fail at taking my 4BTC back from my 4 bet parley, I went above and beyond even removing the "How to Post" so you guys could fix your problem |
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The messages that you posted are time stamped after we caught you and locked your account.
Time stamp the information I sent to everyone else with the PM's/Posting on my free escrow about the problem... Time stamp "Free escrow post" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257222.0The calling me a scammer was posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256606.0Here is proof I actually won what I won: Hi, just want to chime in, I'm the founder behind SatoshiBet.com
I can confirm this really happened. Congratulations again!
Adrian
as seen: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256542.20July 16, 2013, at 05:14am PDT Amount Received 15.00 BTC From Coinbase ( transfers@coinbase.com) To You My first series of bets was on the Williams game I believe all the way for 1 hour+ my PM's with escrow information were WELL BEFORE being frozen. I am smart if I wanted to steal I would have continued using the Betbetbet account NOT spamming accounts/Escrowing INFO. DO NOT GIVE MY BTC AWAY I have to make a house payment on the first |
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