Perhaps I should've clarified - I speaking about slots, not dice. I played a few dice games before but never really got into it, slots are my vice. In terms of provable fair, there's no way to determine that the difficulty level is being manipulated, or that real player are winning jackpots and such. That type of fairness can't be proved.

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Thank you for your story. I should probably write something up myself. I'm a lot more cautious and selective with the casinos I choose to play with, but even so, it's still a lose-lose situation. Some of them have gotten so good at slowly draining your roll it's amazing. While I'm not nearly as bad as I used to be, I hit one up about 3x a week - 3x a week I lose, no kidding. Of course there are times I don't play at all... but I'm just grateful I'm not losing 10+BTC at a time like last year. Literally, it was nothing for me to have 200+ BTC in my 'disposable' wallet reserved for gambling only. I don't think I need to say that it's gone. I paid plenty casino employees' salary (and they know it), but never again. Now I stay below .1, on occasion up to .5.

No, I don't feel sorry for myself nor am I angry at the casinos or myself. I accepted that fate when I made the deposit. Here I am, thinking I'm testing the waters with small deposits... but that shit adds up, and quick. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that there are NO fair casinos (this is my rationale behind the testing), no matter how much you drop.

Why do you say? I think I actually signed up, but never revisited to play! lol, guess I'll go check

EDIT - guess this wasn't one I signed up for.

I made my first deposit today .1 BTC. I'm communicating with tech support right now via email and I'm told the issue should be fixed in a few hours. But here's what's going on....

In the beginning many of us complained of the slots not paying. It's true. There was a time I spun over 1000x without a single win. Of course I could care less because it was free voucher credit. We were told there was an issue with the slot difficulty level and the vouchers. Okay, I can live with that, but the problem is, it's still doing it and it's my btc this time! Plus, 3 scatters don't result in free spins as they should. I sent tech support an email with the screenshot and the rep said he didn't see the scatters. I would post it here, but I don't think there's a need. I just found it hilarious that I had to point them out! And I also did not receive the 200% bonus, but I'm sure this will be honored.

In the interim, I'm withdrawing what I have left. I just hope that when I make another deposit, the 200% will be granted since I didn't get it this time. I'm waiting to hear from tech support to see what they have to say about it.

Seriously? I wouldn't trust this if someone paid me!

lol! Forgive me, I'm the last one to laugh as I'm not creative at all, but I just found this amusing! Maybe I don't quite get the butter part? But even so, I don't think this will make the cut. It's cute tho

Anyways, driving home yesterday I had a couple of ideas spring into my head for a name/slogan combo. The name has already been chosen but maybe you guys can play with these to help with a slogan?

Bitcoin ATACCS (pronounced addicts)
Appreciate The Art of Crypo Currency Synergy

Slogan could be something like:
The Bitcoin Society - All Bitcoin ATACCS Welcomed!
The Bitcoin Society - The Home of Bitcoin ATACCS 

Bitcoin ATLS (pronounced atlas)
Admire? The Level of Synergy

Hell, IDK... not creative but maybe it could be useful to spring some more ideas.

This will be appreciated _computer_ but when you do - leave all bias aside! There hasn't been any solid proof to label coinbet.cc a scam. All we want is a list of the questions that haven't been answered, that's all. I'd hate for this to turn into a bashing event, because that's not the intent. Please don't make into that.

1) We don't know this yet. We can't use coinboss' win as a basis to make this accusation because the win was void from the start! What would be a nice to know is why coinboss had to pay the 6k to claim the 21k, keeping in mind this was before the rep knew his account was under investigation.
2) Fair, there was an issue with the slots' difficulty level and the vouchers (those are the claims relating to not being provably fair I recall, but there could be more), but they made attempts to correct the issue.

What's funny is that when I publicly asked Diaz and _computer_ to both provide proof that they're not the same person, Diaz/coinboss all of a sudden dropped his claim and settled for his initial deposit. But at any rate, I'm glad the 21k fiasco is over. I also don't know how great of a casino coinbett.cc will be... but I'm hoping that they become an asset to this community. We only have a handful of fair casinos, and we could definitely use another with a large variety of games. If they keep it up, I can imagine they could take a large chuck of the market share (fingers crossed).

This is great! So one can deposit/withdraw BTC without actually signing up for an account? Since I already signed up I'll use mine but I'm making sure I understand. Actually, I tried to sign into my real account yesterday and got the error that my login was invalid   but I was still able to sign into the first account that I asked to be cancelled. I'll contact tech support to fix it, but I just want to make sure before I do that I'm still able to play

This is the type of customer service that keeps us coming back! 

I wouldn't go as far to say 95% is all on the players; it's pretty evident how often we get scammed, which is why we're so damn weary! But as long as coinbet.cc continues to provide great service, there should be no reason why it can't succeed.
@ PharaohUB who are you calling a shill? Don't think you're referring to me of course, but it would be nice to know   Also, can you link me to the threads about bitcoinsports? I'm not sure if you're referring to betcoinsports? I've gots to know! Once upon a time betcoinsports was my fav... I'm on the hunt now and so hoping coinbet.cc makes the cut.

There are still unanswered questions we have but this thread is so freakin messy I can't even find specific posts! And I doubt that everything coinboss said is true. Did he win 21k? Sure, but by fraudulent means. No one should expect coinbet..cc to explain in grave detail how the scam was executed (putting ideas in the minds of some) so be satisfied with the explanation provided - it was enough for us to determine from the start coinboss tried to pull a fast one! Hell if I were coinbet.cc, I wouldn't give him the initial deposit back, but that's me. And what is Casino, a movie? lol, do you honestly think it's that serious?

