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941  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 06:09:40 PM
My bag is full, will be buying more if it ever goes sub 16K satoshi again.  Cool


yes that was a good prices few days ago Wink

I managed to scoop a bit more 16.5K satoshi
Smiley

Wish I'd had more BTC
942  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
This reminds me of when the weak hands sold ETH under $1 to invest in other shitty ICOs.



This is exactly why you don't see the ICN holders who have been in the game for years freaking out about whatever the price is 16 days after tokens were distributed.

Put your tokens in cold storage, then look to see where project is at in 6 months.

Team has been doing a fantastic job, so I'm not worried about it.

ICONOMI funds are launching before end of 2016... that's like 6 weeks from today.

Pretty sure we will see ICN above $2-$3 in January 2017

Price prediction once ICNX & ICNP are launched this December: $1
Price prediction once 1st Dividends are paid this January: $3 to $5

IMO $3 to $5 in 2 months is a bit unrealistic. That's 30-40x ICO price and a market cap that can't be achieved before OFM is active and has some user-base.

We will get there, it will just take a bit longer
Smiley
943  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 01:47:07 PM
Gotta love Liqui, they're really pushing, I think this is their chance to become one of the big boys in crypto trading.

Godspeed guys.

liqui is small exchange with low security and very bad and slow servers. I will never deposit a single satoshi in this.

kraken is a multi millionaire exchange with real pro behind it. Icn volume is low? they call it " the market".

I can not argue anymore  Grin You are right here as what I have observed. Kraken is fast and transaction display starts at thousands. How I wish that all parameters shoud=ld b in one page or window for convenience like most exchanges.

Kraken exchange has UI from the 90's.. at best
I would still prefer them over Liqui

Sorry, Liqui - nothing personal.

No problem, let's speak in 1 year Wink

Wish you all the best!
944  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 01:37:58 PM
Gotta love Liqui, they're really pushing, I think this is their chance to become one of the big boys in crypto trading.

Godspeed guys.

liqui is small exchange with low security and very bad and slow servers. I will never deposit a single satoshi in this.

kraken is a multi millionaire exchange with real pro behind it. Icn volume is low? they call it " the market".

I can not argue anymore  Grin You are right here as what I have observed. Kraken is fast and transaction display starts at thousands. How I wish that all parameters shoud=ld b in one page or window for convenience like most exchanges.

Kraken exchange has UI from the 90's.. at best
I would still prefer them over Liqui

Sorry, Liqui - nothing personal.
945  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 01:35:38 PM
Still no one can explain to me the purpose of ICN tokens.

No one should explain you ... is all written in the ICO white paper.
But there ... the token should be seen as a share of the ICONOMI
The more share you have, the more % of the profit you gain (payed in ETH).
As any share, you can also trade the token ...

When I should expect payment? Also, don't call this bs whitepeper, there is no science at all in it.

better don't invest then and stop wasting your and our time.

Hah hah this is common answer here, so I think it's just a scam and blind supporters. No more questions, thanks.


Smiley  Smiley  Smiley

any anti-troll torpedoes?
946  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 12:54:23 PM
Cheesy

I think Mal post killed most of the trolls, "investors" that expect $0.1 weekly dividends per ICN 2 months after ICO, and cry babies.
Let's hope it stays like that.
947  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 10:08:58 AM
Liqui still better now than in ICN launch.
They have a good future if keep working well



Never really get the chance to register to them.  Most of the time its just yobit that do IOU but this time they are always doing it for newly released token like DCT. They're also the first to list ICN. Do they allow deposits to ICN wallets?

They can't handle users with an ipV6 version apparently cause I can't log in. Mailed support about this issue...
Just out of curiosity, why are you on ipV6?
948  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 12, 2016, 06:37:26 AM
It has been very interesting watching the weak hands get shaken out in slow motion on Kraken the past couple of weeks

This process can take weeks or even months sometimes.  Then only strong hands will be remaining, so there won't be much sell pressure resistance when milestones are hit and the price starts taking off.
Don't you think that there will be sell pressure at certain price milestones, such as $1 ?
949  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
I wonder if we could list Golem on icnx
First of all, we don't list anything on ICNX, it is decided by the team.
Second if all, there are few pre-requirements, such as daily trading volume and minimum of 2 months existence on a major exchange.
So I dont see it listed in the upcoming months
ICO's would fall under the 5m usd Pre-seeded performance fund (ICNP), and may indeed be included if Iconomi team find it attractive.

