is crypto done??   What do you think? |
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quadruple bottom right above 415  That's a whole lotta ass |
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I'm not taking lectures from someone who doesn't understand how the world works. Read it yourself. Or, just use your head.
The problem with unanimous total consensus is that it either leads to inaction or excessive peer pressure, especially in non-uniform organizations.
So it's not the opposite of being authoritarian. If it works, it's normally because it is suppressive.
So tell me then what's your solution? Mob rules? What's the point of redefining words for emotional effect? If your argument doesn't stand on its own feet maybe that's what you should look into. To be perfectly honest I wish Gavin was still in charge, but if Wladimir gets an epiphany that's ok too. Bitcoin is difficult enough for what it is, if it's turned into an experiment in anarchism as well it's destined to fail. |
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We're doomed...
I suppose you like democracy better? Well I suppose you are right it has worked extremely well for centuries... Oh wait.. It hasn't. Here is the Wikipedia article which I realize I should have linked to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-makingSince you seem scared of the word anarchist. Please read some before you dismiss it. I'm not taking lectures from someone who doesn't understand how the world works. Read it yourself. Or, just use your head. The problem with unanimous (especially total) consensus is that it either leads to inaction or excessive peer pressure, especially in non-uniform organizations. So it's not the opposite of being authoritarian. If it works, it's normally because it is suppressive. |
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What nonsense? You don’t even know why it forked!
Maybe nobody knows yet, but Lauda is right. This is the proper use of testnet, to weed out network-level problems that cannot be tracked down by static code inspection or debugging sessions. No doubt, but that wasn't the point. |
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I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters.
First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin.
This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous.
You obviously don't know how the consensus process works. It's the opposite of being authoritarian. You are the one being authoritarian when you try to impose your views on us. You don't give a shit about our arguments or anything we do or say. You are just hellbent on getting things your way. That's the wrong approach. https:// theanarchistlibrary.org/library/seeds-for-change-consensus-decision-making We're doomed... Edit: "When they can see the whites of your eyes
In emergencies, in situations where urgent and immediate action is necessary, appointing a temporary leader may be the wisest course of action."Where's dev? |
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Innocent little buckie. Never heard of shorting.
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Polite suggestion to diversify into ...
The currency that cannot be named Don't bother. They're all out trading eth. All that is left here are the core fanboys who don't understand they've just poisoned the well. Meh all that is left here is you ignorant forkers and govy shills spinning their boring life. Congrats, for making this place a socialist shitshow. I saw you whining about losing the eth train. Sfyl |
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Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.
You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more. After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers. If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process. Why? Because a contentious hard fork might kill Bitcoin. That's a risk someone that is "genuinely dedicated" to Bitcoin should not take. I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters. First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin. This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous. first of all the people behind the contention have irresponsibly been yapping their utter bullshit all over the place and therefore they have naturally been dismissed for the last year by bitcoin consensus mechanism. second, what are the other things that can kill bitcoin? your ignorance? ps: you can shove your "hopefully" where it belongs, and if anything, the dos attacks clearly makes the case for the 1MB hard limit. Says the btc-shorting troll. I'm sure you're loving this. |
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Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.
You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more. After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers. If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process. Why? Because a contentious hard fork might kill Bitcoin. That's a risk someone that is "genuinely dedicated" to Bitcoin should not take. I've noticed that otherwise liberal people have become increasingly authoritarian lately. There is a genuine difference of opinion. How this is handled matters. First of all, the people behind the contention have a responsibility as well; second, there are other things than hard forks that can kill Bitcoin. This economic experiment we're running right now, where txs are at the bleeding edge of the block limit with the entire network susceptible to ddos attacks, and later, hopefully(as in: if genuine txs keep growing), users being pushed off the network because of full blocks; is very, very dangerous. |
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Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.
You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more. After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers. If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process. Why? |
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Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.
You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more. After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers. |
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Polite suggestion to diversify into ...
The currency that cannot be named Don't bother. They're all out trading eth. All that is left here are the core fanboys who don't understand they've just poisoned the well. |
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@Bitusher I'm glad you enjoyed your little experiment. Can we up the block size limit now and keep this kind of crap on the testnet from now on?
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If SegWit is going to be shelved then we'd want a 4 MB hardfork ASAP, just imho.
Nah, if we just have to shelve segwit (which they won't, ever), 1.75MB oughtta cover it. A can kick hard fork to buy time should be put at the maximum possible limit so we are not tediously going through all this derp molasses again next year. [wut? that can't be right....I'm tired.] I can agree with you there [feels weird], miners would soft limit below the hard limit anyway, like they did before we hit the 1MB ceiling. I'm for a fee market, just one determined by the producers, not the planners.
... you need to break your mind free of the Classic groupthink newspeak rhetoric, there are no "planners" just developers providing code that the nodes choose (or not) to run. Attempts at vilification through framing the debate and/or agenda via language (spin) is a sure sign that you are the subject of an attempt to manipulate your opinions and influence your previously independent thought processes. Repurposing the block size limit into a tool to shape the network, rather than just a defense against spam attacks, can reasonably be characterized as central planning. It's important to be aware of this so we don't unintentionally mess up the economics of Bitcoin. If more of the "free market" devs understood this problem I think the debate would be different. |
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If you take my property from me it's called theft and it's morally wrong. Agree? Yes or No?
Depends on if he has a legal basis for doing so. This can be had if he's lent you some money and you won't/can't pay him back, if you've caused damage and refuse to compensate or repair what's damaged, or if you haven't paid your taxes. Lol, for fucks sake that why I explicitly said " If you take MY PROPERTY...". Taking back something that was originally yours is not theft. Now go ahead and answer my questions. It might have been your property. He might have taken your car, your TV or something else with the potential value to cover what you owe. With the backing of the courts of course. But it's good to see you don't object to tax collection. |
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When will this retarded experiment end....
When tx demand has dropped below 1 MB/block I was thinking more along the lines of: when will the Bitcoin community wise up and boot out the freckers who got us in this mess and implement 2/4/8mb, BIP101 or Unlimited? Core is Love. Give yourself freely to Blockstream. Now stop with the self-sabotaging and onboard already.  "Embrace the love of the pah-wraiths!" |
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If you take my property from me it's called theft and it's morally wrong. Agree? Yes or No?
Depends on if he has a legal basis for doing so. This can be had if he's lent you some money and you won't/can't pay him back, if you've caused damage and refuse to compensate or repair what's damaged, or if you haven't paid your taxes. |
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When will this retarded experiment end....
When tx demand has dropped below 1 MB/block I was thinking more along the lines of: when will the Bitcoin community wise up and boot out the freckers who got us in this mess and implement 2/4/8mb, BIP101 or Unlimited? |
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So he's offering money in exchange for votes.
But of course you won't tell it like it is, socialism can never win honestly.
Huh? No, you've misunderstood. Socialism is a wonderful thing when its construction and operation are angels otherwise this is not the most effective and clumsy thing  The extreme types of socialism (except anarchism) will even corrupt angels. |
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