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961  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE prediction market launched on: April 24, 2012, 05:27:41 AM
Subbed, this looks like an excellent development.

I think GLBSE should build its own and not rely on Inkling

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77265.msg866035#msg866035
962  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Anti-Pirate: Bonds for negative BTCST investments on: April 24, 2012, 04:51:04 AM
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Current automated market makers over binary events suffer from two problems that make them impractical. First, they are unable to adapt to liquidity, so trades cause prices to move the same amount in both thick and thin markets. Sec- ond, under normal circumstances, the market maker runs at a deficit.
Wow. Completely useless algorithms then.


On the other hand, it looks like one of Nefario's goals is similar to one use case I have for prediction markets.

Here is a link to a quick and easy synopsis to the automated market maker paper that I linked to earlier.

http://www.bayesianinvestor.com/blog/index.php/2010/06/21/an-improved-automated-market-maker/

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It starts out by providing a small amount of liquidity, and increases the amount of liquidity it provides as it profits from providing liquidity. This allows markets to initially make large moves in response to a small amount of trading volume, and then as a trading range develops that reflects agreement among traders, it takes increasingly large amounts of money to move the price.

I was really sad to see that GLBSE put in a pre-made prediction market from some 3rd party.  Not only is it not viable but make some modifications to their code could potentially create vulnerabilities in the system to hacking.  Hopefully something better will come out of this as it is only a test.
963  Other / Politics & Society / Re: usury = not cool on: April 24, 2012, 04:46:57 AM
Um, why are people not borrowing money at 0% and then lending it out to tother people for more?
964  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Anti-Pirate: Bonds for negative BTCST investments on: April 24, 2012, 04:37:29 AM
500 bonds are now being offered for 1.1 BTC each.

That was fast. But two major problems:

1. "a prediction market for GLBSE events." What's that about? It should be a prediction market for any event, or perhaps any Bitcoin-related event.
2. Apparently this uses Inkling which 'uses an "automated market maker" to control trading.' I don't know if I like this, we should have the possibility to place bids and asks. (Well, at least the algorithms were designed by Robin Hanson who is pretty cool.)
3. Why is the currency $?

Looks like Nefario's goals with this are completely different from what I had in mind.

Thanks for pointing that out, I totally missed what algorithm it is using.  From the Inkling site:

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Unlike the real stock market or most other prediction markets, Inkling Markets uses an "automated market maker" to control trading.

In typical stock markets, a human buyer must be matched with a human seller of stock. For example, if Joe is selling 50 shares at $50/share, there must be a buyer willing to pay that price and vice versa. The price of the stock itself is based on the supply and demand of the finite number of shares in play. In a real stock market and even most prediction markets in existence today, these transactions are all handled by computers, enabling millions of transactions like this to take place automatically each day.

In Inkling Markets, we do not force a buyer to be matched with a seller, and vice versa. From a trader's perspective, Inkling Markets is always the buyer and seller of shares and there is no limit to the number of shares in play. Inkling Markets also sets the stock price according to demand or lack there of. If a trader buys shares, there is demand for the stock and its price goes up. If a trader sells, there is a lack of demand and the price goes down.

The principles behind our algorithms originate from research by Professor Robin Hanson at George Mason University. Here is some background about Hanson's automated market maker:

I replied to one of nefario's posts linking to this paper: A Practical LIquidity-Sensitive Automated Market Maker.

In the paper it states:

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Current automated market makers over binary events suffer from two problems that make them impractical. First, they are unable to adapt to liquidity, so trades cause prices to move the same amount in both thick and thin markets. Sec- ond, under normal circumstances, the market maker runs at a deficit.

It goes on to state:

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The amount of liquidity in LMSR [Hanson's logarithmic market scoring rule] is a parameter set a priori before the market maker knows what bets traders will place. Setting the liquidity is more art than science—a constant dilemma for almost everyone who has implemented LMSR. Too little liquidity makes prices fluctuate wildly af- ter every trade; too much makes prices barely budge even following large bets. Exacerbating the problem, the amount prices move for a fixed bet in LMSR is a constant. The 1,000,001st dollar moves the price as much as the first, counter to intuitive notions of liquidity.
Higher liquidity is good for traders but comes at the cost of increasing the market maker’s worst-case loss. In general, an LMSR operator can expect to lose money in proportion to the liquidity it provides (Pennock and Sami, 2007). The cost is rationalized as payment for traders’ information. Yet subsidized markets are the exception rather than the rule. The vast majority of markets run at a profit. It’s no coin- cidence that most examples of LMSR in practice are games based on virtual currency rather than real money.

