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941  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is China ahead of US now in terms of digital adaptation? on: September 28, 2019, 10:17:34 AM
Today I saw a video clip from twitter telling that china is ahead of US now in terms of digital currencies, I made a few google searches and found out it's legit, Soon china will tokenize their currency and base on the blog I have read below it is almost ready to launch.  I know I'm a little too late about this but I just want to hear your thoughts.

Sources:

Twitter Video Clip: https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1177543601242484743
Full Video: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/27/people-will-choose-a-currency-that-the-government-cant-control-bitcoin-pro.html

Central bank digital currency (CBDC)
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201908/20/WS5d5b5d1ca310cf3e35566c01.html

If you will believe the hype surrounding this tokenization of the Chinese Yuan, you will also believe that their launch is already coming very soon. But if you are going to be objective about it, that launching is much more uncertain than the launching of Libra. And China itself is in no hurry about it.

Take time to read these:
https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/09/25/china-no-idea-when-launch-digital-currency-cryptocurrency/
https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3030120/china-has-no-timetable-launch-its-digital-currency-says
https://technode.com/2019/09/25/no-timetable-for-the-launch-of-chinas-digital-currency-pboc-governor/
https://cointelegraph.com/news/chinas-central-bank-digital-currency-has-no-timetable-for-launch

And the only reason why China seems to be ahead of the US in terms of digital currencies is this vague idea of tokenization of their national currency which, according to crypto experts, is beyond the capability of the Chinese government as of this time. Other than that, there is nothing that says China is really ahead of the US in terms of digital currencies.
942  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Crypto Market Projection on: September 28, 2019, 09:40:22 AM

The overall cryptocurrency market is projected to reach USD 1.40 billion by 2024.

What's your take on this?


And whose projection is that? And on what basis? How are the numbers computed, if it did not just come from some random portion of anybody's imagination?

Everybody can put on the table their own projections. You and I and everybody else could just compute it roughly and come up with a number. But without sound bases and explanation, it is nothing but mere hollow speculation.

And please, that single digit billion is already a thing of the past for crypto. We are by the hundreds of billions as of today. And for me it will not even reach 2022 before it transforms into trillions.
943  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: China tokenizing their currency a good idea i think on: September 28, 2019, 09:14:56 AM
China tokenizing their currency. There are other countries that will follow. What’s going to happen is that there’s not going to be a competition between digital and non-digital currencies. Every currency will be digital says Pompliano, a partner at digital assets investment firm Morgan Creek Digital and a former product manager at Facebook, what do you guys think? this thus makes sense to me

Full news is right here
https://dailyhodl.com/2019/09/27/crypto-heavyweight-urges-us-government-to-tokenize-the-us-dollar-immediately/

My apologies but this idea of the Chinese government tokenizing their currency has more ulterior reasons than what could be read through the news and watched through the television.

While it is true that the future of currency is digital currency, the tokenization of the Chinese Yuan is definitely a move to counter the rising popularity of digital currencies such as Bitcoin, Ethereum, Ripple, and other cryptos in their own land. The Chinese government, instead of adopting these already existing cryptocurrencies, made one for their own so that they will have a complete control over it. China would never allow a foreign or any cryptocurrency to dominate their domestic day to day economic activity over which they do not have any kind of power or authority.
944  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If not a "store of value" or "medium of exchange" ... on: September 28, 2019, 08:48:52 AM
bitcoin is a store of value. as it first needs to be a store of value to then be a medium of exchange.
by this i mean if having no value, people wont want to exchange it.


I'm not trolling, OK? But I believe we debated about this before, and you said that Bitcoin should be a medium of exchange first to be valuable, and that because of small blocks, Bitcoin cannot be a medium of exchange. Or am I confused?

It must be 'easy' exchangable to get value at all - if u cannot transfer, nobody wants it / can handle it -> useless Wink

Bitcoin should be P2P cash - per definition.  so it should be free to transfer


But if no one wants to hold it, no one would accept it as a medium of exchange. "Medium of exchange" is not only for its sake. It also has to be a store of value, for later use as a medium of exchange. Cool



We know, it is chicken & egg.

But Bitcoin is fully digital / electronic

So it MUST be the cheapest and easy medium of exchange - it's purely intuitive and it is even TOP LEVEL ADVERTISED as the NEW  e-cash

so what is the issue ? BTC is not  Bitcoin and money any more - it cannot be a store of value for its only sake  Wink


I would say yes to all of that, if the technical solution was as easy as increasing the block size to increase transaction throughput, BUT without preventing the network from scaling out.


Bitcoin was designed to be digital - it does not need artificial barriers - it can do, what computers can do - so let it do - it is honest by design


 Roll Eyes You're trolling.

Newbies, in reality there are barriers to scaling. It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network, and giving up some of its actual value proposition, which is censorship-resistance.

