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961  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: February 03, 2024, 01:57:59 PM
After leaving really horrible 4 weeks behind in the league Newcastle finally started to win again.  Smiley  First the FA Cup win by 2-0 against Fulham and later on a really big win against Aston Villa away by 3-1. These can really the signs of the beginning of recovery period. I still don't want to be prejudiced about them though.

Today Newcastle are going to host Luton. They are of course heavily favoured side on paper but still they should be really careful. Luton are on the rise these days. I really admired their performance against Brighton. We shouldn't forget about Luton's 1-0 victory over Newcastle in the first half of the season too.
It is very dangerous to bet on a team that is unstable while Newcastle have lost consistently in the previous 4 matches and a win against Aston Villa could indeed be an initial sign of improving performance but for me a team that is unstable has only shown one win which is not enough to convince me.
personally, I would choose to bet on Luton score over 0.5 with odds @1.5 even though in this match Luton is playing away but Luton already knows Newcastle weakness, whereas in the previous match Luton was always able to score at least 1 score and this means Luton can repeat its previous performance.
Newcastle is actually in a difficult position with several players injured while playing against a team that should be considered weak but it is possible that in this match they will repeat the same mistakes.

In this match, I'm sure there are many bettors who don't want to take too big a risk, choosing Newcastle as the winner because it has made bettors lose several times before.
962  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: February 03, 2024, 01:16:25 PM
BTW, let's talk about bookies.


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As we know, both Leverkusen and Bayern Munich will definitely give everything they have to win each match, but if you were faced with 2 choices, which one would you choose? Bayern Munich with @1.17 or Leverkusen with @1.27?
I would choose neither.
betting on the winning team will be very risky whereas we have the same risk but the odds are too small.
for me, I would prefer to bet on a handicap with bigger odds even though it is very risky but we have to remember that small odds are also too risky but if we choose bigger odds when we win it will be very profitable compared to small odds but the winnings are not worth the risk we take.

like Darmstadt vs Leverkusen, for me the odds are a little doubtful because usually Leverkusen always get odds of less than @1.2 but I saw from the bookie that Leverkusen has odds @1.32 which means there could be a surprise that happens but looking at the data on injured players there is actually no problem on the Leverkusen player and rather than doubting it would be better I would choose to bet on the -1 handicap with odds @1.46 because I am sure that at least Leverkusen will score 2 scores and Darmstadt will not score.

and for Bayern Munich vs Monchengladbach I will bet on btts with odds @1.64
I'm sure that in this match both teams are guaranteed to score because since then when the two teams meet and compete they can always score and I'm also sure there will be a big score in that match.
of the bets I choose, this is much better for me than having to choose a team that wins with small odds.
963  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: February 03, 2024, 01:06:53 PM
During this winter AC Milan was about to hire Armando Broja from Chelsea and this could improve the team a lot but they couldn't do that because of the financial limitations.
Armando Broja played in 19 games for Cheslea so far and he scored two goals and had two assists but he also got injured and lost his place in Cheslea.
But with a 3.5 million euros offer Fulham could AC Milan and got Armando Broja for a loan.


I am sure that if Armando Broja can perform well while he is at Chelsea, he will definitely be made permanent soon because I never thought that Chelsea was lacking in terms of finances because the wealth that Chelsea has is still enough to bring in quality players.
Armando Broja is a very talented young player, it's just that he is in a team that maybe for me is not the right one, but being at Chelsea also doesn't provide a guarantee because currently Chelsea is experiencing difficulties in terms of performance.
there is nothing wrong if Chelsea wants to try to find references for other players and continue to look for young players who can help improve this team performance and it looks like Pochettino will continue to hunt for young players in the current transfer market.
964  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To what extent have you hated yourself due to your gambling losses? on: February 02, 2024, 09:05:03 PM
I often tell the story of my gambling journey in the past where I felt like a bad addict and I answered yes, I have experienced that.
at that time, before I recovered from addiction and had time to leave this forum for a moment, I really regretted selling something valuable because I was tempted by a previous bet which had made me lose and chased after that loss, but in the end I couldn't think wisely, all the money I had was lost. in gambling and finally I left gambling, I didn't go home and left the house for more than a week. I just isolated myself in a building. I thought about regretting that I couldn't control myself and had sold all my valuables and the item I sold was the last valuable item. that I have.
but luckily someone I didn't know passed in front of me and saw my condition like a depressed person and long story short I told that person about my regrets and he advised me to go home and I finally told my family about everything. I was addicted and finally I was matched by a woman who is now my wife who helped me recover from addiction.
this story happened before I got married and now I have forgotten everything about my past and I have become a more responsible gambler and have never regretted anything I did in the past.