I was waiting for the bond buyback feature and the contract changes to come into effect on GLBSE before making my type of insurance bonds.  I was also hesitant because GLBSE was going to make its own speculative market.  The GLBSE speculative market does not look viable and I think I could go with my plans. 
965  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm just going to leave this here... on: April 24, 2012, 04:07:55 AM
This is dumb. It looks at revenues, not expenses, it only looks at "income" taxes, etc. There is a story here but that infographic does not tell it, it will only preach to the choir.

Not to mention that many of the small and medium sized oil and gas companies are not even corporations, but instead are LLCs or limited partnerships so they won't be taxed at the corporate tax rate anyway.  The larger oil and gas companies are involved in international markets and that revenue is not subject to the corporate tax rate.
966  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Nominated for Wyoming Legislature on: April 24, 2012, 03:43:35 AM
You should propose to do like Utah did for gold.  Make bitcoin an official currency of Wyoming.
967  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drugs are Bad for You on: April 24, 2012, 03:36:41 AM


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Mary O’Dell, the mother of 24-year-old Brandon Montgomery Daniel told the Associated Press that her son’s role in the fatal shooting of Austin Senior Police Officer Jaime Padron was fueled by alcohol and psychotropic drugs.


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Toxicology tests confirm that the chimpanzee that severely mauled a Connecticut woman in February had the anti-anxiety drug Xanax in his system.

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    Eric Harris, the triggerman in the Columbine school shootings, killed his fellow students and took his own life while taking Luvox.

    Thirteen year-old Chris Fetters killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Twelve year-old Christopher Pittman murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Thirteen year-old Mathew Miller hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Fifteen year-old Jarred Viktor stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.

    Fifteen year old Kip Kinkel (Prozac and RITALIN) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham aged 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin) a 14-year-old opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed.

    Young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, aged 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, aged 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, aged 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, aged 19, (Psychiatric Drugs – various) Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush aged 13 (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

    Another boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) had a stand off at the school.

    Jarred Viktor aged 15 (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan aged 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.


How Psychedelic Drugs Can Help Patients Face Death


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Pam Sakuda was 55 when she found out she was dying. Shortly after having a tumor removed from her colon, she heard the doctor’s dreaded words: Stage 4; metastatic. Sakuda was given 6 to 14 months to live. Determined to slow her disease’s insidious course, she ran several miles every day, even during her grueling treatment regimens. By nature upbeat, articulate and dignified, Sakuda — who died in November 2006, outlasting everyone’s expectations by living for four years — was alarmed when anxiety and depression came to claim her after she passed the 14-month mark, her days darkening as she grew closer to her biological demise...

...Before Pam Sakuda died, she described her psilocybin experience on video: “I felt this lump of emotions welling up . . . almost like an entity,” Sakuda said, as she spoke straight into the camera. “I started to cry. . . . Everything was concentrated and came welling up and then . . . it started to dissipate, and I started to look at it differently. . . . I began to realize that all of this negative fear and guilt was such a hindrance . . . to making the most of and enjoying the healthy time that I’m having.” Sakuda went on to explain that, under the influence of the psilocybin, she came to a very visceral understanding that there was a present, a now, and that it was hers to have....

...Lauri Reamer is a 48-year-old survivor of adult-onset leukemia...but the illness and the brutal bone-marrow treatments she underwent left a deep mental scar, a profound fear that the cancer would return made it difficult to experience any joy in life. Her illness was lurking around every corner, waiting to haul her away. “When I was near death, I wasn’t so afraid of it,” Reamer said, “but once I went into remission, well, I had an intense fear and anxiety around relapse and death.”

