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9321  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Warning: WoodCollector on: January 23, 2015, 10:27:59 PM
Better open up wide for the shit sandwich you are about to eat Nubbins. Don't worry, it is party sized so all of your puppets friends can have a bite too.
9322  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) on: January 23, 2015, 06:34:52 PM
I am an owner of a 40w laser engraver, and an immediate family member of mine is a professional woodworker, so I am familiar with most of the tools involved here, yet none of the evidence you have produced as of yet is 100% proof of anything.
Others, likewise qualified and more than you, have chimed in and said the opposite, that it's clear the intricate designs are laser cut. My question to you, as an observer to this issue and an outsider to wood working, specifically what makes you and I presume your family friend, disagree with that assessment?
Qualified how? Because they said so? Do these so called qualified people also own a laser engraver?  I am not an outsider to laser engraving or woodworking. I have a hard time believing that any of these so called experts know enough about intricate hand carving, and have enough skill themselves to be able to say for certain a piece was not hand carved just by looking at a photo of it. Just because they are themselves unskilled is not proof that others are incapable. So in short your so called experts are worth about as much as a hot steaming pile.
9323  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition - THE FACTS on: January 23, 2015, 04:06:43 PM
I am also the owner of a 40w laser engraver.
9324  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition - THE FACTS on: January 23, 2015, 02:53:36 PM
11 pages of TECSHARE complaining about another Scam Buster, who blew the whistle on TradeFortress.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.0

TradeFortress, which was TOTALLY NOT PROVEN TO BE A SCAM SO YOU CAN'T GO THROWING AROUND ACCUSATIONS LIKE THAT OH FUCK WHERE DID ALL OUR MONEY GO

Get the fuck out of here, put me on ignore, shut the fuck up complaining about the noise coming from people stomping the rats in your basement.
Ok, I see this is about me now. Interesting. Don't mind the fact that VOD was actually abusing the trust system to silence me, but don't let that stop your little mob here. My complaint about VOD had nothing to do with Tradefortress, but it works for you to make it sound that way Wink
9325  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition - THE FACTS on: January 23, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
At this rate all we will have left here on the forum are trolls, scammers, mobs and exaggerating butthurt whingers. 

Fixed.

I am watching all the actual contributing members flea from this sinking ship of degeneracy that has become Bitcointalk. Have fun ruling over the scorched rat infested ruins after you drive anyone decent away just so you can put on a plastic badge for a few minutes and play scambuster.

The question is when are you going to leave... or stop whining and get over it? I can't believe you're complaining over this of all things. How the community policies itself works great 99% of the time. All WoodCollector needs to do is provide evidence which he should be able to do easily and very quickly but all we have seen so far is stalling and excuses. If he provided satisfactory evidence the accusations would have ceased and he would've likely received an apology and everyone would've moved on and WoodCollector would've come out unscathed and possibly even better for it as any doubts people had would've been quashed. 

TECSHARE, this guy STOLE over twenty thousand dollars from the members of this forum in the past three months.

If you don't like me putting him to task for it, please just stop posting in these threads. Your posts are adding as much noise as anyone else.

He doesn't care. He just wants to derail yet another thread to make it all about him and how hard done by he feels. 

At this rate all we will have left here on the forum are trolls, scammers, and mobs. I am watching all the actual contributing members flea from this sinking ship of degeneracy that has become Bitcointalk. Have fun ruling over the scorched rat infested ruins after you drive anyone decent away just so you can put on a plastic badge for a few minutes and play scambuster.

If bitcoin had more people like you in it tecshare, bitcoin would have hit main stream a year ago. A buddy of mine i told about bitcoin about 5 months ago went to check it out. Found this place via google and a few days later when i talked to him says " It reminds me of those kids that play that world of warcraft game all the time...... I would rather pay the bank fees than use bitcoin and have to deal with that garbage if i needed help or to ask a question"

Since when is this forum the entire bitcoin Eco-system? This is just an Internet message board and it has people from both sides of the spectrum and everything in between from scammers to scam-busters, pioneers to plagiarists and altruistic libertarian anarchists to greedy capitalist pigs. If you can't handle any of that and are looking for a peaceful utopia then this isn't the place, but you're free to go try create one. 

Worst part is that he does import / export all the time and probably does over a million a year in transactions. It made me think how many more like him are out there. tens of millions a year in transactions that we are missing in the market because of this crap forum.