It's normal to regret losing at gambling, but always apply wise thinking to think that tomorrow we will get compensation for the losses we experienced, whether from our work salary bonus or from anywhere else, but be assured that these losses are your valuable experience and you don't need to regret them.
965  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe in gambling experts predictions? on: February 02, 2024, 08:55:36 PM
Analysis is possible, but an accurate prediction that will give you a winning outcome always? Not in any chance, as even a heavy underdog can upset the favorites. You can use this analysis and try to follow up on how those experienced gamblers take their prediction, but better not to follow them blindly to the point that you will pay for it just to ride on with their shared predictions.
In other words, we can see or follow the predictions of these experts, but only to compare the analysis we have done before and still prioritize the predictions we make ourselves, while the predictions given by experienced gamblers will only be a reference.
I often see predictions from experienced gamblers and I never pay anything, it's just that I usually after making a prediction and being a little confused I will compare it with the predictions of several experts and see if my predictions are similar to the predictions they made and if they are almost the same but there are some are different, I still believe more in my own predictions.

there are lots of prediction channels out there from expert bettors who share the results of their predictions for free, but for me, these predictions don't work well, in fact they just make inconsequential predictions which can lead us astray.
so I support what you have said, if it's just for comparison, that's fine, but don't follow the experts' predictions too much.
966  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: gambling for fun vs gambling for the financial benefit. on: February 02, 2024, 08:30:32 PM
Yes, winning can give us happiness, especially if the win is big. We want to get another big win and because of that, we will be lured back into continuing gambling even though we might not get as lucky as before. We will become greedy because we want an even bigger win so we are willing to sacrifice the winnings we have earned to get another big win. And at that moment, we will see that the big win will not always come after we win because it will also depend on our luck. If we are lucky, we can get that big win, but if not, we will only lose money, which could even take away all the money we have won. That's why we must be wise and know what we must do after winning. And it's better for us to immediately end the gambling game after getting a big win to enjoy the winnings and celebrate with our friends or family.
one day we will always ask ourselves when we come to gambling with a feeling of wanting to have fun but are lucky to get big win but why do we forget our own rules and become greedy?
sometimes a gambler has the intention to gamble to try his luck by having fun, but when he is lucky, gambler should stop betting and withdraw his winnings and enjoy the results of that luck, but for some reason, to this day, I still find it difficult to commit when I get a small win, I can't immediately stop gambling but have the desire to bet again for at least 5 or 10 more rounds.

therefore, most people often say that winning is the beginning of greed and greed is the beginning of addiction because it is a fact that we have to know that when we win big, we have to force ourselves to really stop gambling and we also have to force ourselves to end the session our bet.
this way is to avoid the regret of losing our winnings again when the initial plan was to gamble to have fun but in the end it ended in a bad way.
967  Other / Off-topic / Re: Know when to stop on: February 02, 2024, 07:50:03 PM
It's not just about mind games, but emotional games, heart games, greed games, desire games and others that can trigger yourself to be worse if you can't control yourself, it's very complex if you read it well, so it's important to know your gambling goals from the beginning in order to manage yourself well and ensure funds can stop gambling. Everything that is written attracts you to want to win with a lot on offer, for example someone who gets a big win, even though that day he can stop but tomorrow he wants the same win and even wants a bigger win than the previous win, this if you do not have good self-control will make a pattern and the gambler will continue to gamble as soon as he can be hooked to get a win.
knowing the right time to stop is very easy but it is difficult to fight against our own thoughts and mentality.
someone will always easily talk to other people or say stop when it's time but it's not as easy as they say because we have to fight with thoughts that are emotional and tempted by gambling.
but we can always try, even though there are always difficulties in learning to know the right time to stop, but we can learn to get used to easier methods such as limiting losses or when we lose 4 times, stop immediately or limit winnings when they reach $10.