...Griffiths says that he and his research team found an ideal range of dosage levels — 20 to 30 milligrams of psilocybin — that not only reliably stimulated “mystical insights” but also elicited “sustained positive changes in attitude, mood and behavior” in the study volunteers. Specifically, when Griffiths administered a psychological test called the Death Transcendance Scale at the 1- and 14-month follow-up, he saw subjects’ ratings rise on statements like “Death is never just an ending but part of a process” and “My death does not end my personal existence.”

...The subjects who have undergone psilocybin treatment report an increased appreciation for the time they have left, a deeper awareness of their roles in the cycle of life and an increased motivation to invest their days with meaning.

If David Nutt, in Britain, is able to prove the efficacy of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression, would the F.D.A. ever consider approving it for that use? And if that ever were to happen, what sort of slippery slope would we find ourselves on? If, say, end-stage cancer patients can have it, then why not all individuals over the age of, say, 75? If treatment-resistant depressives can have it, then why not their dysthymic counterparts, who suffer in a lower key but whose lives are clearly compromised by their chronic pain? And if dysthymic individuals can have it, then why not those suffering from agoraphobia, shut up day and night in cramped quarters, Xanax bottles littered everywhere?

Halpern is not particularly worried about this theoretical future, in large part because he doesn’t see much hope for psilocybin as a medicine. “There’s no money in it,” he says. “What drug company is going to invest millions in a substance widely available in our flora and fauna?”

So the moral of the story is to stop taking Xanax and Prozac and go back to our ancestrial heritage of speaking to the Machine Elves with psilocybin.

Quote from: Rick Doblin
Why confine this to just the dying? This powerful intervention could be used with young adults who could then reap the benefits of it much earlier.
968  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE prediction market launched on: April 24, 2012, 02:55:55 AM
Several questions have been approved and are active.

I believe that I also hold the power of deciding the answer of the question (as the admin). I'll be happy to hand this off to someone else who is trustworthy if this takes off (if not then I won't have to).

To give incentive to people to make questions the question maker should get a portion of any fees gained from the prediction market question they made.  It could be some kind of management fee to them.  If there is some kind of argument that needs a  higher moderator to settle the dispute, and the moderator has a decision opposite of what the question maker has, then the question maker could lose their management fee.  Also, market makers should be given some kind of incentive too.
969  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE prediction market launched on: April 24, 2012, 02:29:24 AM
You should put all times listed in the prediction market as UTC.

Who determines if the correct answer to the question?

I think it's the question creator, but when they ask the question they need to state where the information comes from, i.e. in the Bitcoin price question the answer is determined by the average price on MtGox at a specific date...or something like that.

What is the incentive the question creator has in maintaining the question?  Does the question creator get some kind of percentage of the revenue generated?
970  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE prediction market launched on: April 24, 2012, 02:15:37 AM
You should put all times listed in the prediction market as UTC.

Who determines if the correct answer to the question?
971  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] [CONCEPT] Anti-Pirate: Bonds for negative BTCST investments on: April 23, 2012, 07:07:50 AM
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I don't know what kind of bubble you live in

If your defense is "oh but I didn't know cause I don't read the forums or mpex or go on IRC or anything else" that means YOU are the one in the bubble. Good luck with that.
I read the forum plenty, please direct me to a place where you announced your offering prior to my own proposal, preferably in a relevant section.

You may be right that I am missing out on IRC, but it doesn't seem like a very productive medium to me. I can usually be found in #bitcoin-il though.

I don't follow mpex closely, nor do I see a reason why I should.

Meni can you create a negative MPEx bond instead? That is, a bond allowing us to short the continued existence of MPEx. I would invest heavily in such a bond
That's... Interesting, I guess.

Meni, you need to cite your sources.  Who invented shorting?

Joking aside, I was thinking of offering an asset like this.  I even emailed nefario asking if it was OK to offer this kind of asset but he never contacted me back.  I figured since he was going to install some kind of prediction market on GLBSE that my offering would be voided after that, which was my reason for contacting him.  I see a slight problem with your asset but you can find out when I create my own  Tongue
972  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS - Bitcoin Mining & Sales on: April 23, 2012, 06:58:38 AM
Do I understand it right that I hardly can buy the BFLS.FUTURES on the market as I don't know from whom I do buy them and where he was on the list.
Do you still offer the futures for 0.7 for the minirig? How does it work? If I ask for let say 20 - you put ask order of 20@0.7 to let me buy in or how?

