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921  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the CIA on: June 21, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
Most researchers across the world have come to the same conclusion, Oswald was mentally deranged for a long time and acting alone.

This is a joke, right?

What credentials do you have, and are they more believable than those of thousands of people with universally recognized degrees?

Links to infoclearinghouse or free conspiracy blogs created by middle aged unemployed men with huge beards do not count.
922  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Protest against new moderation rules on: June 21, 2011, 04:06:35 PM
1.) this is not "our" forum.  we don't pay for it.  we are guests.  and

Entitlement syndrome is an ugly disease. Sadly it seems to effect not only the young people of today but even full grown adults.

Do read what Jaime wrote above. This is not "your" forum or "our" forum. You are using something somebody else is paying for.
Be grateful you get to voice your opinion here or start a new forum & get traffic to it.
923  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the CIA on: June 21, 2011, 03:33:03 PM
CIA's main mission is foreign intelligence... as long as it is not used as a means to finance terrorists, we will be okay.

Dallas is outside the US? Or JFK was not part of the main mission?

Most researchers across the world have come to the same conclusion, Oswald was mentally deranged for a long time and acting alone.
924  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Which videocards you use for mining? on: June 21, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
6990's, 5970's, 5870's, 5850's, 5830's, 5770's.

Cards weaker than 5770 are a waste of PCI-e slots IMO, so no point in buying them even for cheap.
925  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What card to get? on: June 21, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
You couldn't have seen the 6990x2, since it doesn't exist. 6990's are NOT good for mining in terms of euro/MHash or euro/Watt, especially for you, OP. In your situation, I would go for a 5830, you could crossfire it with your 5850 for gaming, and it would be the best value for money you can get. Where are you located, I might be able to help you with prices. I just got 3 5830's in Holland, but there's even better prices in France, Germany/Austria, etc.

This keeps being spewed around as if miners are just blindly buying ineffective hardware.

The fact is that the 6990 is a great miner because:

1. It has two GPU's in 1 card
2. If your motherboard has 2 PCI-e slots, you can turn them into 4 gpu's worth of hashing power.
3. If your motherboard has 4 PCI-e slots, you can turn them into 8 gpu's worth of hashing power.

In the case of single core GPU's, you would now have to buy 2 computers with 2 power supplies, processors, motherboards, RAM, casing etc.

So in the end you save space & don't have to buy a second rig to house more cards & you get greater resale value.
926  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Just got off the phone with NewEgg... on: June 21, 2011, 12:31:54 PM
I just spoke to Jason from Newegg.com and redirected him to this thread,
He said he remembers the conversation with you and will Roll-back the refunds Tongue

That's comedy.

Responsibility is a bitch.
927  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: DUST! on: June 21, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
side note: mining rigs don't last very long, most of my components breaks after a month or so  Roll Eyes

Maybe if you overclock to ridiculous levels and push the voltage 30% higher than normal & have no ventilation at all.

I have cards from 2010 (5850's, 5770's, 5970, 5830) mining just fine today at 5% overclocks and no changes made to voltage.
All fans work fine as well.

If you run the cards at fairly cool temperatures (60-72c) and the VRM is not choked by hot air, there is no reason why they would break in a month.
928  Economy / Economics / Re: Why? on: June 21, 2011, 12:17:22 PM
Because it's the only "real" exchange. The other ones have a long way to go before becoming professional.

99% of exchanges are member-to-member, which means

1. Lots of fake and canceled bids
2. If user pays with Paypal then there is a high risk you are being scammed by chargeback
3. Low liquidity.

On Mt. Gox you can add funds by wire transfer, withdraw by wire transfer, and the server automates all trades (you can only bid & sell if you have funds in your account). That's why it achieves huge liquidity.
929  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: future of bitcoin mining ( ASIC or GPU) on: June 21, 2011, 12:30:26 AM
GPU mining is dead if difficulty raises so high that electricity costs will far surpass BTC earning potential.

Specialised ASICs created for the sole purpose calculating hashes will consume ~20x less power, cost 5x less but calculate the same amount of mhash/s as an average GPU.

This is of course all utopia at this point until we actually see a mass produced ASIC which can be purchased. It's also possible they will be monopolised by certain people and never sold.
930  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Sapphire 5850 xtreme 950/350 @ 1.2v bios on: June 21, 2011, 12:12:28 AM
Without extra cooling on VRM you will destroy the card within weeks running 24/7 at 1.21 volts, regardless of core temperature.
The VRM temp will be around 145 celsius even at ~75c core temp visible on afterburner.