That is precisely the reason why scalability remains a problem as far as the Bitcoin network is concerned. And this problem will get more and more serious as Bitcoin is getting the adoption and actual utility as a mode of exchange that everyone is dreaming of.

Segwit provided a solution, a little solution, a temporary one, to the gigantic problem of scalability. But as more and more people adopt Bitcoin, the problem will arise once again.

Lightning network is another solution to this big problem. But, as mentioned, "It can't scale on-chain without centralizing the network."

There we go! There is a real barrier in there.
945  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why decentralized ? on: September 28, 2019, 08:23:36 AM
Anthony Pompliano, Morgan Creek Digital, joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the price of bitcoin and the future of the currency.
very nice Interview here
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/27/people-will-choose-a-currency-that-the-government-cant-control-bitcoin-pro.html

maybe another reason is about privacy, so i still believe if the future of privacy coins is bright ?
what about you ?

Privacy is one huge factor in the game of cryptocurrency. You remove privacy and perhaps you are already removing one very vital organ of the crypto body. It might end up too vital as to cause crypto's untimely death.

But of course, the privacy that different cryptocurrencies are offering vary in degrees. Monero being the most popular privacy coin. It certainly puts Bitcoin behind it, not even the second in line as there are also other altcoins whose primary feature is privacy. For me, Dash comes second.
946  Economy / Economics / Re: Venezuela's central bank is holding Cryptocurrency! on: September 28, 2019, 07:58:17 AM
According to the latest information from Bitcoin.com, they have reported on this. I don't know if this is a bad effect or a good effect on the market? Everyone can make a point here.

The more demand there is to Bitcoin, the better. That is the basic logic of something whose value is determined exactly by that rule.

This kind of news is actually widespread even before. It has already spread before that Venezuela will make use of Bitcoin to get away from the sanctions imposed upon them from their western enemies. And this is really a good development for Bitcoin. Perhaps the only negative thing that one can deduce from it is that associating these days with Venezuela's Maduro government is bad for its reputation.
947  Economy / Economics / Re: How long can you endure? on: September 28, 2019, 04:45:36 AM
It is good to be Optimistic, but sometimes you assume the worst so as to be able to endure the hard time, we have thought the bearish  be over by now, different speculations...with the view of things, the bear persists,there is a lenght to which everyone can persevere in tough time. how long can you endure the bear?

Assuming the worst is a really nice defense mechanism, which we could perfectly apply to our crypto adventure. The prices shoot up and then nosedive and then move a little sideways and then nosedive again, and so on and so forth, up to eternity most probably unless there will come a stability of some sort that many of us are waiting and hoping.

But what had just happened is not the worse, far from it, not even close. The price fell, there was more than a thousand USD lost, but it quickly stopped as it quickly happened and we are now seeing a little green. This is not the worse for sure. I don't mind enduring this round. If I'm not mistaken, we will be seeing better days within a week's time.
948  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will the listing of CARDANO to binance help the price? on: September 28, 2019, 03:52:02 AM
The chances are pretty low as most of the exchanges already have listed ADA. So if anybody would desperately wanna have to buy ADA they would have already bought it from other exchanges. The listing of ADA on binance 'might' help to increase the price for a short term but it won't make a significant difference in it's price.

We are actually discussing here about ADA getting listed on Binance.US and not just Binance. ADA has already been listed with Binance a long time ago but not yet on its US branch. There is this hype because the US market is rather large. The targets are not the long time ADA supporters and traders but the US market in particular.

Here is a helpful link of the news: https://cointelegraph.com/news/binanceus-opens-deposits-for-ada-bat-etc-xlm-zrx
949  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the movement for alternative money a response to? on: September 28, 2019, 02:54:21 AM

Peer to peer means that the middleman in today’s traditional
transaction could disappear if cryptocurrencies revolutionize money.


Cryptocurrencies, in fact, represent a vote of no confidence in the policies
of central banks and government monopoly of money. These ‘peers’ see central
banks as consistently devaluing money through currencies that aren’t backed by anything
but government promises.

But what if the money revolution succeeds?

As in any revolution, today’s top dogs have the most to lose.

And do you seriously think it will happen? Before any of these money revolutions that you have in mind achieves something significant, these top dogs you are talking about have already changed colors and joined the fray, or have started negotiations, or have already bribed their way to the heads. Or perhaps even before the revolution gets serious, the top dogs have already planned their best moves.

