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9661  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoinity chart explanation? on: April 09, 2013, 11:10:40 PM
OP, looks like the red line was a glitch.

Refresh.
9662  Economy / Speculation / Why would you sell your new currency? on: April 09, 2013, 11:09:25 PM
Let us say that you moved from the US to Mexico and in the process converted all of your dollars to pesos.

Now, let us say that for some reason the peso started rising against the dollar quickly. All of the sudden your pesos are able to buy more than you were able to previously and the dollar is losing value.

Do you now convert all of your pesos to dollars? Or do you just keep your pesos and use them as currency?
9663  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wall Street Journal : VC money pouring into new comptitors to MtGox on: April 09, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
My buddy is getting 1500% return loaning money on Bitfinex for margin trading.
9664  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Memories of a Mania on: April 09, 2013, 11:02:28 PM
Let us say that you moved from the US to Mexico and in the process converted all of your dollars to Pesos.

Now, let us say that for some reason the Peso started rising against the dollar quickly. All of the sudden your Pesos are able to buy more than you were able to previously and the dollar is losing value.

Do you now convert all of your Pesos to dollars? Or do you just keep your Pesos and use them as currency?
9665  Economy / Speculation / Re: Need Help, Want to Buy More on: April 09, 2013, 10:41:09 PM
I have done well to just take the money you have and buy at whatever price it is at that moment.

I was asking the same questions as you when the price was around $47 (I was hoping it would dip into the $30s just one more time before buying). Fortunately someone said to just go ahead and buy.

The next day it shot up over $50 and is still going.

And do not look at it like you are investing in Bitcoin.

You are shifting into a new currency. Like you just moved to Mexico and will be using the Peso from now on.
9666  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isn't bitcoin getting greedy if you count the recent price rises? on: April 09, 2013, 06:37:32 AM
However this solution of hardcoding a number is not sustainable. There can't be a new software rollout every time the price in $ changes. In the long run, it need to be the miners that determine the fee and broadcast this somehow so that it can be determined dynamically.

Hard coded in one of the clients.
9667  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isn't bitcoin getting greedy if you count the recent price rises? on: April 09, 2013, 06:35:22 AM
With the fees? I mean with bitcoins getting rare lately paying a 0.0015 fee for sending 0.01 btc seems a bit extreme, even if there are 8 inputs, paying 30 cents for a 2 dollar transfer is a bit greedy and even though I understand that this is necessary to decrease the size of the chain wouldn't it be possible to introduce different concepts in order to make the chain smaller? Possibly "timestamping" a certain point in the chain and deleting all the spent transactions before that and then using it as a new start? This could be done automatically every month for example.

The minimum fee for the new client is .0001

That is less than 2 cents.
9668  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Isn't bitcoin getting greedy if you count the recent price rises? on: April 09, 2013, 06:27:26 AM
I see the word "greedy" thrown around almost everywhere lately, but now bitcoin is getting greedy?
9669  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: So the whole "no market adoption" arguement is now moot on: April 09, 2013, 06:09:54 AM
I've seen this.

Has anyone used their service yet and has a testimonial as to how it went for them?

I was just reading a review:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1a8idx/i_bought_groceries_with_bitcoin_a_bitspend_review/

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Buying groceries is, in my opinion, one of the primary indicators of a payment method's maturity. So naturally I was excited to see that Bitspend is making it possible for me to buy groceries with bitcoin. My regular grocery store offers online ordering and delivery service through My Web Grocer, though until now I have never used it since the physical store is just a couple blocks away.

Timeline of ordering process:
 •Mon. 11pm - Submit Bitspend order form, requesting Wednesday, 10am delivery time.
 •Tues. 10am - Receive email from Bitspend confirming order receipt
 •Tues. 12:40pm - Receive email from Bitspend indicating incomplete order information (I had given them URLs that lacked a store ID#, so I needed to specify which MWG store to order from)
 •Tues. 3:52pm - Send email to Bitspend with the necessary information to complete my order
 •Tues. 4:39pm - Receive invoice from Bitspend with wallet address and order cost, valid for 30 minutes. (I was away from my wallet so I could not pay at the time.)
 •Tues. 7:20pm - Send email to Bitspend requesting new order cost and wallet address.
 •Tues. 7:27pm - Receive new payment information
 •Tues. 7:36pm - Payment initiated
 •Tues. 7:45pm - Receive order receipt from MWG via email from Bitspend confirming placement of order
 •Wed. 10:10am - First attempted delivery (I didn't hear the door knock)
 •Wed. 11:35am - Wondering where the order is, I email Bitspend.
 •Wed. 11:38am - Receive complete MWG invoice indicating order details (but no confirmation of scheduled delivery time)
 •Wed. 11:43am - I call the grocery store directly and tell them that my order hasn't arrived yet. They immediately guess which address I'm calling from (I confirm) and tell me they will arrive in 5 minutes.
 •Wed. 11:50am - Groceries arrive at my front door, I sign a receipt, and I receive physical copies of MWG invoice and grocery store transaction itemization.
 