It was posted about a week ago that the order would be placed soon.  Maybe you missed the boat.  Right now there is over 200 immediately available on glbse.
973  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE 2.0 open for testing on: April 22, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
We could but I'd think it would be better to have it as a separate twitter feed.

That would be great.
974  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly on: April 22, 2012, 07:46:20 AM

Nice work stochastic. I hope this could calm down some pricing craziness of certain assets in the GLBSE in the long run.

One suggestion though: is it more appropriate to calculate the dividend returns with (dividend of last week)/(average price of last week)? It could prevent someone from manipulating the result by putting a fake ask wall, say, 1-2 hours before you post each week's report.

I don't think my weekly reports has that much of an impact on prices.  There has only been 1307 views in 3 weeks, or maybe that is a lot but I don't know.  I really just report them because I do it myself anyway and I wanted to see what the market wants for weekly returns.

I wanted the weekly dividend report to give an estimated return in dividends for the next week based on what they could get at that moment.  I could add the previous weeks low, high, and weighted mean.  I really don't believe in fake bid/ask walls are well manipulation tools unless they are naked.  If someone puts up an ask with the purpose of manipulating the dividend rate (which would essentially increase the dividend percentage on my tables), then it is entirely possible that someone can purchase those contracts and get the assets at that price with the estimated dividend rate.

I hope that people don't just look at the dividend return percentage and make a bid.  That would be crazy.  For one, future dividends are not dependent on past dividends.  The next week's dividends can be due to mining difficulty, competency of the asset manager, earnings changes, or equipment failure.  Also, the price may change.  What someone could do with this table is to take the weekly total dividend that I report and find the estimated dividend return on the ask price at the time they are thinking of buying.

Over time we can also see what is the rate of change in the dividend amounts over the weeks.  Which assets are declining and which are rising.  With the mining stocks we can look at the change in dividend rate and the difficulty level.

In the future I hope with the API that this kind of information can be reported in real time like it is done with other financial assets.
975  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE 2.0 open for testing on: April 22, 2012, 07:16:35 AM
Does the twitter feed only show the trades executed?  Can it also report any dividends paid?
976  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Dividend Returns - updated weekly on: April 22, 2012, 06:56:57 AM
Does anyone know any information about the assets MATH or FPGA-EU?  I have searched the forums but have not found any information regarding them.

did that include the glbse forums at https://glbse.com/forum/index.php

I'm currently locked out until I get a password reset, but I also did a hunt around for these earlier this week and couldn't find anything.

marked

Yes I did, but in their search nothing comes up for these.  I added FPGA-EU because it seems to have weekly dividends.  MATH payed out a dividend but I am not sure if it is weekly.  I will be adding a monthly dividend payout at the end of this month.  I am looking forward to the API.  If it does not come out soon I may write something that will just take the twitter feed and do this automatically for me.  I have never looked at the Twitter feed before, and doing it now I don't see any notification of dividends.  I only see trades, but I will keep an eye on it.
977  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANNOUNCE GLBSE] 1500 PPT.A Pirate Pass Through Bonds on: April 21, 2012, 06:17:33 PM
Not to nick pick or anything, but why does this "zero-coupon bond" mature with a par value of 1.28 and not 1.00, which would be the normal par value for this type of financial security?

Overall great concept though, thanks for the contribution to the overall BTC community.



the .28 is essentially the interest.  A 'coupon' is the interest you receive.  Rather than sell 1 BTC bonds with .28 BTC coupons, its just a 0 coupon, 1.28 BTC bond.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_(bond) is a good read to explain a bit better.

I understand all that.  But in the so-called real world, zero-coupon bonds will nearly always have a par value of 1.00 (usually $1000).  As such the original pricing would be something like .85 or whatever for these types of bonds, subject to market forces.

