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9701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paypal VS Bitcoin on: December 09, 2017, 05:01:28 PM
Why we are comparing Bitcoin to PayPal? Bitcoin can be defined as either a currency, or as an investment asset. But on the other hand, PayPal is a payment processor which makes use of fiat currencies such as the United States Dollar and the United Kingdom Pound. We can compare BitPay with PayPal, but we can't compare Bitcoin with PayPal.  

Exactly, they aren't even comparable. And bitcoin today can't even be used as micro payment transactions because of the current high fees which a lot of users are complaining. I think they are trying to compare them in terms on their ability to send and received money. But it is still up for debate, because the original design of bitcoin is P2P however, it has evolved now as being a form of investment. What I like about bitcoin though is that we don't have something in between and you are your own bank, unlike in Paypal, in order to have one, at least you need to present like a credit card or bank account for verification and approval purposes.
9702  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Wow. Totally amazing. on: December 09, 2017, 04:50:32 PM
We all pride ourselves on bitcoin this and bitcoin that.
I just set a very low fee for transactions on my electrum wallet. It's so low that is been hours and not even one confirmation yet. I assume that it will take days.
With this low fee, I had a look and it cost me .00041 btc for transaction. 8 dollars. Hahaha.  Wow. Explain to me people,  how is it better to use crypto currencies? Transaction taking days with a cost of  8.90 Australian dollars.
That's just pathetic.
Going back to Western union and bank transfers.

Looks like you intentionally set the fees so low. So what do you expect? I can't remember how much I set with my recent transaction but it took me around 48 hours if I'm not mistaken. I'm frustrated of course, but when I checked mempool its clogged with more than 200,000 unconfirmed transaction that time. But I'm happy that I get it in 2 days, unlike Western Union or Paypal which would allow you to get in 3-5 business days. Well, Lighting Network (LN) is being tested right now so it ever this will be implemented, this whole issue will be minimized.
9703  Economy / Marketplace / Re: 1 Year in Cryptocurrency still no luck earning bitcoin. Need some real advice. on: December 09, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
Luck is an option or choice only here in bitcointalk forum because we can have knowledge here if we read some topic here to earn.I think one year here is enough to study crypto and that's long if you ask me,i learn bitcoin this february only but i already earn when i'm newbie in some faucets here and i also do trading in mercatox to earn

I'm also thinking that same. Just like in gambling, you need to have luck in your side in order to at least earn a decent. This is the only reason I can think of not gaining bitcoin in the span of 1 year. Heck even if you start claiming faucets, you will at least have some satoshi's in a year. There maybe something that the OP is not telling if he's not profiting at least in his end. Or if you are not putting enough effort of course you will not get that reward. But it's really hard to imagine being in the crypto world and no luck of earning bitcoin. He's case is really odd.
9704  Economy / Marketplace / Re: question on money making guides on: December 09, 2017, 03:59:18 PM
I agree with this i also need a guidelines to having money of this forum hope there are good heart here to teach me more to understand this forum thanks
better to keep reading and find your interest mate, since you are looking for some guidelines let me tell you that this forum got a lots of opportunities, if you do have a lots of social networks friend you can sell your service from those new alt coin project from that you will be able to received decent amount of coin which you can sell after and exchange that to btc, just keep looking around and for sure you will be able to find what suited for you, good luck.
Yes, that’s true, before one can start earning, you have to study a lot of things and know which you can be perfect in. You don’t just jump into anything and think you will start earning money from it immediately, lie. Even before I started earning from bitcoin, I had to study a lot of things, which I did daily and it really paid.

At first I never did, I just got in and tried my best to earn money from it, but I never did. So I left to try other means, which didn’t work out, so I got back and focused on Bitcoin. Luckily, I did it.