Total turnaround time: ~36 hours.

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Pros:
 •All communication from Bitspend was impressively prompt.
 •I got to order groceries with bitcoin (duh!)
 •Bitspend normally asks for full confirmation of payment before proceeding with order. They offered to proceed after just 1 confirmation for my order since the requested delivery time was imminent.
 
Cons:
 •Invoices received from Bitspend were often missing relevant information. I always had the information I needed to complete my part of the order process, but I would have liked to see more information so I know exactly what's going on. For example, when I received my initial order invoice and payment request, the order total (in $), MWG service charge (in $), Bitspend service charge (in $), and requested payment amount (in BTC) were all listed, but there was no subtotal (in $) listed, and no listed quote of MTGox weighted average (which was used to convert $ to BTC). Obviously I could figure this out with simple arithmetic, but it could easily be listed directly on the invoice to save me the hassle.
 •Requested payment amounts were quoted to 10-15 BTC, while transactions are limited to 10-8 BTC, or 1 satoshi. I rounded to the nearest satoshi (which in my case was rounding up), and I asked Bitspend what was the appropriate way to truncate the amount, but I'm still not clear on what is expected. Requested payment amounts should simply be presented to the user with no more than 8 decimal places to avoid ambiguity.
 •I included some produce in my order, such as 2 lbs of ground beef, which of course ended up delivered as something like 2.02 lbs. The amount I was charged by Bitspend reflects the amount indicated on my order form (in round numbers), while the amount Bitspend paid to MWG appears to reflect the amount that was actually delivered. Overall the price I paid to Bitspend was $1.15 too high for the amount of produce I received. I imagine this could swing in the user's favor at some point if the initial price were an underestimate (instead of the overestimate I paid). It would be nice if the price I pay accurately reflects the delivered products' price, but I'm not really sweating the difference. (This seems to be an issue with MWG itself, rather than Bitspend. See edit 1 below.)
 •Including MWG fees ($4.95), Bitspend fees ($2.50), and overestimated initial price ($1.15), I could have saved $8.60 if I went to the store in person. Actually, I was charged no taxes in this transaction, and I may have been charged 5.5% sales tax on some of these items if I purchased them in person, so maybe the fees are not that bad.
 •Just about every time I sent an email to Bitspend, I received a spammy auto-reply message telling me that my order is in queue to be processed, and I continue to get such messages when emailing Bitspend after my order has been completed. This feels really unprofessional. (See edit 1 below for Bitspend's response)
 •Having to request a new destination address and MTGox quote if I don't pay within 30 minutes of receipt of the invoice is somewhat irritating. Bitspend told me that this process will be automated soon though, and the 30 minute time limit will no longer apply.
 •Bitspend's website indicates a 10-item limit for orders of $50-100. My order was in this price range, and included 15 items, and I was charged $2.50 for my order, so I'm not sure if the item limit was waived, or does not apply to an itemized grocery list. I'm not sure if this belongs as a "con" or a "pro" or as a "I'm confused by their website still". Some clarification would be nice.
 
Overall impressions

I was generally very happy to be able to spend my coins on groceries, and most of the difficulties were tolerable and understandable for a 4-person startup in its second week of operation. Hopefully those difficulties will be ironed out soon though if Bitspend is going to maintain a professional image. I will likely do most of my grocery shopping this way in the future, as long as I can tolerate the turnaround time from order submission to receipt of goods. Most of the delays I experienced can be eliminated now that I know how things work.

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edit 1: I received a response regarding the price estimation issue and email spam:

 
I can absolutely guarantee one thing--If we were charged LESS than whats on the invoice, we will send you a refund of the difference within seconds. If we were charged less, we did not know it. I am sure you can understand that we paid the invoice of <redacted>--and we were nto told the price "might change"! We will look through our charges this evening and if we DO see that we were charged less we will notifyyou for an address to send the BTC back to.

As far as your email, we had NO IDEA you were getting those emails, they should NOT be going out--that was a test that was cancelled and it seems only a few people for some reason or another have the reply-email issue, our apologies--we;re looking into fixing it now.

Thanks, Justin
 
edit 2: Justin sent me another email offering to refund the $1.15 misestimation in price, even though he's not sure yet if it's Bitspend or MWG or the grocer who kept the profit. He is also refunding my $2.50 Bitspend fee. This kind of customer service is why I decided to use Bitspend in the first place!
9670  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: So the whole "no market adoption" arguement is now moot on: April 09, 2013, 06:03:38 AM
https://bitspend.net/

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Order From Anywhere

With Bitspend, your options for purchasing with Bitcoins become unlimited. No longer shop based on who accepts Bitcoins, now shop where you want to

I've not used their service but it appears you send them coin and they purchase on your behalf, which should be interesting to see how retailers respond to this (can you say TOS hell).