So if you do this, follow OP's advice and install extra fan on the voltage regulator.
931  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [Testing] Eclipse Mining Consortium: The Be Everything 0 Fee Pool on: June 20, 2011, 11:56:37 PM
Can your server handle extra 10 ghash/s or more? How long do your rounds take on average?

I am extremely interested now due to SMS failure notification.
I can also load a smaller amount such as 3ghash/s as a start.
932  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: [Poll] What temperature do you keep your GPU? on: June 20, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
Generally trying to keep every card under 70c.

However the 6990's I have just wont stay under 75c. Mostly running at 82-91 and prob. wont go any lower without watercooling.
933  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: To those buying 5830's for resale on: June 20, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
I love theorycrafting when people project profitability months ahead based on a fixed BTC value.  If you're going to get all goofy and assign it a fixed value, why not $50 or $83.26 per BTC?  Difficulty can be predicted, with a fair degree of certainty.  Exchange rates can not.

A 30 day average is a good starting point. BTC is still sold and bought even if Mt. Gox is down.
I don't understand why so many people fail to realize this.

Go to bitcoincharts.com and see that thousands of bitcoins are still being traded in other places.
934  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: impossible to OC second card on: June 20, 2011, 09:13:16 PM
Crossfire is bad for mining performance.
You should run each GPU separately, both connected to monitors or having a dummy plug.

Also, download AMD GPU clocking tool to force settings such as clock rate.
935  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Any solo miners here with less than 1GH/s? on: June 20, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
Statistically it could take over a year for one block.. maybe never.. maybe five minutes after you turn it on.

All I can say is don't give up if you're solo. I was at slush for months, and one of my GPU's found 3 blocks in total while the majority stood at 0, with random single blocks spread across workers.
 
Seems like an extreme statistical anomaly, which it is (because I had up to 16 workers online) but that could be your single GPU.
936  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: To those buying 5830's for resale on: June 20, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
I covered the issue of difficulty in that post, even taking in account the profit at 1.5m and 2m.
Also, $5.10 per day is still $153 per month. At the next difficulty level the user will create about $122 worth of bitcoins per month, and even at 1.5m about $100 dollars per month.

Those are for arguments sake. In reality, expect difficulty rises at least every 14 days or more often. This could change though if difficulty rises too high.

I'd say 3 million is already too high at current prices because it will make mining unprofitable for nearly every casual miner, even those who freeload electricity.
937  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: EFF donations and the Bitcoin Faucet on: June 20, 2011, 08:55:52 PM
The faucet is dead as an idea now.

It was created ages ago to give people their first "feel" in the bitcoin world by handing out a few cents.

Now that it's price has risen and CPU mining became infeasible, people have enough motivation to screw over the system and try to profit by exploiting the faucet as efficiently as possible.

Hell, might just as well put a dollar faucet in the middle of Somalia & see how that turns out...
In the end it's just a few pirates and warlords with all the 'experimental' cash and the common man is left with a dry faucet.

A lottery or a donation to a real charity after converting it to cash would be better
938  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: To those buying 5830's for resale on: June 20, 2011, 08:35:12 PM
Assuming 300mhash/s, bitcoin price of $17 and difficulty of 877k, a 5830 will create ~$188 per month at current difficulty (wont last that long - just an example), $141 per month at the next difficulty level, and about $103 per month at 1,500,000 difficulty.

If you buy today, it will pay itself off if you bought at $109 or even $160. More so if BTC price rises. While no difficulty level at this point will generally last a month (2 weeks or less actually), the rises aren't steep enough to make mining unprofitable. Even after you gain back 100% of the buy price at 1,5m difficulty, you will be gaining $80 per month profit at current prices.

Worth it with a single card? If you are just some random gamer then sure. Don't count on it for a living though. At 2 million difficulty you will be making $50 bucks per month at current prices.

At 3m difficulty, either prices will go up or ~90% of casual miners will give up and thus drive the difficulty down to about 2.4m.
939  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: To those buying 5830's for resale on: June 20, 2011, 07:49:25 PM
Can someone here define troll for me?  I mean, objectively?

Someone who claims to be a miner, but all of his posts are about how much bitcoin sucks, how it's a "bubble" that is about to burst,
how Satoshi is the antichrist and a CIA agent, how the price will never go past $12 and it will just be banned in every country in the world.
940  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: To those buying 5830's for resale on: June 20, 2011, 07:47:55 PM
Can someone here define troll for me?  I mean, objectively?

Someone who claims to be a miner, but all of his posts are about how much bitcoin sucks, how it's a "bubble" that is about to burst,
how Satoshi is the antichrist and a CIA agent, how the price will never go past $12 and it will just be banned in every country in the world.
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