with this basic method, we can get used to our mentality to be strong enough to resist the temptation to gamble after our mentality and thoughts get used to this basic method, we can try to use other methods to be more consistent in always stopping when we win or lose.
968  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Another question? Tell me your average amount per bet and your monthly income? on: February 02, 2024, 07:21:53 PM
Disclosing one's monthly earnings here I don't think is a good gesture and that's why I'm not gonna be part of people that are going to do that but talking about my monthly limits in terms of betting, I don't regularly bet and that's why I don't have a specific betting limit but the highest I've reached was during the time I was addicted gambling which was long time ago and it wasn't above $150 as of then.
It's okay if we share stories related to the monthly salary we get because this thread is just like place to share experiences, it not meant to brag, but if you really can't tell it, you can just say half of your income.
but I respect what you say because everyone has different thoughts so I understand if you dont want to say it.

regarding your total maximum limit of $150 but for me that is quite large amount if you are betting and would not recommend it to anyone.
and I'm sure that even though in the past you had  serious problem with gambling, I'm sure it was an experience that made you healthy gambler.
969  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction does more harm than mere financial loss on: February 02, 2024, 06:41:30 PM
from everything you mentioned, I have experienced it except violence.
even though I used to be a bad addict, I only experienced declining health and bad responsibilities, but I have never experienced violence against my family or other people. It's just that when I get emotional, I prefer to stay in the room and drink alcohol as an outlet emotions after regret.
every gambling addict may have their own characteristics and for gambling addicts who commit violence when they vent their emotions on their family or other people, I'm sure they have a violent nature, even without being a gambling addict, they will also occasionally commit violence when they are angry.

this is all about the bad effects of gambling because behind the fun of gambling there are many bad effects that affect a person's life and even destroy a person's future, so threads like this always remind us all of the dangers of gambling addiction and before becoming a gambling addict, we have to know what it is. things to pay attention to and what to avoid when betting so that we stay away from addiction.
970  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Proverbs and Sayings that Act as Triggers to Gambling on: February 02, 2024, 06:09:45 PM
it all depends on how we think about how to interpret words of wisdom or quotes like that and I think quotes like that are aimed at everyday life, not for gambling as I once said in another thread "big luck is only for those who are willing to take big risks "
this means that anyone will never be able to get lucky if they don't do anything, such as working hard or building a business to make a profit, because usually someone is afraid to take risks when they want to build a business.
and from the Chinese proverb that you said, I think that if someone doesn't make any effort in the business sector, they will definitely never know how successful they will be in the future.