Of course reading and studying what ventures you what to enter is the first thing you need to do. But for me, its better to really "put your hands" on it and not to spend much of your time reading, let say in trading. Its better you experienced it as early are you can so that you will have gain much experience early as compare to those "bookworm" and learn all everything in theory, but in actual, they all failed because its 2 different world. That's how I did, although I may have incurred losses in the beginning, it teaches me valuable lesson - Experience,  that no amount of book reading will do.
9705  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If a friend ows you 0.1 Btc from Dec 2016 ... on: December 09, 2017, 03:34:18 PM
... what would you do now?  Huh

He ows you, then you have the right and get it back. But with the current price, do you think he will pay you back? And does he still have the ability to pay you? It's been year already and what makes you think that he will pay you back now? Did you lend him in fiat equivalent or just pure bitcoin. There's a lot of parameters that we need to factors here. But to be honest, with the current price, I doubt that your friend will pay right now. And you shouldn't allow him not to pay you maybe in a month or two. You have waited too long. But if he is a "true friend", then probably he/she will pay you back. But based on my experienced, people tend to forget their loans, much more if it's only a verbal agreement.
9706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lightning Network was tested on mainnet today! on: December 09, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
https://medium.com/@lightning_network/lightning-protocol-1-0-compatibility-achieved-f9d22b7b19c4



HUGE news. Version 1.0 tested using real Bitcoin. Maybe LN really will come out in 2018.

BULLISH!


Bitcoin taking over the world confirmed! ;p

$100k 2018 if this is in use by end of the summer.

Is this true? I'm been waiting for this to happen as I believed its a best solution to the current problems that we are seeing. I think its not being run on the network but only on mainnet. But if ever this will run on the bitcoin network itself, it will help unclogged the mempool to an extend. Although I'm seeing that the network clogged is down from more than 200,000 unconfirmed to 100,000 so its already cut in half. Let's see how it goes though, but I haven't seen any impact on the price yet, at it continues to go down as of the moment. This has been proposed on 2015, I think its about time to really give it a chance and see if it gonna solves the current issues (which I think will do). Maybe they are just ironing out few things before the actual implementation.
9707  Economy / Speculation / Re: When BTC will go down on: December 09, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
Hi community, now btc is more then 15500 wha do you think - when is better to sell it? when  price will go down?
Although price is pretty much high but still not a perfect time to sell because most probably it will keep on growing next year and soon it will  achieve the $20K benchmark.
Bitcoin price oscillation is too much high we have seen major price difference in a single day but still according to my observation there are rare chances that the price will go below $14K now, it will keep on increasing until or unless a disaster happen.

We have seen corrections already, but the price is still too steep in my opinion. I heard that bitcoin reaches its peaked at $18,000 yesterday but its a psychological barrier for most traders that's why they have cash out some and the price is "down" to $15,000. But its not comfortable seeing a correction at a price of $15,000. LOL. The real target before the end of the is $20,000, but I'm not sure if we are going to hit it though. But to answer the OP, yes, the best choice is to hold on our coins, because for one we still haven't seen the bitcoin future offering. I see that the current price is driven by all of this. And CME and CBOE haven't officially started it yet, so for me their still someone out there who are willing to buy and doesn't want to miss the opportunity (FOMO). Let's see how it pans out, just days before CBOE starts its offering on Dec 10 if I'm not mistaken.
9708  Economy / Speculation / Re: I felt bad buying this morning at $14,000... on: December 09, 2017, 02:39:09 PM
But now that it has shot up to nearly $17,000 in just a few hours, it doesn't seem like too bad an investment!

Its crazy thinking that just last week i didn't want to buy at $10, or even $11k!

My only fear is that the bubble will pop with it increasing so quickly



And now the price is just hovering above $15,000 and I think you should not fell bad at getting it at $14,000. Yes, its definitely not a bad investment but it still has risk, we can't never predict where the price is really going. But don't worry personally, I think this madness will not stop until we see bitcoin hits $20,000, and because of all this financial institutions offering. And as far as the bubble being pop, historical data says that it can quickly recovered and even go further and establish new all-time-high. So you are still on the positive as far as profit, let's see how it goes on Sunday/Monday when CBOE officially offering bitcoin contracts, it may go either way, but I have a feeling that this bull run will still continue at the end of the year.
9709  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 NBA Season on: December 09, 2017, 01:49:09 PM
I'm interested to go with the Celtics tonight vs San Antonio.
Spurs won by 3 points only. I didn't catch up this game and someone's trying to have a deal and bet with me on this game for $20 here in my place but I have something to do and a travel to go with. And too bad you lose for this bet.