I doubt the retailers will turn down extra business Smiley

The problem is it ends up being more expensive for the consumer because they're paying more markup to cover the overhead of the intermediary. That's why pizzaforcoins doesn't work; you end up paying ~$40 for a pizza that should cost you $25.

Actually the cost is only $2 for up to $50. I am charged more than that for paying my electric bill online.

At the rate Bitcoin is rising, the 4% charge would have been eaten up in a few hours of holding bitcoins instead of dollars. (if you had bought $50 worth of bitcoins at $184 6 hours ago and then bought something through bitspend at the current price $192, the fee would be moot). But it is more likely that you would have your dollars in bitcoins much longer than a couple of hours.

9671  Economy / Speculation / Re: Parity watch -> Uganda on: April 09, 2013, 05:49:59 AM
And the largest Bitcoin wallet has surpassed the M1 of Anguilla.

Not a bad thing to hold on a USB.
9672  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Future Bitcoin millionaires - will you cash out when you hit $1M? on: April 09, 2013, 05:41:52 AM
You may as well ask if people who use dollars plan on cashing out to Yens or Rubles once they reach 1M.
9673  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: So the whole "no market adoption" arguement is now moot on: April 09, 2013, 05:35:32 AM
https://bitspend.net/

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Order From Anywhere

With Bitspend, your options for purchasing with Bitcoins become unlimited. No longer shop based on who accepts Bitcoins, now shop where you want to

I've not used their service but it appears you send them coin and they purchase on your behalf, which should be interesting to see how retailers respond to this (can you say TOS hell).

Thank you, I have been looking for this site since the first time I saw it.
9674  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is there a way to encrypt a message with one key and decrypt it with another key on: April 09, 2013, 05:07:58 AM
pgp

Got it, thanks.
9675  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am going to sell my bitcoin. on: April 09, 2013, 04:57:11 AM
I will sell 1 bitcoin.

I will buy dollars with a single bitcoin when I am able to pay off my $160,000 mortgage with the proceeds from that sale.

That will be the last time I buy dollars with my Bitcoin currency.

All of the rest will be spent or held.

So you're going to sell a currency that went up 2000% in 8 months, to pay a mortgage that charges you 5-6% at the most???
I don't see it, sorry...
maybe you might want to reduce your bitcoin investment and sell half... but I wouldn't sell all!


No, I am reserving 1 bitcoin for my mortgage.


Actually, I believe that calls for a vanity address Smiley

So, you're thinking that one bitcoin can be worth 160,000? mmmm
by the time that happens, your mortgage might be paid in full already... Smiley

The dollar's future:



Thanks partially to this:
9676  Economy / Speculation / Re: So when is it going to blow? on: April 09, 2013, 04:49:39 AM
Bitcoin's rocket engines are blowing out huge balls of fire.
9677  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Is there a way to encrypt a message with one key and decrypt it with another key on: April 09, 2013, 04:45:01 AM
Is it possible to have two paired keys such that I encrypt a message with one key, then later decrypt that same message with a different key?

I basically am looking to encrypt a message on a server, the server then releases the encrypted message.

Then later, the key to decrypt the message will be released.

But I am just trying to play it safe as far as storing or transferring the key used to encrypt the message in the first place. I would rather just immediately discard it once the message is created and hold the second key in cold storage until it is time to release it.

Any thoughts?
9678  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The smartest article on why Bitcoin won't become the next currency on: April 09, 2013, 04:37:36 AM
The increase in value is EXACTLY why I do not ever buy a computer knowing I could buy a faster computer at a lower price a month down the road.


I am still kicking myself for paying $3,000 for a 66MHz computer back in 1995.

If only I had kept that investment I would have a much faster machine today.

Everyone else believes the same thing since nobody ever buys computers.
9679  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am going to sell my bitcoin. on: April 09, 2013, 03:21:06 AM
I will sell 1 bitcoin.

I will buy dollars with a single bitcoin when I am able to pay off my $160,000 mortgage with the proceeds from that sale.

That will be the last time I buy dollars with my Bitcoin currency.

All of the rest will be spent or held.

So you're going to sell a currency that went up 2000% in 8 months, to pay a mortgage that charges you 5-6% at the most???
I don't see it, sorry...
maybe you might want to reduce your bitcoin investment and sell half... but I wouldn't sell all!


No, I am reserving 1 bitcoin for my mortgage.


Actually, I believe that calls for a vanity address Smiley
9680  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Who is peppering Mt. Gox with teeny tiny orders? on: April 09, 2013, 01:45:53 AM
Bots.
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