well, this is all just about how we interpret these words of wisdom, but if someone can't think critically, they will just judge instantly and do what the saying says, but if someone has a critical mind, they will usually read and interpret the things they say. being logical in real life does not mean that gambling is risky for anyone.
maybe wise words like this usually influence beginner gamblers more because they still have big ambitions to get big wins and the existence of this saying is like giving support to beginner gamblers to continue betting.
971  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rigging in sports:My Personal Perspective and discussion finding sus. sports on: February 02, 2024, 05:17:03 PM
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Since you mentioned that you have been sports betting for long, I'm sure you do your fair share of research trying to win your bets. My post was inspired by another thread here, where some unsuspecting bettor had bet on some sport that doesn't even exist. Which got me thinking about all the dodgy leagues that exist solely for betting purposes and are sponsored by bookmakers which direct the players on what course of actions to take in such a way that the bookmaker makes the most profit out of it. In that process, some people will win their bets but most will lose. My OP is just a caution into the wind that rigging could happen even in mainstream sports. So, you gotta be extra cautious if possible and not make significant bets on events that could be potentially rigged.
IMO, doing research before each bet will not provide a guarantee of winning the match, it can only increase the chances of winning that we will get and the odds given by the bookmaker will not guarantee that we will always win, even if it is small odds look convincing, sometimes small odds lead us astray.
I remember there was a thread talking about a bettor betting on the NFL throwing away $1.4 million worth of bets to bet at odds less than @1.01 and perhaps that bettor foolishly believed in the low odds just to get a small win but didn't see how big it was the risk he is taking, and I agree with what you said that don't bet too big because we don't know what is planned behind the scenes.
In the case of bettors who lose big, I don't think it's rigged, but for me there are indications that it could be rigged when the opposing team makes a surprising comeback.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5435885.msg61615047#msg61615047]

maybe the story I am telling can be an example and we still have to be careful, don't trust too much in low odds or big odds, but still do strict research to avoid surprises like that.
972  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: World female football. on: February 02, 2024, 04:49:26 PM
women's football here does not have much interest and the average bettor here chooses to bet on men's football.
I don't know why most people prefer to bet on football played by men, but in my opinion it's all because not only as a bettor but also as a supporter of a popular team in a league, men's football is more popular here.
but actually as a pure bettor they will bet on any match.
If you really want to create a thread to discuss women's football, you can do it, even though there has been a previous thread, but I see the thread is very quiet and there is no interest from bettors in discussing the match.
973  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: February 02, 2024, 04:22:54 PM
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Your understanding shows that gambling is a stepping stone to a better profession. Influencers in gambling are pioneers of a new frontier where tales and experiences matter more than bets. This move from gambling to entertainment and community building shows how internet involvement is changing. What a wonderful time to be alive and gambling.
well, that's what I mean if gambling is just like a side income but not from betting but through other means such as becoming an influencer or becoming streamer to be able to get other income besides your main job.
as long we have skills related to gambling, we can use gambling as stepping stone to career and make money as you said.
In the development of advanced technology like this, we really have to be smarter in taking advantage of opportunities to make money, while the development of online gambling has spread throughout every country, so it would be better if we tried to find other income from gambling, but not from betting.
974  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think women will make better gamblers by their nature? on: February 01, 2024, 07:56:47 PM
Personally I don't support women venturing into grabbing actively, gambling has a way of disarming you of  all your principles slowly until  you're stuck. A lot of with gamble too, just that there are more make gamblers. I've seen female gambling addicts and trust me, its messier than male.

Home management skills are different from gambling skills, if intertwined, one will surely suffer and its most likely the home will suffer and the children less attended. Its a disaster when we have a female gambling addict who's married with children, it  affects the marriage too, so women active involvement in gambling should be discouraged.
Seeing a female gambler that takes gambling so serious as an addiction now is very rare and I have not seen any, how will they look like cause I know no female can pass through those stress of gambling and loss. When talking about gamble addict, people like this can control their emotions at any time so they're always prepared and ready, even if they didn't win there's another alternative to handle the issue but for ladies, that's very difficult to handle especially the ones that cannot control their emotions
The idea you shared calling it a disaster,  I disagree with this, although I'm not in support of female gamblers gambling carelessly but this is actually not right, there's always time for everything and no lady can leave her child just to gamble, when gambling we don't spend much time especially when the lady is married

In the current era of advanced technological development, men and women can freely gamble anytime, anywhere without exception, but still everyone can change for the worse when addicted because there is no difference between male gamblers and female gamblers because both can become addicted.
but it is very rare for female gamblers to be addicted because they think they value money more and usually female gamblers also get bored more quickly and usually use their money for something more useful and it is not surprising that you and some other people rarely see female gamblers who are addicted and become very bad even I have only once seen a female gambler who was almost depressed, but that incident was in 2016.

