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Who is the admin of darkcointalk ? Could you confirm my registration please ? (Joined Sunday)
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illusion, or tell other people to hold or buy and then you sell ?
You know you are doing something right when that guy troll 24/7. ^ |
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Also, is the final number going to be scaled against price so that the cost in fiat to run a masternode stays roughly constant?
I don't think scaling to price is feasible -- scaling to diff might be a good idea though, because 1000 DRK could mean anything in a year from now. That could mean 1000 * $1000.  |
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There must always be the word "coin" ? There are so much alt coins that most prefixes are taken.  |
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Here's the thing: I accept the fact that the Darkcoin name is not changing, and I stated as such to make people very clear that this has been decided.
All I'm doing is recognising that there is a significant segment of the market that will be wary of the current brand, which we might be able to reach, and brainstorming how we might reach it. If people genuinely believe that us launching a differently branded sister-coin might kill Darkcoin, then the implication that this is exactly what will happen when others inevitably do exactly what I'm suggesting we do. I'm very surprised that people think this is somehow "dangerous" to talk about. Surely it's more dangerous not to talk about it? Or y'know, we could just stick our heads in the sand and hope everything works out.
If Evan created a second coin, Darkcoin would lose its credibility right away. It would make Evan appear as a altcoin P&D creator and nothing more. Not to mention if it used the same damn specs, half the market cap would be destroyed. Terrible idea. The trolls have shown up. Darkcoin as a name and brand are gaining credibility and really starting to scare some people too. (Look at the last posts in the anoncoin thread. Seriously.) There are now many services and references on the internet that point to Darkcoin (name wise) as well. Changing it would be a disaster. It would cause most people to loose faith in the community and also confuse new investors by not knowing if the project was changed, abandoned, or replaced. Currently as it stands, I personally believe that the name should stay as Darkcoin and no spinoff coin should be made by Evan. I'm not sure why people keep talking about changing the name. It's not happening. You make a reasonable argument why it may not be a good idea to create a differently-branded sister coin. However, it remains to be fully discussed whether there is a significant market that may be reached by a more public-friendly branding, and also whether there is a significant threat of Darkcoin being usurped by a "light"-branded clone when it goes open source. It's apparent that people feel very strongly about the whole topic of branding & reaching potential markets. There is also a lot of fear that this discussion is evidently bringing to the surface. In which case, I strongly urge you all not to censor the topic simply because it brings up bad feelings. A sister-coin will destroy Darkcoin. Why ? Because if it reach a larger public like you think, has the exact same properties, and is made by the same dev, the former coin has no reason to exist and will not attract investments. Conversely, a clone will never have the primacy nor the productive dev behind Darkcoin. So you see from where the real threat come from. |
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Here's the thing: I accept the fact that the Darkcoin name is not changing, and I stated as such to make people very clear that this has been decided.
All I'm doing is recognising that there is a significant segment of the market that will be wary of the current brand, which we might be able to reach, and brainstorming how we might reach it. If people genuinely believe that us launching a differently branded sister-coin might kill Darkcoin, then the implication that this is exactly what will happen when others inevitably do exactly what I'm suggesting we do. I'm very surprised that people think this is somehow "dangerous" to talk about. Surely it's more dangerous not to talk about it? Or y'know, we could just stick our heads in the sand and hope everything works out.
If Evan created a second coin, Darkcoin would lose its credibility right away. It would make Evan appear as a altcoin P&D creator and nothing more. Not to mention if it used the same damn specs, half the market cap would be destroyed. Terrible idea. The trolls have shown up. Darkcoin as a name and brand are gaining credibility and really starting to scare some people too. (Look at the last posts in the anoncoin thread. Seriously.) There are now many services and references on the internet that point to Darkcoin (name wise) as well. Changing it would be a disaster. It would cause most people to loose faith in the community and also confuse new investors by not knowing if the project was changed, abandoned, or replaced. Currently as it stands, I personally believe that the name should stay as Darkcoin and no spinoff coin should be made by Evan. +1 Why invest in a coin when we know that a clone will be created by the same dev. They become substitutes not complements. Because want a coin that serves truly provides decentralized anonymity That's my point, Darkcoin provides that so there's no need for a second one. |
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Here's the thing: I accept the fact that the Darkcoin name is not changing, and I stated as such to make people very clear that this has been decided.
All I'm doing is recognising that there is a significant segment of the market that will be wary of the current brand, which we might be able to reach, and brainstorming how we might reach it. If people genuinely believe that us launching a differently branded sister-coin might kill Darkcoin, then the implication that this is exactly what will happen when others inevitably do exactly what I'm suggesting we do. I'm very surprised that people think this is somehow "dangerous" to talk about. Surely it's more dangerous not to talk about it? Or y'know, we could just stick our heads in the sand and hope everything works out.
