ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT

[davedx]

#isclassicdeadyet

Watch as the mystery unfolds!

How is Monero coin doing guyz?!

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[iCEBREAKER]

core can do the same.
If these features really are pointless and not noteworthy then just ignore it
Its feels like an awful waste to dismiss all code from anyone else simply because they're not your friend.

No. That's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that acting this way is disrespectful towards the people who did most of the work. If the code is good and useful somebody will present it to Core. You've quoted an earlier version of my post, I re-wrote it several times.

Maybe Core should just change licence if they don't like this kind fo dynamics.

That's how open source works, as long as a forking project respect forked project's license I see no harm in advertising a new feature developed independently by the former.

About your last point, trying to make your code into Bitcoin, especially a new feature, is extremely tiring and close to impossible if you do not belong to the group of devs that usually contribute to Core.

Just an anecdote: Peter Tschipper, the dev behind BU xthin, a few months ago proposed to include into Core a datastream compression scheme for blocks and txs that could have save 25% in terms of block space and improved network latency by 30%.

He did all the right things, starting from posting a general sketch of his idea to bitcoin-dev ml, refine the design based on feedbacks, tested it in reproducible manner and upon request provide a BIP draft including working implementation.

After a never ending process at the end the feature and its quite significant gaining wasn't merged, nor a BIP number was assigned.

Guess what Peter at the end gave up and contribute his work to other more receptive project.

It's my understanding that various compression schemes have been looked into and rejected, it's most likely that his code didn't break any new ground or worse opened up new DoS vectors. Failing that if it required a hard fork then it would defiantly be something for the back burners.

Classic, like XT before it, is an Island of Misfit BIPs.   

[forevernoob]

It is not even about Satoshi, it is about his vision, which many people still believe in, that is not an appeal to authority. At least not for the people that truly believe in this vision independently. His arguments stand by their own merit, not his authority, do not conflate the two.

And what is Satoshis vision exactly?
I think you have severely misinterpreted what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin isn't a religion. There is no need to refer to a "Bitcoin god" or his "vision".
You should be able to come up with your own arguments for a block size increase.

If you have to rely on some mythical figure for guidance your argument is obviously too weak.

[hdbuck]

It is not even about Satoshi, it is about his vision, which many people still believe in, that is not an appeal to authority. At least not for the people that truly believe in this vision independently. His arguments stand by their own merit, not his authority, do not conflate the two.

And what is Satoshis vision exactly?
I think you have severely misinterpreted what Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin isn't a religion. There is no need to refer to a "Bitcoin god" or his "vision".
You should be able to come up with your own arguments for a block size increase.

If you have to rely on some mythical figure for guidance your argument is obviously too weak.

Long live the code!

Hard consensus never lies, changing It will requiere a bit more than appeal to authority, social media brigading and a buncha CEOs that did not properly investigated the underlying technology they rushed on like leeches.

[iCEBREAKER]

XT-cum-Classic agent provacateur hellobitcoinworld is having a very sad day full of many angry.   



Hellobitcoinworld is extremely frustrated, wanting so badly to tweak Bitcon's scaling variable only to be told Sorry Not Tonight Dear.   

[RealBitcoin]

So here is my basic understanding about this whole debate:

-If classic wins: (Socialists)
-Nodes get centralized due to blocksize growing faster than graham's law, and soon only a few corporations could host the blockchain , ending bitcoin
-This of course ends mining too and centralizes it to a handful of people
-Orphan block rate goes up (risk of fork) & the network slows down due to slower communication between nodes
-Bitcoin becomes literally leftist socialist, with many freeriders trying to send 1-2 satoshi transactions for free, at the expense of others, typical leftist ideology
-Price volatility increases again madly due to loss of confidence in bitcoin and huge FUD that results of it.
-The huge waste that this method gives is bad for the enviroment and wastes a lot of resources