Again, I'm being nick picky, but if GLBSE/PPT is already trying to mimic a lot of practices that already exist in the financial world, why not go the same route with this type of instrument?
Well the idea developed over time.  Originally they were "priced" at 1.00 and paid a 0.28 dividend, and we were going to insure them for 25% of 1.00.  Then it was pointed out that it would be better to treat them more like zero coupon bonds with a face value of 1.28 and insure that for 25% (0.32) so we kind of got stuck with the 1.28 face value.  However, it is kind of nice the way it is.  The minimum bid is 1.00 and the max bid is 1.28.  Doing it the other way the minimum bid woudl be 0.78125 with a face value of 1.00000.  We may switch to that in the future.  Perhaps when we start each issue on it's second round we will rewrite the contracts to the more standard form (0.78125 minimum, face value of 1.00000).  If BS&T changes their program we will most certainly change ours and at that time we will probably move to the 1.00000 face value system.  Thanks!

1.00 is just a number so who cares.

It would a fun experiment to issue a few bonds with PPT only telling how many bonds are going for sale and how much it will mature for.
978  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wall street not greedy enough. Not a joke. Let me teach you how to be greedy. on: April 21, 2012, 07:22:16 AM
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I proposed cutting all Earth military budgets by half (which does not disturb the balance of power) and putting those trillions of dollars per year into research toward practical mass produced warp drive

While you do this, I will increase my military budget by 10 fold, crush the rest of the world and steal all their natural resources.  I think I am more greedy.

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I love stock markets overall because I'm greedy toward maximizing the productivity of Earth for everyone

You have a strange idea of what greed is.  I want everyone to be productive so I don't have to.

A true greedy person would say.

"I don't want to be a product of my environment, I want my environment to be a product of me."
979  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tuition fees on: April 21, 2012, 07:14:06 AM
lets look at 3 students...a high school graduate, a guy that went to university for a few years and a doctor...

i think logically you would think...unless your the doctor, you would want tuition to increase. In the end we are all paying for the doctors education, and he is the one that will be making the biggest salary. so I do not understand the whole not wanting to pay for your own education.

another problem is for those like me who went to college for a few years but got kicked out for my lack of interest and attendance nd failing marks. I wasted taxpayers money, and the right thing for me to do was to pay for my own failures.

thanks for picking up that tab...

its a no brainer, paying your own way is the way to go.

Agreed, a college eduction is almost worthless since there are so many people going to university.  Now what is required is some advanced professional degree or training.  The best education is entrepreneurial and the most important parts of that knowledge won't be taught in school.

To decrease fees for education then there needs to be less demand for education.  If government pays for most tution then there is no reason for people not to demand education and thus the price skyrockets.  Since more people have an education, they are preferred over people that don't hold a diploma and so those "uneducated" people go to the university increasing demand.

Higher education is mostly just a scam.  People can learn some cool things there, but most of that learning could be done with self discipline and an internet connection.  My favorite scam is educators telling students that the world needs more scientists and engineers.  Then when that student gets a degree in science or engineering there is no good jobs.  So they have to go to graduate school to get an even more advanced degree.  Then when they go look  for a job again there is no private sector jobs.  They have to go work at a university where they basically teach another generation of people in science and engineering.

My personal advise for anyone is to get some cheap textbooks on math and computer science.  Sit down and study and actually try to solve problems.  You will finish in 1/5th the time and thousands of dollars richer.  Then go out and try to sell something to a stranger as often as you can.
980  Other / Off-topic / Re: Feds shutter online narcotics store that used TOR to hide its tracks on: April 21, 2012, 06:55:08 AM
There is a good reason to try and prosecute and place people in prison, specially in the US OF A.

Some shocking statistics shows that the privately owned(yes most prisons seem to be privately owned by large corporate groups) prisons profit upwards of $50k per prisoner per year from the government.

So get caught with weed and they throw you in some arbitrary prison for a year or 2, thats a easy $100k profit for the prison you end up at and a -$100k from the government and directly paid by taxpayers.

Fucking depressing how corrupt all these things are, its not about putting real convicts behind bars anymore.

Bingo.  I have heard arguments where the government should legalize drugs as it wills ave money, but then that money the government does not pay anymore does not go into someone's pocket anymore.  The people fighting the war on drugs make more money than all the cartels selling cocaine and heroin every year.

Think about it this way, if drugs were legal then there would not be a need for most of the police state, and that police state is unionized.
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