You seem to know a lot about what he does and doesn't do but nobody is buying your bs because it's clear you are a shill in whatever capacity. Again, this forum isn't the entire bitcoin universe just a small piece of it, but I wonder how much btc has been transacted soley because this forum exists? A lot more than what you are proposing is being missed out on that's for sure. 

We need a new forum or community social space for sure. Not just a face lift on this one, but a new, advanced, heavily moderated, 0 b.s. tolerated gathering space. Not bitcointalk 2.0 . org. More like bitcoinforgrownups.org. No virtual popularity digital currency like the default trust crap that is so heavily abused here. 0 tolerance for witch hunts. Mandating concrete proof to have something listed as a scam, not a bunch of speculation, theory's and smoke and mirrors. And most of all, a 0 trolling policy. Something to keep cliques like the Nubbins, fishbone, smoothie, redsnow etc. band of misfits from ever behaving like they do.

In the mean time. i will do my part to defend the innocent from witch hunts, and aid in the demise of this failed social experiment so it can rebuild into something better.

You and Techshare should stop complaining and go ahead and do that but you'll quickly see how it will descend into chaos and then also a barren wasteland when people leave for being censored left and right. Whether you like it or not the way this forum is run works exceptionally well and people tend to agree right up until they do something wrong and they're exposed for it and handled rightfully by the community/staff. 


Another professional example of how to act by the professional staff.
9326  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition - THE FACTS on: January 23, 2015, 02:26:06 PM
Goat made a Big Brother, you-must-play-nice Bitcoin forum ages ago. It's called CryptoCrypt, and it's a piece of shit. Check it out. (You'll need to sign up to even view the subforums).

Who's Goat, you ask? Oh, right, you're a fucking rube with no concept of the history of this place or the endless shills and scammers just like your buddy who have passed through here.

You'd probably like it better than here, so I guess we won't be seeing you around anymore. Maybe your million-dollar-a-year buddy can get an account too.

Seriously, why do these fools exaggerate so much? $80k/year would at least be BELIEVABLE, but I guess more=better if you're an idiot, so it's A MILLION BUX now.

TECSHARE, just hit the Ignore button under my profile picture.

Now the personal attacks on people pointing out your overreaction? Very adult. You are right, what would I know about the history of this forum, I have only been here since 2011 (2 years before you). All that other bullshit you just said is fluff to distract from the fact that you are slowly realizing that you probably fucked up, and the mob is starting to look at you. Enjoy your own personal inquisition.
9327  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition - THE FACTS on: January 23, 2015, 02:13:31 PM
TECSHARE, this guy STOLE over twenty thousand dollars from the members of this forum in the past three months.

If you don't like me putting him to task for it, please just stop posting in these threads. Your posts are adding as much noise as anyone else.

First of all, YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN ANYTHING. You have strung together a bunch of speculation, assumptions, and accusations with almost zero factual backing and used it to create a mob. This isn't how disputes are arbitrated, this is how children act, and regardless of your premise being right or wrong it IS IN FACT DESTRUCTIVE TO THIS COMMUNITY. Imagine for a second that you are not infallible, and perhaps you are in fact mistaken, would you still find your behavior acceptable? No matter how convinced you are of your own conclusions, YOU ARE NOT INFALLIBLE.

In less than 24 hours you have managed to incite a mob against WC before he even had an opportunity to provide any countering evidence. Even IF you are right, YOU ARE WRONG. You "taking him to task" is little more than you satiating your compulsive desires for retribution, NOT an honest debate about the subject. THAT is the problem. Unfortunately this mob mentality is endemic on this forum, and it is driving away long term productive members because they would rather not take a chance of being caught up in this sort of childishness that people such as yourself seem to think is ok because "scambusting".
9328  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is using a witch hunt to try and iliminate his competition - THE FACTS on: January 23, 2015, 01:50:43 PM
At this rate all we will have left here on the forum are trolls, scammers, and mobs. I am watching all the actual contributing members flea from this sinking ship of degeneracy that has become Bitcointalk. Have fun ruling over the scorched rat infested ruins after you drive anyone decent away just so you can put on a plastic badge for a few minutes and play scambuster.
9329  Other / Meta / Re: Any where I can find a complete listing of the rules? on: January 21, 2015, 06:38:08 PM
It doesn't exist. You should know the rules because the staff do. After all, if there was a list of rules, they might be forced to obey them.
9330  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) on: January 21, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I'd do it all again. You need to hit scammers hard and fast, so they don't have enough time to make up believable lies.

Remember the dark wooden round he posted a photo of, with white-blond wood shavings on top, as if they had just been shaved off the piece?