maybe everyone will think and ask why there are so few female gambling addicts because women have more thoughts about things that are more beneficial for themselves or their children. on the one hand, women will not bother thinking about making more money from gambling because they will rely on their husband's salary.
different from men who have big responsibilities and are always thinking about making more and more money.
we always see crazy men or depressed or stressed men more often than crazy women because men have big responsibilities compared to women.
975  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe visiting a seer or spiritual house could make you win a game? on: February 01, 2024, 06:46:54 PM
I am one of the majority of people who like to think realistically and logically. If a fortune teller can help someone win a bet, why doesn't a fortune teller bet large amounts himself to become rich and stop being someone who predicts other people's luck?
and gambling is a game of luck that has been designed by a complicated algorithm that is difficult to solve but ridiculously a fortune teller can determine other people's luck while the fortune teller is still working as a fortune teller instead of being rich.
on the one hand, sometimes even a gambling employee cannot win a large bet because as I said, everything has been designed by a complicated algorithm.

I never had the thought or intention of trying to go to a fortune teller to ask for help predicting where I should play to get a big win and for me it's just superstition and if someone comes to see a fortune teller and gets a big win it's just luck and I'm sure of it will not be able to be obtained in a row.

I don't have an experience like this but around me there are lots of people aged 50+ practicing superstitious things like this by sleeping in graves with the assumption of getting help from the devil through dreams and buying lottery tickets to get big jackpots but in fact they still have not become rich and even become sick because they often sleep outside the house in the open.
anyone should not do things like this because it is pure superstition and just a waste of time.
976  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not everyone deserves to hear of your winning in gambling. on: February 01, 2024, 06:19:13 PM
If you just share stories about your success in gambling by getting several big wins. But you don't share the victory. Yes... it's only natural that this can make other people feel jealous and dislike you. Moreover, if the person you invite to tell the story is someone who has just experienced consecutive gambling losses. So I think, if we are kind enough, then we shouldn't just share stories, but we should also share love. Even though the amount we give is not much, because at least it will be an entertainment for him, after experiencing several failures and disappointments because he was not able to get good results when gambling.

And do we have to think about what other people say about us.? yes... we need to think about it, as an evaluation material so that we can be better in the future. And when you receive sweet words, consider them as honey, and when you receive bitter words, consider them as medicine. So both of these things can be good things for you.
maybe what you mean is telling about success in winning but not telling about the amount.
there's no harm in telling anyone about winning from gambling, but you still have to look at your friend's condition, whether they are feeling well or are sad about losing from gambling because the impact is not only to make you jealous, but your friend might borrow money to bet and catch up. it's a loss and of course you will think that if you lend him money, you will only lose again and he won't be able to return your money, but if you don't give him a loan, your friend will definitely be angry.
well, that's when the bad impact of telling stories about winnings to the wrong people is like misleading yourself and actually the right friend to tell the story to is only your partner.
giving a little money to another friend and telling about the win is a very wise way, but it still has bad consequences in the end.
I prefer to hide everything about defeats and wins to avoid other risks as I said.

thinking about other people? yes, it is necessary but I won't do it because usually they will continue to approach us when we get a big win but they will avoid us when we have nothing left.
977  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: February 01, 2024, 04:23:52 PM
The problem of losing focus at work will become a problem for them if they continue to gamble. That would likely cause bigger problems because if they were caught gambling while working, their boss would not like it, which could get them fired. That is the biggest risk that the company will take, but if the company only gives a warning letter, he is still lucky because he is still allowed to work at the company but must be able to stop gambling while working. And yes, it can also have a negative impact on their emotions, where whatever results they get from gambling can make their emotions increase. But losing focus at work will be a problem they face.
gambling always has negative impacts if we are not wise in doing it and there are many negative impacts including losing our job.
as you said, even though gambling is fun, it will definitely require high concentration and tension which will cause high emotional tension and will definitely affect one's work, such as unfinished work or feelings of regret for losing and being lazy to complete work.
I just feel a little confused why there are still people who gamble at work when work is the main thing that is prioritized and gambling should be used in free time or if you really have good self control you can access gambling at work but only when you have time It's break time so you can use it to entertain yourself.