Fun read indeed   No doubt informative on both sides.

ummm... okay.... can you please explain in plain English? What does this mean?

Coinboss -

You owe us an explanation. Are you agreeing to settle because I requested proof that you and computer are not the same?

Coinbet.cc -

Coinboss' decision to settle, if that's what he's doing, does not absolve you from the many questions people have. Also, will you return his initial deposit, or will you stand by your word to not cave to a scammer?

Can't say I speak for everyone, but inquiring minds would like to know.

That's the way it appears to me as well. We may never know.

Not nearly enough time, actually.
Why should it be dropped? Isn't the info everyone is requesting what we need to make up our minds? Don't understand rationale.
Please let me know where these issues can be dealt with? We can move it there, doesn't matter to me. Surely you're not talking about dealing with these issues privately... Questions were posed publically. Oh, maybe you're referring to moving is over to the scam accusation thread? Nope... Still doesn't apply. No one calling this casino a scam, we'd just like answers is all.

Does this make sense

Coinbet.cc -

I forewarned this community is a difficult crowd; I didn't mislead you. I also suggested that you stand firm and hang in there. I still honor that position. But part of standing firm is making sure you have a solid leg to stand on.

Right now... your leg is in the form of answers/responses to the many questions we have. Please don't feel rushed, but don't take too long, don't want anyone else to take your spotlight. Good/bad publicity is all the same. Vindicate yourself by offering real answers. I assure you that lots of us will shut the fuck up and begin to see you in a different light. Understand that we want to see bitcoin related businesses succeed, but equally important, we want and need the integrity that comes along with service oriented providers.

We'll even make this easier for you... Anyone willing to compile all the unanswered/need clarity questions we posed into one post? I'd do it, but I'm working right now and can't dedicate that much time.

Yeah, the vouchers were. But honestly I don't blame them for cancelling the voucher system. Actually, I don't even have an issue with it being changed mid roll-out. What I don't agree with is patrons who didn't try scamming the system weren't grandfathered in under the original requirements (whatever those were... I'd have to look). That's the part I think caused the most headache for us.

Whew! Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I wasn't sure if I was reading too much into things   I do that sometimes, a lot actually.

Damn it. I can't help myself.... Just a few points here, nothing out of the ordinary when situations like this arise.

- coinbet.cc, some of your posts are contradicting, you're called out on some but you manage not to respond conclusively
- coinbet.cc you're making claims that computer and Diaz are the same but have nothing concrete to back it up except that Diaz disappeared. He posted yesterday. We can't use that reason.
- computer, you're willing to prove you're not Diaz. If you're willing to send me DOX to prove it (Diaz would have to as well) I'm willing to verify.
- computer, while you bring up other people's accusations, you're pretty passionate about Diaz’s. I wouldn't go as far to say its proof you're him, but don't fault if you're accused. Not until you show real proof will we be satisfied.
- coinbet, you've been asked by several members to proof of a couple a couple of things. This is normal. Let's forget about that email until we have proof it's real. And assumptions from other people of the possibility of your inability to pay large wins will also stick in our mind. 700 addresses or not, it shouldn't be hard to post a couple that contains a nice sum.
- Diaz, I personally have witnessed a thread where the scammee was throwing proof left and right and he actually turned out to be the real scammer in the deal. I'm not calling you a scammer, but the audio was a nice touch in helping you out. You'll never get paid but the truth about this needs to come out regardless.
- coinbet, it seems internal processes are broken. Your reps not knowing your T&C is unacceptable to say the least. You should also configure that red flag system to notify your reps ASAP.

Got a few more but we'll start here.

Given the price spike in Doge, I wouldn't doubt darkphantom's claim. He owes a GPU rig, is actively mining... Do you have first hand knowledge, you're making an assumption based on what? And so what if Doge deceased in value? That's the risk all miners take. Even people who buy and sit on coins, for that matter! Wow. You debunked your own suggestion, lol.

And great advice, I most certainly will I never stop digging

I'm sorry, I honestly don't know, not familiar enough. I guess what I'm more or less proposing is for you to ensure the unit is getting adequate power. Is 460w the power requirement? If so, is your unit getting that much power? Awhile ago when I was deciding to get a BF device, I remember there being an issue with the latest version. Come to think of it... The second time the thought came to mind to buy a BL device it was their 50 Gh unit! I think they discontinued the 60 because of power and are now selling the 50Gh unit in its place. I'm 90% sure it was this 60Gh unit I though about getting from eBay or Amazon, then checked BL site only to find they weren't offering the 60 Gh anymore. Naturally I had to find out why.

If this turns out to be your issue, please say so on my rep thread

Your earnings are sent to the address specified at the pool. I don't own and never owned one of these devices, but when I had a lil asic mining farm, I didn't realize full hash power until the proper power requirements was met. That mean I had to buy better quality USB hubs. But different devices, probably won't solve your issue, but have you checked to make sure your unit is getting enough power?

I listening to the audio right now... I give up! lol. This only generated more questions...

Diaz - How much did you initially deposit and what was the total amount of voucher credit and bonus you received on that deposit? And before you attempted to get resolution here, why didn't you reach out and try to get a loan or something for the 6k? You could've offered someone 2 grand for fronting you or something. I wouldn't think doing that would be considered scam behavior but IDK.

coinbet.cc - Diaz's violation of the T&C aside, I'm confused why he had to deposit 30% of his winnings to withdraw? I thought the requirement for withdrawal was based on bonuses and voucher credits, not winnings? That's what I'm gathering from this. If he had to deposit the 6k, a 1/3 of his winnings, would he then have to meet requirements to withdraw the 21k?