Spurs won by 3 because of Vetaran Manu Ginobili.
For your information guys! Manu Ginobili is already 40 years old! Say what! And I never expect that Manu can still made a clutch!

And also because of that Boston Celtics has now 5th losses. But still in the number one spot in Eastern Conference. 

Still really fun to watch Manu pulling such clutch baskets. Yes, 40 and still have it!!!. I still remember his block on Harden last playoff. LOL. Lamarcus Aldridge though has a monstrous game with 27 points and 10 rebounds. I hope that Leonard will come back soon. Its a balance attack though and Manu just put the final nail in the coffin with the 3. There are rumors as well that Leonard will be playing on the next game. Remains to be seen.  Looks like Celtics is on a skid right now, although they are still on top of the East Conference. But a lot of teams are crawling and trying to challenge them for the top spot.
9710  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Amazon accepting Bitcoin - What can go wrong? on: December 09, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
there is nothing wrong just the amazon are trying to do what will be good at the market like steem because btc claiming to big fee's in some users of it, that's the problem of the btc's when it is put on some good markets like amazon.

Steam (if you're referring to that service) has indeed stopped accepting Bitcoin unfortunately, but it's quite understandable if we look at it from an unbiased point of view. People won't pay $10-$15 just in fees when they with that money can top up their account and buy stuff. I hope that Steam will rethink their decision once lightning network becomes publicly available. It should take away the current inconvenience and give people what they want, and that's something actually being worth spending. In easy terms, as long as there is no lightning network, people shouldn't expect Amazon to come on board.

Yeah. seeing Steam stopped accepting bitcoin is quite sad, but we can't blame them because of the ever increasing transaction fee that we are experiencing. I guess this is the same reason why Amazon is still contemplating of accepting bitcoin and quite frankly as much as we want them to accept it, we could blame them at all for not doing it. From a business point of view, there's little money to make with, maybe they need to upgrade their infrastructure as well and the returns is that that good. I also agree with the Lighting Network alternatives, but its gonna be a uphill battle if they are going to implement it as sidechains to bitcoin.
9711  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the anti government on: December 09, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Here to be anti government is a usual thing because here we are not playing games , not making jokes , not making any illegal work , not scamming anyone , not doing wrong with another with but we are making earnings by using our mind at international level .
We are not begging Money but we are giving money in this field and with opportunity and better time of inevstment we are making money .
As usual everyone knows that how the population of the world is increasing and how the unemployment is also increasing with the population , so it is very tough thing for us to make living , here we are able to make living with the help of bitcoin then why government are against bitcoin , rather they should support bitcoin for such big thing that is giving job ( a type of business ) for all .

Hey, you raised a valid point here. Bitcoin has really alleviate most people's lives, specially in third world countries. Imagine those people get x4 or even x5 of the basic salary in their country. It's a huge boost to them, their life has somewhat turns upside down before of their involving and earning with bitcoin. But why government's are anti-bitcoin. I speculate that with all the negative news about bitcoin, used by criminals -  this is what made them go against it. We all know that the government mandates is to protect their citizens, so if they consider bitcoin as being used for illegal activities, they will ban it whether it has also a positive things that can bring to their people.
9712  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: your mentality after a huge loss? on: December 09, 2017, 12:30:01 PM
What do you do after you suffer a huge loss?
If you have more money would you again take the risk and invest or would you just stop trading and try to earn in some other way?