but it's still not recommended and don't be reckless in doing this because there are situations that sometimes make the situation very bad and you still have the idea of prioritizing work over gambling.
978  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling can be a hope restorer if we go about it wisely! on: February 01, 2024, 03:43:20 PM
It's very difficult to get a lot of money from airdrops 😅

Yes, I know how many and widespread online slot gambling is in Indonesia 🤣 I'm also not surprised if some people spend tens of millions just on slots alone. Maybe it's a silly activity to spend thousands of dollars on slots,

Yups, opportunities don't come twice, but my friend who is a slot addict said, "opportunities will probably come 3 or 4 or fifth, even several times as long as we keep trying" 🤣 until now my friend is still struggling to find another opportunity with continuous losses growing 🤦‍♂️

The last time I got money from the airdrop was 150$ and yes for people like us, it can be a hope to earn 150$ it is worth 1 month's salary here in Indonesia right?

Hahaha but those are real  Grin

Yes opportunities will probably come 3 or 4 or fifth but you just don't know when  Grin even you win at that point you might still a loss a lot.

That is why guys use gamble only for fun and if you win big that just bonus.
from some of the discussions you talked about I have concluded that actually the person who tries to spend $100k has the hope of doubling the money he has but he has the wrong way of using it to bet while he forgets about the big risk that luck will not come to him again.
TBH, I was a little curious about the story and looked for it but unfortunately I didn't find this incident, but in essence we hope that gambling is normal and there is no harm, but still don't use large amounts or only try with small amounts according to the limits.

just imagine if for example he had 100k and used 5% as a gambling budget and bet on sports bets which have less risk than slot games which really depend on luck.
for example he bets $1k on 5 matches and each match has odds @1.5 wouldn't that be very profitable than hoping on a slot game that is difficult to predict?

but however, it was a decision that ended badly and this could be an example for anyone not to have high hopes for gambling.
979  Other / Off-topic / Re: Having a regular/steady income is important as a gambler. on: February 01, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
Having a regular and steady income is very important for all kinds of people not just gambler. Like if anyone want to long term Bitcoin holding then he should also have study income otherwise he can't hold the strategy. And in case of gambling here the first rules is I think that gamble as much as he can afford to lose. So if anyone don't having a regular steady income then how he can afford the money for gambling so I also think it is a very important thing for a gambler also.
you provide a very subtle and easy understanding for anyone here to understand.
having a fixed income is mandatory because to bet we definitely need money whereas if a gambler doesn't have a fixed income how to generate a budget for gambling and of course he only relies on other people borrowing money from other friends and if a gambler is just unemployed and is still determined to gamble I'm sure they have the assumption that gambling is their job to make money.

and on the one hand, if a gambler has a job and has a steady income, when we make a loss, we won't have problem because we still have income that can cover the loss.
even though there are no rules like this in gambling, it is highly recommended for anyone that if they really want to be a gambler, it would be better to have job that can make money every month and if you don't have job, it would be better if you dont have to bet or avoid gambling to avoid something bad.
980  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Responsible Gambling Practices Most People Ignore and Sleep on on: February 01, 2024, 12:35:03 PM
1. Setting Limitations


3. Financial Management

first and third options are enough to represent being a responsible gambler implementing these two options, a gambler can start to become a healthy gambler and can get other references about what he should pay attention to in order to continue to be a gambler who is consistent with his own rules.
there are many more options that are often ignored by irresponsible gamblers, they ignore how gambling works which can give encouragement to their own minds not to put too much money into gambling.

I really appreciate this post and this can be advice for any gambler not to ignore small things like this but it is very important for the future of a gambler who must remain a healthy gambler and remain responsible for every bet made.
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