If Evan created a second coin, Darkcoin would lose its credibility right away. It would make Evan appear as a altcoin P&D creator and nothing more. Not to mention if it used the same damn specs, half the market cap would be destroyed. Terrible idea. The trolls have shown up. Darkcoin as a name and brand are gaining credibility and really starting to scare some people too. (Look at the last posts in the anoncoin thread. Seriously.) There are now many services and references on the internet that point to Darkcoin (name wise) as well. Changing it would be a disaster. It would cause most people to loose faith in the community and also confuse new investors by not knowing if the project was changed, abandoned, or replaced. Currently as it stands, I personally believe that the name should stay as Darkcoin and no spinoff coin should be made by Evan. +1 Why invest in a coin when we know that a clone will be created by the same dev. They become substitutes not complements. |
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Why not just re-brand Darkcoin?
I can't believe there are still branding discussions going in relating to the "success" of the coin. This coin has (had?) a huge early-to-market advantage when it comes to anonymous transactions. With Zerocoin/Cash looming in the horizon, you guys really need to take a step back and look at the actual challenges to DRK, not these nonsensical naming/logo issues everyone seems fixated on. 1. DRK has to work. It's still in beta, so this is all in the developer's hands. A better understood roadmap to milestones and possible delivery dates would help. 2. Needs to be "certified" on some level by a credible "white-hat" of some sort. If some exploit or vulnerability is exposed post launch, the coin is doomed. Again, this should be already lined up and possibly be working with Evan on third-party testing. 3. Evan needs to be put in front and center at events, conventions, seminars, whatever. talking. Why? Look at Zerocoin as the competitor. Google it. Things like Forbes come up, constant mentions of Johns Hopkins University... other incredible terms like Cryptography professor, etc. This is what you are competing against. Any budget you have for "marketing" should mostly be spent on points #2 and #3. Everything else is useless. Moreover, it was already discussed and dismissed I don't know why this come up again. Embrace the name, love it and others will love it too  |
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The young or cool look doesn't seem to bother anyone for other currencies (e.g. Doge).
Other currencies don't have the unique marketing challenge that we face -- that is, overcoming the stigma of being the "Dark" coin, and all the connotations that arise from this in the mind of readers. I suspect the reason this issue isn't being taken as seriously as is warranted is because the effects aren't immediately or directly felt, and because the "dark" connotations don't bother us personally. If a clone with better branding overtakes us in market share, it will become clear in retrospect that a large proportion of the market was holding back from investing in darkcoin specifically because of our branding. Except by then it will be too late. If you read up on what people think about darkcoin outside of here, you'll see a lot higher frequency of the opinion that the name & branding will prevent us from ever gaining a significant market share. If people are thinking this way, then you can bet that it's influencing where they invest. In that case, we should launch a clone and keep the development tied. Its no different to VW using the same components for Skoda or Bentley. Sokda makes a profit because it attracts a value proposition, but its engineering is based on out of date VW designs. That way VW is premium, and Skoda can remain affordable. Lead with Darkcoin, recycle new releases every 3 months later into something else. The more I think about it, the more this idea makes sense. If Darkcoin will be a niche product because of branding, why not fill the other niche ourselves before others do, with a "light"-branded sister coin? New publicity-friendly name, fair launch, focus on privacy. Let Darkcoin be the testbed and bring across any changes when it's stable. We're in a unique position to capture the subset of the market that are choosing not to invest in Darkcoin because of its branding, because we can implement darksend before it's open source (that is, if Evan gives the ok). I don't see that there's much to lose with this strategy. We can be sure that others will do exactly this once Darkcoin goes open source, so why not capture that market now, in a way that lets existing Darkcoin investors get in early and mitigate their risks? Bad idea. Darkcoin all the way. (But hey that's me) I've been thinking of this, but can't figure out how to make a second coin without taking the market away from darkcoin  [...] That's exactly what can happen. And that's a bad signal now for any investor. |
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Every miner is welcomed aboard! We just added 3 more dedicated servers to our cluster, now the pools are snappier. We also upgraded MPOS, fixed the shares issues regarding the x11 algorythm. Also, we have 16 stratums to serve our users. Join us to enjoy the benefits of our strong architecture and knowledge!
What shares issue? Old news, pre-DGW I think. |
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I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.
