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9741  Economy / Speculation / Re: anyone having problems placing orders through mtgox website? on: June 16, 2012, 07:48:40 AM
Man, how much would it suck to lose a bunch of BTC at the start of a run-up?

I guess when this hicup (or is it?) get cleared up there will be some abrupt shifts in the depths.  More on which side, I don't know.  My guess: drop on the sell side.

9742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 16, 2012, 04:56:32 AM
Yeah those monthly limits have always turned me away from sat isp's,  plus the horrible ping times.  I live in the boonies, but there is a small telco in the area that upgraded to DSL a few years before I moved there, its suprisingly good service for how mom and pop it is.  Previously it was 28.8 in that area Wink.  I just looked it up, looks like they put that excede sat up in Oct 11, not sure when they started rolling out the service, its very new for sure, and besides the growing pains of customer service and installer shortages, it seems to be going good so far, but I still hate monthly limits and 300ms ping times..

I'd give my left testicle for DSL.  Reliable DSL, at least, since I know other rural folks who have pretty poor luck with it...slower than ISDN and non-functional a healthy percentage of the 365 days.  I personally am way way to far from a CO which will support DSL for probably another decade.  Even my land-line barely works for voice and all the planets need to be in alignment in order to get 28k POTS modem speeds for more than a few hours.  We get about 2 trees/week (or drunk's and/or kid's cars and/or trucks) taking out whatever lines are not buried and at least one landslide/year getting those which are.  It takes it's toll on infrastructure.

The tweaker infestation has become bad around here for whatever reason.  Bad economy mostly I suspect.  I'm going to augment my 357 tweaker repellent with a 12ga pretty soon I think.  Thankfully I installed an alarm system some months ago and it scared a few off at 4:00am a month after I did so.  The upload speed of the satellite indicates that I can probably feasibly have a remote surveillance system which works and it would be fun to play around with.

9743  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 16, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
Anyone ready for gold and silver to take rocket upward after Sunday?
No.  I cannot make it to the big city with a load of cash in that amount of time Sad  To tank up on the phyzzz of course Smiley

That's ok. Bitcoin is better Smiley

I've got as much BTC as I need and want.  I got pig-headed and pissed off and just kept buying down to the $2.00 level.  It was fairly easy for someone who started at the $16.00 since one would get a shocking amount of BTC at each purchase.  That's why my cost-basis is around $6.00 in spite of my unfortunate timing on getting started.

I was ready (and probably still am) ready to by another load of BTC if it gets below $2.00.  I think we'll probably never see that again (absent a system failure) but one never knows.  Certainly it seems much more likely than that PM's will crash.

9744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 15, 2012, 11:44:03 PM
Too bad you didn't invest that money you used to short GLD into going long on BTC Wink

Zing!

And wb tvbcof! Use that data wisely Smiley

I was already on a trajectory to exceed my quota and had my service upgraded to 15G.  And I had not even started to do any serious porn downloads!  These fucking Windows and Android machines and bloated mail/apps services and the like really suck it down.  Of course I am also updating the source to re-build my primary BSD machine which I've not been really able to do on 9600 baud modem for 5 years now, and that's taking a chunk.  But for sure I'll be doing my movie downloads and porn surfing from my office in town!

Silverbox:  I think the new birds have flown just earlier this year.  The service is actually very usable, even doing remote terminal mode work (to my shock and amazement.)  It does drop out for 5 minutes or so multiple times per day which is, I assume, due to certain operations which cannot be done hot and brought on by a mass migration and sales to the new sats.  Will they oversell and hence the service degrade?  I'm expecting it but would be happy to be pleasantly surprised.  It will be interesting to see how Hughes responds.  I expect favorably to the delight of my neighbors with that service.

Anyone ready for gold and silver to take rocket upward after Sunday?

No.  I cannot make it to the big city with a load of cash in that amount of time Sad  To tank up on the phyzzz of course Smiley

9745  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 15, 2012, 10:49:38 PM
Bitcoin:  +15%

Gold:  -4%

Happy days!  I'm finally in the black on Bitcoin (except for a brief period of run-up after the $2.nn days.)  Let's hope the trend continues and swells to a tsunami.  Bitcoin-wise that is...I'm happy with PM's doing as they do and do not especially need or wish to see any big earthquakes there.

BTW, I've been busy with various life-changes.  I've missed you boys over the last week or two.  I'm on 'excede' satellite these days and it's a pleasantly surprising experience compared to my other satellite experiences.  I can think of worse ways to waste my time than dicking around on the bitcointalk.org forum...especially in relatively exciting times like these when an important (to me) threshold has occurred in BTC price.