-If core wins: (Libertarians)
-Current solutions buy us more time to research alternatives better
-A rising fee market forces people to be more responsible with their transactions and ensures that people remain financially conservative, and preserve the libertarian atmosphere
-A sidechain technology could still process small transactions and unload them in bigger packages into the blockchain, making it efficient and conservative.
-Miners remain the same, or even earn more fees, since a lot of miners are mining at net loss, this will help them more
-Node count doesnt get affected since blockchain wont grow that fast
-Efficiency ensures that this method remains enviroment friendly, and wont waste resources
-People will remain confident in bitcoin in the long term, as they see how efficient it becomes
-Price volatility decreases and it will become very stable like any other currency


BASICALLY IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS:  LEFT vs RIGHT!

Let me know if I missed something.

[notbatman]

Hellobitcoinworld claims to have racked up 14BTC in shares on p2pool without hitting a block?

I call bullshit.

[iCEBREAKER]

Hellobitcoinworld claims to have racked up 14BTC in shares on p2pool without hitting a block?

I call bullshit.

Hush your mouth.  Let the GavinCoin fanboys waste their money on hellobitcoinworld's obvious Classic cloud-mining scam.

The result is we get to enjoy more whiny rage-quits, like this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48ovtg/im_out_guys/   

"I sold my bitcoin"

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Absolutely. The more people that sell the better. This is actually good for Bitcoin because.

[iCEBREAKER]

Absolutely. The more people that sell the better. This is actually good for Bitcoin because.

Rage quitting is its own reward.

EG:

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48re9o/sold_all_my_bitcoin_but_im_still_running_classic/

"I don't own any bitcoin after all these years and hopes and dreams. Feels like walking out on a marriage."   

[theymos]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

[chrisvl]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

wait i have to laugh

[25hashcoin]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

Hahahah!! This is so true!

[iCEBREAKER]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

Oh boy, now you've really pissed off the Free Shit Army.  Good job! 

BernieBro version: FreeTuition4Eva
Gavinista version: FreeTx4Eva

They've brought back XT's charming tradition of anti-Thermos 2 Minute Hates.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48tguh/i_have_sent_this_modmail_to_the_admins_regarding/

Keep it up.  You know you're over the target when you get flak like this.

I miss the cute cartoons though.

What happened to /u/raisethelimit?  Did he die from an aneurysm or infected Hearnia?   

[HostFat]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

Instead of looking at the results, you should look at the initial reason, the cause.

[iCEBREAKER]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

Instead of looking at the results, you should look at the initial reason, the cause.

You are supposedly boycotting All The Core Things, according to https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48hyjp/list_of_productsservices_to_boycott/

And yet, here you are not boycotting the Axis of Thermos, and there you go running tens of thousands of lines of code written by Core then borrowed by Classic.

Have you any idea how intellectually inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst those actions appear to the rest of us?

Please feel free to act on your ostensible convictions, and fork off to Bitco.in.   

[forevernoob]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

It's populism.
Of course a lot of people support Sanders, Trump and Classic.
They want easy solutions that they can understand.

That's the problem with democracy. It's based on who is the most popular and not who has the best ideas.

[RealBitcoin]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

It's populism.
Of course a lot of people support Sanders, Trump and Classic.
They want easy solutions that they can understand.

That's the problem with democracy. It's based on who is the most popular and not who has the best ideas.

That is why ponzi schemes are getting more investment in bitcoin rather than real investment sites.

People want quick easy stuff, that promise them big, even if they dont deliver the promises, its just for their "feel good" feelings to make them entertained.

Humans are a joke really.

[Fatman3001]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more.

After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers.

[forevernoob]

Whenever I read /r/btc I feel like I'm reading /r/SandersForPresident.

You should probably start appreciating Classic and XT supporters a bit more.

After all, they're genuinely dedicated to Bitcoin in spite of your censorship and the lunacy of your peers.

If they truly wanted to help Bitcoin they would respect the consensus process.