I suspected he was running a scam from the get-go, and I did in fact wait until I was absolutely sure before I pulled the trigger. I understand that some of my words may have been offensive to some, but I have no tolerance for scammers.

I am an owner of a 40w laser engraver, and an immediate family member of mine is a professional woodworker, so I am familiar with most of the tools involved here, yet none of the evidence you have produced as of yet is 100% proof of anything. One thing you need to keep in mind is YOU ARE NOT INFALLIBLE. You may be 100% assured of your conclusions, but that doesn't mean you are 100% right. The fact that you seem to be willing to leave no room for your own error and inject the extra vitriol that no one would welcome, scammer or not, demonstrates to me your own inability to reason. In short you are unnecessarily muddying the waters of what my or may not be an accurate scam accusation to satiate your own emotional compulsions. This addition of emotional content makes it harder for ALL ACCUSERS, as well as ALL ACCUSED, even innocent ones.
9331  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 21, 2015, 04:07:40 PM
Arkansas Takes Away 7 Homeschool Children  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931376.0
9332  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) on: January 21, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
This is getting out of hand.

Nubbins why don't you change the title of your thread to something like "WoodCutter seems to use lasers for some of his finishing work".

This is in fact the only issue.

Of course he is going to be upset he has many happy customers and delivers the goods and you are calling him a scammer.

Time out guys it seems pretty clear cut to me  Cheesy

Because I don't care to. Please scroll up and read the topic of this thread. WC responded to my legitimate, 100% correct concerns with a hate thread to try to intimidate me into silence. Fuck him and his scam.  Smiley

You yourself are injecting a lot of hate and childishness into this. Lets assume for the sake of argument this is not a scam, would you expect him to respond positively to you in this case? You aren't just pointing out a potential scam here you are creating a shitshow along with personal attacks, insults, emotionally motivated posts, and mobs. If you had managed to leave all of this out I might be agreeing with you. However at this point because of the way you handled this I am inclined to give Woodcollector the benefit of the doubt just based on your inability to keep this a fact based argument. In accusing members around here, especially productive and or trusted ones, the burden is also upon you to remain professional in your accusations.
9333  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam Warning: WoodCollector on: January 20, 2015, 06:22:31 PM
Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.
9334  Other / Meta / Re: ban self moderator threads on: January 20, 2015, 03:59:26 PM
So... has anyone here complaining even TRIED to open a thread exposing these users? If not stop crying, and DO SOMETHING about it rather then just demanding the removal of features people actually use.
9335  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Finally: US Supreme Court agrees to settle gay marriage dispute on: January 17, 2015, 08:23:54 PM
The government should have no involvement in marriage period, including heterosexual marriages.
9336  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 17, 2015, 08:21:13 PM
What leopard2 says about mandatory kindergarten is a clear warning. We have sort of almost the same thing in Scandinavia, perhaps even more reprehensible, because it is not what it claims to be: officially it is not obligatory to have your children in kindergarten, but if you don't, all manner of "child expert" units are no end busy finding other faults with the child and you, claiming that if your child was at a kindergarten and did not see so much of you, these deficiencies would not be there. And of course, kindergarten personnel are taught to "diagnose" everything a child does and says as a proof of failed parenting. So then they take the child away. I have referred to one case which was on tv and in the press some years ago, and although there was a sort of mild reaction against the kindergarten and the CPS in the case, there was not - and never is - any change in the general attitude that everybody except the parents know best.

I can confirm this is also largely the case within the US as well. There is currently a lot of push here to remove the option for parents to choose to home school their children. In places where it is not specifically outlawed, many parents that home school their children are subjected to exponentially increased scrutiny. Many people don't know it, but upon a birth certificate being issued by the county of birth within the US, the parents are in effect making the child's legal person property of the county.

In effect all children are property of the state, not property of the parents as one might assume. Even into adulthood, unless this contractual entanglement with the county is nullified at the age of 18, the individual remains a ward of the state. This is the primary mechanism and claim to ownership the family courts use here to extricate children from their parents OUTSIDE the rule of law, because it falls within the realm of contract/maritime law, and they reside over the issue as a matter of contract law rather than common law.

Basically IMO, this mentality is a global push to force the socialization/indoctrination of children by requiring they participate in it by law, or by selective enforcement of the law. The concept of children being property of the state is at the core of socialist tenets, and it is a growing threat to the family unit world wide. The state wants to make sure its chattel property is properly indoctrinated and compliant, and the CPS system is just another way to mandate this.
9337  Other / Meta / Re: I think trust system default should be set at 3 on: January 17, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
I think Default Trust should be removed completely. It's not accurate and it misleads new members.