Wasn't it sold out in like 20min?
950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 09:51:06 PM
well, i've sold mine ICN tokens.. not because i don't believe in the project anymore but because i dont see it going up right now.
i'll buy it again at 10k...
Wish u good luck. I hope for you that you wont need to buy at higher price than what you sold
951  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 09:48:33 PM
I wonder if we could list Golem on icnx
First of all, we don't list anything on ICNX, it is decided by the team.
Second if all, there are few pre-requirements, such as daily trading volume and minimum of 2 months existence on a major exchange.
So I dont see it listed in the upcoming months
952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 07:17:48 PM
It's best not to speculate about the dividends, just wait!
agree  Smiley just a waste of time

What's the ETA again on the first installment of dividend payments? Are we weeks or months away from a tiny little check that makes me smile.

weeks. Up to 6 weeks before the first two funds go live. Dividends will follow after that.
Don't forget that in order to get dividends, Iconomi has to realize those profits, meaning they have to sell positions in whatever they have invested.
So I wouldn't expect dividends 1st week after the platform goes live, maybe from ICNX, though.
953  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
For one year, it is possible to get $ 1 per ICN dividends.
 
Me too will be very satisfied with $ 0.1 weekly dividends per ICN.

I've already written this about ICN dividends:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/5bi5em/what_defines_success_for_icnp/?st=ivdx8vk1&sh=07c6dbb9

As the article above discusses,  ICNP needs to go from its initial $4.6M to 2.7X during 2017 for a 15% annual dividend and 3.7X during 2017 for a 25% annual dividend.  Hitting 3.7X would make ICN a better dividend asset than any stock on NASDAQ and make ICONOMI a rock-star crypto on Wall Street.  

So let's look at the rock-star crypto 3.7X case.  $4.6M X 3.7 = $17M.    Profit is $17M - $4.6M = $12.4M.    Dividends to be distributed during 2017 would be 20% of that profit or $12.4M*0.20 = $2.5M.  These dividends would be distributed over 100M ICN tokens so each ICN token would receive $2.5M / 100M = 0.025 USD = 2.5 cents per ICN token over ALL of 2017.  If there was a constant weekly distribution of dividends over the 52 weeks in 2017, then the weekly distribution for each ICN would be 0.025 USD / 52 = 0.0005 USD per week or one-twentieth of a penny per week per ICN.  

So to equal the very best dividend stock on NASDAQ, ICONOMI must provide dividends per individual ICN token of $0.0005 USD per week or 0.025 USD total during all of 2017.

This analysis ignores other income streams besides ICNP.  This also ignores buying still more ICN weekly with your dividends for a compounding effect.

Getting back to the quote at the top of this post, EVERYBODY would be very satisfied with $0.10 weekly dividend per individual ICN.  This would mean ICONOMI would be paying out out $0.10 * 52 = $5.20 during 2017 on each ICO $0.1257 ICN token.  They would need $5.20 * 100M = $520M in cash to distribute as dividends to meet this 0.10USD per week per ICN target.  If this half-billion dollar dividend pool came from 20% of ICNP total profits, then the ICNP profits need to be $520M/0.2 = $2.6 billion.  With a B.  Growing the ICNP from its current $4.6M to $2.6046B is a multiplier of 566X, in a direct comparison of the 3.7X multiplier above that would make ICONOMI a NASDAQ rock star.

Hope is a good thing for the human mind to have.  Math is a better thing for the human mind to have.

Now, is ICN a panic sell if they can't hit a ridiculous 566X profit multiplier and turn ICNP into a multi-billion dollar fund in under 12 months to feed everybody's totally unrealistic dreams of $0.10 weekly profits per ICN?  Not at all.

ICN IS NOT A PANIC SELL WHEN YOU SUDDENLY REALIZE THE TRUTH ABOUT IT.   IT IS A DEFINITE BUY.

ICONOMI is not aimed at crypto children that don't know enough math to realize when their dreams are ridiculous.  ICONOMI is aimed at traditional fiat investors that currently have WAY WAY WAY more money to invest than the entire total in crypto right now.  And those traditional fiat investors are all crazy starved for income yield since the central banks have collapsed interest rates to zero over the past eight years.  

IF ICONOMI CAN HIT A 3.7X MULTIPLIER FOR ICNP TO BECOME BETTER THAN ANY OTHER NASDAQ DIVIDEND INVESTMENT, TRADITIONAL INVESTORS WILL POUR HUGE AMOUNTS INTO BUYING UP ICN TOKENS TO SECURE THAT DIVIDEND LEVEL FOR THEMSELVES.

Traditional fiat investors do not live in the crypto dream fantasy world of hoping for 566X multipliers on crypto-ICO performance funds.  They live in the real world where they will pour HUGE sums of money into purchasing any investment that can give them a 25% annual return on their money.  

That may be ICN tokens very soon, if ICONOMI can turn $4.6M into $17M during 2017 by investing ICNP funds into startup crypto efforts.

And you certainly should not panic about putting your money into something that could quite easily give you 25% or more return on your investment annually.

I am HODLING.