If depends how you suffered your loss. Did you lost before you are too greedy and didn't want to get out in time and you become too emotional? Or you just see that your investment just went down because of a crash. If I will suffer because of my clouded decision not to bail out and think that the price could still go up, then I will take this mistakes as a learning experience and could have plan a better exit strategy. Re-think but don't be discourage and just have a walk and comeback strong. But if a lost just because the price plummeted and seeing my wallet balance goes down, I will just continue to hold and do nothing and hope that the price will recover (which usually does btw). No need to be frustrated as well.
9713  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-12-08] Russian Regulators Draft Law to Restrict Crypto Mining, Payments on: December 09, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
LOL at you guys falling for this. The article has nothing special or new to offer to us. This is totally rubbish. Every news agency are not riding on the coat tail of bitcoin because of its popularity. Russia will not even regulation bitcoin or crypto currencies in general. They even have their own crypto backed currencies to satisfy a few. But bitcoin? I don't think so. Don't believed everything coming from them, because they always contradicts themselves. Take everything with a grain of salt. I bet that in the next coming days another news will coming out saying that they are totally banning bitcoin. LOL. Don't be too excited about this unless we see at least 1 mining farm being put out there. For now, I really take everything coming from Russia with a bag of salt.  Grin
9714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin prices on: December 09, 2017, 12:03:07 PM
With the unstable increase and decrease in bitcoin is it a good idea buying, selling or holding now? Like yesterday I saw it hit $19,000 on coinbase but today it stands at $16,000

If you bought bitcoin at cheaper price, and if you have any reason to dump it with the current price, then you don't have to ask questions. Make up your mind and sell it. Bitcoin now is not for short term investment, not for now. You should be it in for the long haul. What you saw yesterday might be people just want to cash it out and gain profits. But as I have said its better for long term investment. Just hold on it. The price might shot up once we inch closer to the CBOE on December 10. The sentiments of people are very positive and remains bullish. The price is above $15,000 which still high to buy. So take out the buying, its steep to me at least. So my only advise is just hold and observed how the price will moved on Dec 10-18.
9715  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Time management. on: December 09, 2017, 11:53:22 AM
If we know how to prioritize things, then we can manage our time properly. For me, i usually do my work and take care of my kids first. My career and family are my priorities. Then when im free, i would log in on bitcoin. Because bitcoin is also important for me, i always look for a time where i can post on campaigns, and surf the internet to gain more knowledge about it. If we love what we are doing and we think its very important to us, we definitely find time for it no matter what.

That's good if you know how to prioritizes because this is the key to time management. Good thing that the company I used to work for before has put me to a good time management training. Imagine, there's actually a training to help you out make manage your time. And up to now, things that I have learn on that training is instill in my memory. Few tips though, before starting your day, just write down what you want to accomplish that day and try to prioritize things so that you won't waste much of your time. We all know that in our lives, "Time is Gold". Is that not difficult really, as long as you know when and what things are needed to be prioritize before others, I'm sure that you will have a lot of spare time for your families and love ones.
9716  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Serious Kraken Issues - Lately also withdrawals affected on: December 09, 2017, 08:27:04 AM
Does anyone else use Kraken and have serious issues when Trading?

What is much worse that for 60 hours I can't even do any Withdrawals!

Does anyone else share these Frustrations and maybe can advice for a way around?

Thanks!

With the current surge of users today, not only Kraken but a lot of trading platforms is now facing a lot of problems. From being slow and not updated to withdrawal problems, high fees. This is the result of all the madness that is going on with the bitcoin ecosystem. Mempools are full and clogged, high tx fees needed just to see your bitcoin in your wallet. Everything is a domino effect now with the rising price of bitcoin. I don't know though why trading platforms hasn't anticipated all of this. This should at least upgrade their infrastructure to support the growing user based. Yes, I understand your frustrations, I have withdrawals stuck at well in the last 24 or so and I'm losing money by the minute specially the price of bitcoin is going down as I type this message.
9717  Economy / Speculation / Re: Just in! $16000 in PH on: December 09, 2017, 07:25:00 AM
The title says it all. We are now at $16156.02 here in the Philippines and I think we're the one who hit it first more than any other country(correct me if i'm wrong). As of now our price is ahead of more than $500 in bitcoinaverage in bitstamp.