9746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin coexist with other cryptocurrencies? on: June 08, 2012, 12:43:36 AM
Yes and no in my opinion.

Yes, we can have other crypto-currencies, but they would have to be small niche.

No, we cannot have another widely used global crypto-currency that competes with bitcion. The network effect of bitcoin is so powerful that anything technically superior would simply be adopted into bitcoin.

The fact that bitcoin is open-source is precisely what makes me so bullish on it, because it gets better with age Smiley

Yes Bitcoin evolves, but since it is such an important thing insofar as a lot of people have a lot riding on it, progress is necessarily slow and careful.  The BIP 16/17 issues illustrate this.  There are also a lot of architectural decisions that are very deeply baked into the cake at this point.

This reality has both pros and cons.  More pros than cons in my opinion, but it does nobody any good to paint over and ignore what cons there are.

9747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2012, 08:39:50 PM

understood.  but my subs know i put that GDXJ long on early last week.  and there are a bunch of them here who would roast me if i lied.

necessarily, i have to keep my best stuff to me and my subs otherwise what do they pay for?  so my discussions here will oftentimes sound incomplete.

Here's an idea:

Take one safe-ish strategy, advertise it publically, and play it.  Then state the win metrics, and also the win metrics for the better plays that you and your subscribers have going.  Like you say, if you are bullshitting, your subscribers will call you on it.

Hell, get a proven string going and even I would be likely to sign up!

9748  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin coexist with other cryptocurrencies? on: June 07, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
A crypto fiat based on Bitcoin could succeed. In fact, it may at some point become necessary. Parallel crypto-currencies identical to Bitcoin? Not so sure.

To me, 'crypto fiat' is a bit of a nonsense term in the same vein as 'jumbo shrimp.'

Also, "Parallel crypto-currencies identical to Bitcoin" which are joined within a 'backbone network' had some hope of retaining true P2P (where the user's are P's) seems like an idea worth pursuing.  In this sense, they would be more a single Bitcoin though (as I visualize it.)

On the other hand, independent crypto-accounting solutions are more durable in that a failure of one does not impact the others.  A bigger win yet is that they can diverge significantly in the capabilities they offer and provide users with many choices to use the ones which work best for them.

9749  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin coexist with other cryptocurrencies? on: June 07, 2012, 06:02:25 PM

I've thought about them a fair bit.

I actually see a scenario where a multitude of likely functional alternate crypto-currencies (which I prefer to call 'crypto-accounting systems' these days) are the best hope for Bitcoin.

The reason for this is that it would create a scenario where attack of Bitcoin by governments would simple produce for them an even more intractable problem.  Their only choice would be to really clamp down on the free flow of information generally but that is something of a nuclear option which would have a wide reaching and negative fallout which is hard to predict.

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Separately, I also see having a single non-inflationary crypto-currency as not much more healthy for humanity than gold.  You know what they say about the 'golden rule': "those who have the gold, make the rules."...and it is human nature to make the rules in one's best interest.  Tragedy of the commons.

(In the interest of full disclosure, I personally hold what would seem to some people as a good bit of both gold and BTC.)

9750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2012, 05:24:17 PM
Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?
i didn't.  but i'm going to stop giving out my own positions b/c its useless around here.

i won't get any credit if they win and i'll get alot of hoots and haws if i lose.  no use.

Not true.  If you hedged effectively on your short, I personally have some admiration.  I'm not at all a trader so it's an impressive feat which I am incapable of.  OTOH, a big win would also be attenuated it seems to me.  I guess my style is mostly to go all in for the longer haul based on fundamentals.  Neither strategy is either right or wrong I think.  Just depends on the person and his/her situation.

I would suggest that an inarguable example of one of your trading success (that is, one which was stated explicitly ahead of time) in public might induce more people to be interested in your for-pay newsletter.  I have to say that it was a little questionable to publicly announce your short but keep the hedge in your box of tricks to pull out if needed.

9751  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2012, 05:09:55 PM
Au got down to $1580.  Where did you cover, CD?

9752  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: Is bitcoin a risky invesment ? on: June 07, 2012, 07:07:36 AM

Any of this is plausible and may be required in any legislation. But when it comes to Bitcoin, it's quite easy to find a legal solution to get rid of if or pervert it:
Just add a requirement that VAT & friends can be processed in real time:
http://bitcoinmedia.com/the-brave-new-world-of-mobile-payment/
This would IMHO take care of Bitcoin, without even targeting it. It would force the payment providers to implement an RTPay gateway.

Interesting read.  Thanks!