Mal, it looks like you will repeat yourself few more times, just like you already did in the last 2 weeks. Weatherman you said once  Smiley
I'd suggest to have a link to your AWESOME post, and add the short summary (most "investors" will find the post too long anyway).

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Hope is a good thing for the human mind to have.  Math is a better thing for the human mind to have.

954  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 06:07:10 PM
Hope Iconomi invested massively in Golem (GNT), their ico raised 1millions of ether in just 10 minutes, their ico just ended!

you don't get how ICN operates, I'd recommend reading the FAQ & WP.

also, lul clueless people dump millions to the shittiest ICO these days, that's no indicator for success.

I don't think that is just another shitcoin ico, they raise 1 millions of ethers in just half an hour, Iconomi is about investment in other cryptocoins and startup, am I right?


Please don't be carried away with Golem ICO, I remember vividly the success of Singularity ICO, it also raised $7 million in 30 mins and the price is now 50% below the ICO price. Whales are the ones determining the prices of the tokens and not the fundamentals which is something that bothers me

Firstblood as well..
How fast ICO collects X amount of money is no guarantee.
Trust Jani and the team, they know what to do.
955  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 06:04:59 PM
Iconomi and Xaurum at 22 and 23 rank on coinmarketcap, both with some common team members, good job!

The problem with most people that invested into ICONOMI is that they don't even understand the project, the rank or position on the coinmarketcap is nothing. The main thing is to put pressure on the team to walk the talk, once the platform is working and the next fund been raised, ICN will reach the the moon

yeah, the success of the follow-up products will decide the value, not some retarded daytraders Smiley

please, call them "investors". And as such "investors" they expect 3-5x in less than 3 weeks, without a working platform yet. And all that so they can start "trading"..
And when their expectations are not fulfilled they start to cry.
That's the next generation investors...
956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
Iconomi and Xaurum at 22 and 23 rank on coinmarketcap, both with some common team members, good job!

The problem with most people that invested into ICONOMI is that they don't even understand the project, the rank or position on the coinmarketcap is nothing. The main thing is to put pressure on the team to walk the talk, once the platform is working and the next fund been raised, ICN will reach the the moon

why do you need to put pressure on the team? Can you point at a single deadline or a milestone that they haven't met?
957  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 12:44:29 PM
maybe ICONOMI should enable the option to send our ICN from kraken to iconomi.net to get dividends??? why we can trade only eth there

for the 5th time..
https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/59vklj/receive_address_deposits_at_iconomi_platform/

Sorry not to read every comment here..
but thank you for link ! I will just buy more on kraken and wait iconomi.net

No problem. Anyway, most of the meaningful information is not here, but on reddit.
958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 12:33:08 PM
maybe ICONOMI should enable the option to send our ICN from kraken to iconomi.net to get dividends??? why we can trade only eth there

for the 5th time..
https://www.reddit.com/r/ICONOMI/comments/59vklj/receive_address_deposits_at_iconomi_platform/
959  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 10:26:25 AM
Hey, I have noobs question: I sent my ICN to kraken, but now that I bought some more I would like to send it back to eth wallet. I should be able to get dividends right ?
thanks
yes Wink
and you think we really can't receive dividends on kraken ? because I remember when I was trading DAO, after the crash I received some Eth directly on my kraken account so I suppose it's not a problem to receive eth dividends here


if its possible to received dividends while our ICN on kraken, I would beprobably prefer my ICN to be stored there so its ready to trade whenever there is a change. When are we going to receive out dividends? i haven't see any conformation regarding this from Jani.


why don't you use common sense and any logic? It will make it so much easier.
How can you receive dividends before the trading platform is operational?
You do know the meaning of dividends, right? Like, % of the fees and profits realized in the same week...

No i have no idea what dividends mean. I haven't heard anything like it actually. The only thing i know is that exchange wallet still is a wallet address that can send and recieve.

"A dividend is a payment made by a corporation to its shareholders, usually as a distribution of profits"
check the source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dividend

960  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform on: November 11, 2016, 10:07:30 AM
Hey, I have noobs question: I sent my ICN to kraken, but now that I bought some more I would like to send it back to eth wallet. I should be able to get dividends right ?
thanks
yes Wink
and you think we really can't receive dividends on kraken ? because I remember when I was trading DAO, after the crash I received some Eth directly on my kraken account so I suppose it's not a problem to receive eth dividends here


if its possible to received dividends while our ICN on kraken, I would beprobably prefer my ICN to be stored there so its ready to trade whenever there is a change. When are we going to receive out dividends? i haven't see any conformation regarding this from Jani.

why don't you use common sense and any logic? It will make it so much easier.
How can you receive dividends before the trading platform is operational?
You do know the meaning of dividends, right? Like, % of the fees and profits realized in the same week...
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