I agree 100%. I'm glad you all have veto power. The coin is named Darkcoin, you might as well embrace it some flowers next to a colorful "D" will change nothing. There is some merit to this. If you look at Tesla for example. Green energy companies have been notoriously unsuccessful, mostly do to a very saturated market, with tons of green energy companies touting how cool it is to be green. Tesla just took it to the extreme, and said green is just so so so cool. Their logo and everything fully embraces the coolness. The thing is, there are like 100s of cryptos right now that are purely going for "cool", and I think the better way to monopolize a part of the market, would be to retain the cool, but go for something more specific and trustworthy. This again, should be based on the developers specific vision for the coin. Then again I find the #6 b&w logo simple and sophisticated, I fail to see "coolness" as in "look we are so edgy". But beyond the design there are the qualities of the coin, coins with a wonderful design may fail in that aspect, however, I believe that Darkcoin has everything it takes to succeed. |
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I actually think the logo's purpose is somewhat deeper. One aspect that I believe is crucial to Darkcoin's survival (once source is released) is remaining competitive against a carefully branded clone that intentionally avoids any of the "Dark" baggage. If we were to go open source right now I believe we'd be wide open to being completely dominated by a "light"-branded clone with strong marketing. Look at how well Hirocoin did in mere weeks, and it doesn't even have Darksend. Selecting an accessible, mainstream logo that avoids any dark connotations and doing some major work on branding reduces the scope for this.
I agree 100%. I'm glad you all have veto power. The coin is named Darkcoin, you might as well embrace it some flowers next to a colorful "D" will change nothing. |
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There NEEDs to be one extra added to this. Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an optioUSA n. I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin  Also please note: to ensure a fair vote, only one version of each design is included. Your vote for a particular design will count for all variations on that design. I'm expecting that an official coin graphic will be created from whichever logo is chosen, so no need to add them to the vote. If anyone has some free time, it'd be great to see mockups of all 10 candidate logos as coins. I feel like people are going to just vote for whichever one looks "coolest" and thus pick number 6. But I don't think it best represents DRK and is somewhat shortchanging the project. Darkcoin has a lot of innovation going on in all areas of cryptocurrency, not just privacy. DRK is clever and sophisticated. Thus, the logo needs to be clever and sophisticated. Some of the other choices much better exemplify this, but won't win. Maybe that's okay though, as the logo's purpose is more just to be appealing to the average person than fully embodying what the coin is. I vote 6 also, but I'm not going for it as the coolest. I think it looks sophisticated, smart, and also edgy. DarkCoin is a cool coin clever and sophisticated as you say, but it's also has that slight edge, slightly almost underground feel to it due to DarkSend and other innovations. What ones do you prefer watuba? I guess it could be seen as sophisticated, and definitely edgy. I just think it also looks a little "young" and less trustworthy. I actually like number 8 now for the reasons stated above. It's certainly not as cool or "edgy" as number 6, but it's safe, clever, and still appealing. If I were going to ten different companies to entrust my wealth with, I would pick number 8 or 2 far ahead of the others. Then maybe 4 as a distant 3rd place. The young or cool look doesn't seem to bother anyone for other currencies (e.g. Doge). However, I feel that the #6 looks rather professional and sophisticated. You say that everybody will go for the look, but so are the consumers, the packaging makes the product more appealing. |
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There NEEDs to be one extra added to this. Using the current logo #1....BUT with the new "D" from #6. Evan posted a quick mock up of it a few pages back. Who made the current logo? we need to contact him to get him to correctly swap out for the new D from #6. That with the written "DARKCOIN" is perfect in my mind, and needs to be an option. I personally think #6 is awesome. But feel we also need a "coin" .. throw at D on the existing darkcoin I think that's the goal, the "D" of the logo selected will be used for the coin design. |
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N°6 for me |
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Let's get back to the x11 merits above all other algos.........as yet nothing still.
Really if you don't have any benefits to list at all there is no point saying anything is there?
When I wrote an entire list, you skipped it, went to end and said "what? better than quark? Ohhh nooooo" and that was the end of it. So, I'll just post a link this time: http://wiki.darkcoin.eu/wiki/X11He doesn't want to be bothered with facts, they derail his agenda thread. |
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@cryptohunter has created a self moderated topic where only him and his friends can play. Like I said here, some pages ago, this was never a discussion but a statement.
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Somebody here has an agenda.  Generally when someone resort to bold letters with an oversized font, run for the hills, he wants to sell you some BS. how was screwing your niece? Cool you watch a very good TV show. off topic: off |
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Somebody here has an agenda. Generally when someone resort to bold letters with an oversized font, run for the hills, he wants to sell you some BS. Heheheheh another fool who ignores the elephant in the room ... i made it elephant size and you still can't see it can you LOL From the start you had that posture, anyone who doesn't share your view is a fool. It's visible that you only want to undermine x11, and now Darkcoin. What's the end game ? I don't now yet. From the efficiency of the algo the subject has nicely shifted to the coin, and now you use the word "scam" like you discovered it yesterday. |
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