And it creates a more-equal-than-the-rest hierarchical superclass, followed by all the usual social byproducts (cronyism, nepotism, abuse, grovelling, outcasts).
I agree with this conclusion as I have personally experienced the results of this on about every level possible, as you described.
9338  Other / Meta / Re: Stop Requesting Default Trust Removals on: January 17, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
It's becoming a pain since it defeats the purpose of the list if anyone and everyone can request the removal of a person on it. If nothing comes out of the situation (the person in question isn't removed) then there are just a lot of junk threads complaining about this user or that user having more power or 'exploiting' their power over this user and that user. So please, stop complaining about who is on the list. If you really need to sort a situation out, contact the user (either the user you are questioning or want removed) directly. This was quickly written up in a bit of a rage mode, feel free to discuss.

I have been pointing out the flaw in the staff/mods/admins getting involved in trust disputes for some time. They are often bias because they are quick to remove some users and heavily resist the removal of others within their clique which are clearly serial abusers. Additionally anyone can just make a post and rally a mob with little or no evidence creating lots of infighting amongst the community's MOST trusted members. In stead of letting the system be used as publicly purported, as a decentralized system of trust, it has become a centralized trust cartel where some users are more equal than others. The system was designed so that if individual users on the default trust are abusive, the people who placed them there are incentivized to remove them as risk of harming their own reputation. 

Rather than letting those users make those choices, Theymos, as well as others on the level 1 default trust have gotten into a habit of getting personally dictating who should do what with their own trust ratings at the lower trust levels. This transforms the supposedly decentralized trust system into a top down centrally controlled trust pyramid, where no one else is allowed to have any position of authority within the trust system unless Theymos and his level one selections approve of it.

In my personal case when I was removed from the default trust, canaryinthemine did not remove me from his trust right away. Theymos did not agree with this, and rather than choosing to let the system operate as designed and publicly purported, he added an entirely new feature, called "trust exclusions" so that he could again, from a position of central authority dictate how the trust system works, so that no one else could make any choices within the trust system counter to his own without consequence. In effect the trust exclusion negates any trust from displaying for people when they trust someone who trusts you, and also trust someone within the default trust.

Effectively this is a backdoor way for people with high rank within the default trust system to nuke actual earned trust ratings from users that are on lower levels of trust, and the trust exclusion cascades down thru all lower levels of default trust, as well as anyone who trusts him directly. Seeing as no one will ever outrank Theymos's trust rating, it is effectively impossible for anyone to ever work to correct the situation because there is in effect a permanent cap on the trust of the excluded user.

In summary, all of this strife and argument lately over default trust users and their ratings is a DIRECT RESULT of Theymos and other highly ranked individuals within the default trust attempting to maintain complete centralized control over what is purported to be a decentralized system. They claim it is a decentralized, unmoderated system, but then when some one has an opinion they disagree with as far as its use they have no problems making sure the user is neutralized from a centralized position of authority. The price for their demands of complete centralized control is that the forum's most trusted users are now fighting amongst themselves and destroying ACTUAL LIVING TRUST NETWORKS simply in order to preserve centralized control over the illusionary, virtual, and superficial red and green trust ratings with debatable benefits. Theymos wants to have his cake and eat it to, and we are all now paying for it.
9339  Other / Meta / Re: ban self moderator threads on: January 17, 2015, 07:08:06 PM
The trouble is scam operators post self-moderated threads in the Announcement sections where regular users see them, and there is no way to criticise the operator. Posting another thread buried in the Scam section that no one reads is insufficient.

Allowing new users to post self-moderated threads is a huge problem.
This is not true. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from posting in meta, scam accusations, or the individual users trust ratings in order to alert others to their abuse. It is not appropriate that a legitimate and useful tool be removed just because some people who would probably get robbed any way MIGHT be fooled because if it. Ultimately it is up to the individual to use their best judgement. If the individual is unwilling to take the time to review the person(s) they are entrusting with their funds, it is ONLY A MATTER OF TIME before they are robbed. No amount of rules, scambusting, or precautions will ever change this.
9340  Economy / Collectibles / Re: WTB Junk Silver Coins for BTC on: January 13, 2015, 06:20:55 PM
I have a pending deal with a forum member named: TECSHARE and will post here after the deal is complete.
I sent my BTC first and he will be shipping me silver dimes.

I will post here once i receive the coins in hand.

Just wanted to confirm this so it is a matter of public record by request of the buyer Cheesy
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