Think of crypto. And think of the traditional banks of these top dogs. And now think of how they are already opening up for Bitcoin. Think of how they are slowly adopting this and that, brilliantly swaying with the wind.
950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Nano is better than Bitcoin! Do you hold any? on: July 26, 2019, 02:56:10 PM
Tell that to all the members here on BITCOINtalk. Please, if you really want to promote Nano, do it in a way that is worthy of your payment.  Grin Do not attempt to promote it comparing to the very reason why Nano is here in the first place. Compare it to other altcoins within Nano's level. Do not compare an altcoin with Bitcoin as if Bitcoin needs to go. Because if that happens, Nano will also die.
951  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you be mad if satoshi sold all coins they own right now? on: July 25, 2019, 03:18:09 PM
I will not get mad. It is his in the first place. Why should I prevent anyone from selling his possession, something he has rights and control over? He has the sole discretion over it. But I will be sad of course. Because that would mean that he is not thinking of the welfare of his creation. That will give a very huge, even fatal, crash to the price of Bitcoin.
952  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Be careful of alts you hodl on: July 22, 2019, 12:25:33 PM
I was just looking at the coinmarketcap table since 2013, I was surprised in what I saw, many coins topping the charts then are now almost non-existent, we need to be careful of the kind of coins we hodl especially for long term. Most of these projects just die after the initial hype.

Yes, be very very careful. It is either you choose the few ones that have been on top for a long time time or do not hodl any at all. There are only a handful of great altcoins. The rest are, as what a lot of experts say, mere shitcoins. Many altcoins are just jumping on the crypto bandwagon for the sake of money.
953  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's hear it from the leaders themselves! on: July 22, 2019, 11:37:04 AM
A very wide variety of views on Bitcoin and Blockchain technology, but you can see there is a lot of confusion and misinformation that are guiding these opinions. Let's not forget that these leaders are being influenced by people <Banking shills> and previous employees of very powerful financial institutions that wants Crypto currencies to fail.  Roll Eyes

The moment when a leader starts talking about "Blockchain" technology, you know they are being fed some BS by these people. <Why... well these people want their own Blockchain technologies to succeed and they want other Crypto currencies to fail.>  Roll Eyes

It is nice to see that the country leaders themselves speak of their idea about Blockchain and Bitcoin. Although it is mostly blockchain that is really mentioned here. However, accepting the reality that Blockchain is here and that it could give potential advantages to the people and the country itself is an indirect acceptance of the rise of Bitcoin. Bitcoin being the banner carrier of the Blockchain technology.

I know advisers are surrounding these leaders. Most of them might be stating things that are under the instruction of their advisers. This goes to show that Blockchain and hopefully Bitcoin have already reached the ears of policy makers and influencers of the different leaders of the world.
954  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: When will the bull market come? on: July 21, 2019, 10:13:12 AM
There is already uncertainty when the real bull run is going to arrive. There were many who are saying that the Bitcoin rally recently that got to $14,000 was already the bull run, but as far as my prediction is concerned, it was not yet the bull run. It was a simple pump but not yet the main bull run. I was hoping that the bull run was in June. It seems it is going to be in August or September. $16,000 is the price to be targeted in this bull run.
955  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash on: July 20, 2019, 10:26:41 AM
Bitcoin Cash is just a result of a lack of consensus among the members of the team behind Bitcoin. Disagreement, instead of getting ironed out and keeping the coin whole, resulted into a faction and eventually into a split. But Bitcoin Cash is never the original Bitcoin as what they've repeatedly claimed. I would say it is indeed unnecessary. If I know, even Jihan Wu and Roger Ver themselves, still own a lot of Bitcoin. 
956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is BNB the new ETH killer on: July 20, 2019, 07:41:02 AM
Even CZ himself has already responded to this baseless rumor. There is no sense pitting Ethereum against Binance. Both are great contributors to the cryptocurrency agenda. Binance and Ethereum may be competitors to a certain extent but this is a healthy competition, all for the benefit of crypto.
957  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 319th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: July 19, 2019, 10:57:53 AM
f - NathanJB

Good luck!
958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Exchanges to be careful about IEO listing. on: July 17, 2019, 12:41:39 PM
That is why IEOs are a lot safer to invest than ICOs because there is another layer of review that is done by the exchanges. And for sure, the exchanges will not allow themselves to be used as a platform of a dubious project. A thorough review of the project as well as its potentials in the market will certainly be conducted by the team of the exchanges. The success is therefore a little higher as compared to a very open ICO market.
959  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: [DAILY FREE RAFFLE] 317th JUST BECAUSE I AM STILL IN A GOOD MOOD FREE BITCOIN on: July 17, 2019, 11:55:05 AM
c - NathanJB

Good luck!
960  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What ease your mind the most about bitcoin on: July 17, 2019, 03:05:37 AM
Mine is Cheesy no single organisation or government has control over bitcoin, what is yours?

I love the way Bitcoin is also beyond the control of the government agencies as well as the banks. This is very weird yet amazing these days when everything is under the powerful dictation of the elites which are either sitting on the government thrones or at the bank offices. Bitcoin is truly revolutionary. Not to mention the fact that Bitcoin knows no jurisdiction.
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