$20k is still possible this year.

I'm pretty sure you dump some of your stash seeing the price jumping to $16,000 good call because after that the price begins to slide to ~15,500 as out today. I don't know though why coins.ph (I'm assuming this is your trading exchange) is premium. One factor why trading platform price is different because of the volume, so maybe a lot of Filipinos are really busy trading of something. But as far as $20,000, I not really sure to be honest, I say this because of the current dump from $18,000->$15,000. The mental barrier at $18,000 is too much that most of the traders suddenly jump and dump it. So its gonna be hard to reach $20,000 in my opinion. It we test $18,000 in the next couple of days again sustain it then we can assume that $20,000 will be touch, but if we see another dump, then let's say that we can safely get there in 2018.
9718  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: BTC price prediction till Dec'17 on: December 09, 2017, 07:10:01 AM
For me, its looks like that the financial institution driven price is already price in. I think we are safe at $15,000 for now. There's no more people who are willing to pour in their cash at the current price of bitcoin. Only those who are really betting that bitcoin could go up when those financial institutions open its door on bitcoin future contracts. And I don't know if we are going to see touch $18,000 again this year. I'm very bullish about bitcoin but I observed that many investors have dumped bitcoin already and those who are buying at the top price don't have a sound decision. They decision making is somewhat clouded with all the frenzy going around on bitcoin. From $18,000->$15,000 dump is a serious dump for me. Although the air within the community is positive, but I predict that $16,000 is the max price that we can reach in Dec 17, IMHO.
9719  Economy / Economics / Re: TIME FRAME TO REACH $25,000 on: December 09, 2017, 07:03:32 AM
many cryptocurrency observers believe the rise in bitcoin price is built on solid fundamentals and are optimistic about bitcoin’s future
I think the rise in bitcoin prices reflects the enthusiasm that the public has into bitcoin being a digital currency and new solutions for instant payments future
bitcoin prices reach $ 25K I think it does not take long, bitcoin price on this day is already more $ 15K

Instant solution payments in the future? I doubt that. Bitcoin is no longer what is designed to be, for micro payment transactions. Now it is being used for storing your wealth, and investments. And with the continuing price increase coupled with slow confirmation time. I really doubt that we can see it as mode of payment in the future. As for the timeframe to reach the much awaited $25,000, It could be next year. Bitcoin price is too far stretch already that I don't know if there's still someone to bought at above $10,00 now. It's really that expensive that a casual or ordinary person now can't even afford to get it.
9720  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Today The Price Of Bitcoin Exceeds 100,000rmb In China on: December 09, 2017, 01:45:18 AM
Today as usual, the price of bitcoin is rising again and I was no longer shocked by it .

But today is a memorable day for the Chinese which the price of BTC is more than 100,000 RMB(yuan) per bitcoin .If a Chinese man's income is around 100,000 yuan one year ,then you can say: Oh, it's not too bad .

While the Chinese government does not support the trade and development of bitcoin and other blockchain currencies, the topic has never been severed in China.

As a girl web developer ,I hope to witness the super, final miracle of bitcoin ~See the power of Opensource and economics !

This is the best era .

I wouldn't be surprised in bitcoin is still thriving in China eventhough the government ban it because its really profitable on their end. Not only China but I'm sure that countries that ban bitcoin as well has a flourishing bitcoin community underground. That's how big influence bitcoin is to the ordinary citizens, changing how they live, lifestyle, kids getting good education. So how can you totally stop those people from getting into bitcoin? So as you guys pointed out, bitcoin cannot be stop, not even superpower China, who we all know if very tough and strict with regards to implementation of their laws. As for bitcoin leading the way for the new power and revolution? Of course it has already began and are happy that we are apart of it. Goodluck though to Chinese community wo do trading up until today. Proved to your government that they are very wrong turning their backs on bitcoin and cryptos.
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