9753  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Fed will not ease. on: June 07, 2012, 05:54:35 AM
Credit markets are a great example of trying to have your caek and eat it too. They are also a great example of tiered markets. Where everyone does not have the same opportunity to participate in the same markets. A few people have access to all markets and most people have access to only a few markets. It is not just that the very wealthy have more, it is that they have greater access to markets. So there is a huge problem when the yield curve flattens, it makes those markets more similar and the relative advantage moves to the hands of fewer and fewer people. There doesn't have to be much of a spread but to preserve the advantage for the top tier money there has to be some difference.

I've never been totally comfortable with my grasp of money markets and yield curves and such, in part because I've never played around with them.  But I understand what you are saying here and it makes a lot of sense.  And sucks.  Someone made the point that what we moving fairly rapidly into is a 1% vs. a .01% world, and whoever it was was probably right.  Throw some trinkets (new cars, big screen TV's, etc) at the 99% and they'll stay mostly content.  It doesn't even take that in most of the world outside of the West.  But in a non-growth environment I don't think that there will be enough excess to even allow for trinkets.  Bulltet-proof boot?  Ya, probably.  Cost of doing business.

For a while it looked like China might be the growth engine to help preserve the system, but now those hopes are fading. So now we can look to Sub Saharan Africa, but it will take a while to get that engine running... Even so, that is the last gasp. Africa is all the room we have left to turn this ship around.

I never figured that the Chinese would be happy to slave away making tennis shoes for me forever even if it were the key to unlimited status quo.  Even if the fruits of their labor were more evenly spread about the globe it never struck me as a likely perpetual motion machine to keep the globe in blissful abundance.

As for Africa, I am guessing that the competitive gang-rape can (and will) render her quite repulsive within a timeframe measured in years.

As I have said before, I believe that at some level it all gets back to very basic thermodynamics in the end.  Measuring energy input and distributing it over a population.  And again, I suspect that the results of us humans running out of energy will be a startling mirror of bacteria running out of nutrients in a petri dish.  Environmental contamination, warfare, and death for all but those individuals who have some sort of an advantage or an extraordinary level of luck.  I suspect we'll see this type of misery before we figure out nuclear fusion.

9754  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Fed will not ease. on: June 07, 2012, 02:58:43 AM
To clarify. 'Post Growth' does not mean that there is no economic growth. 'Post Growth' means that growth is not mandatory, It means that economies can be free to expand or contract according to what makes sense, without breaking...

To me it means increasing pressure for re-distribution of wealth.  This pressure is quite moderated in a growing system by letting some of the excess trickle down.  Absent that things could become quite ugly.

Gold and 'the one true crypto-currency' both fail miserably in such an environment.  Both for the masses, and most likely for those who managed to win (or be born with) all the chips since they are in constant danger of ending up on meat-hooks in the town square and it will come to pass on occasion (absent and unfortunate de-population event.)

Giving the majority an option to freely select a currency solution which happens to be working for them strikes me as a pretty good solution in that the 1% either has to make it work for everyone, or everyone selects a different solution and the 1% join the 99%.  I'm all about the freedom to choose.


But we have redistribution of wealth now. It's called 'trickle up economics' and it's more of a torrent than a trickle. And it is exactly due to not having a choice of currency, as all currencies are part of the debt based money system. Through swaps all the big credit markets are connected... And all roads lead to Rome. Truly local community currencies have the ability to effectively decouple a local economy from the rest of that system to allow it to operate on its own terms.

But it does not follow that Post Growth leads to re-distribution of wealth. Although I think it makes income mobility more possible because it frees people from the rigid structures of a tiered, debt-based, mandatory growth economic system.

The mechanism leading to re-distribution (downward) would be the that the 'pressure' I talked about would build to the point that it is more difficult to retain and there would be explosive failures.  In a growing system everyone can 'have more.'  In a static or shrinking system this is not possible.  It may be that the 'haves' would be willing to 'have less' in the interest of self preservation, but history doesn't argue for this.  The haves are at least as prone to the old tragedy-of-the-(not-so)-commons as any other group.

I personally am totally down with the 'local community currency' idea.  Accounting has always been an issue with such things (as have laws) and this is one reason why crypto-accounting systems hold such a draw for me.

9755  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Fed will not ease. on: June 07, 2012, 02:08:38 AM
To clarify. 'Post Growth' does not mean that there is no economic growth. 'Post Growth' means that growth is not mandatory, It means that economies can be free to expand or contract according to what makes sense, without breaking...

To me it means increasing pressure for re-distribution of wealth.  This pressure is quite moderated in a growing system by letting some of the excess trickle down.  Absent that things could become quite ugly.

Gold and 'the one true crypto-currency' both fail miserably in such an environment.  Both for the masses, and most likely for those who managed to win (or be born with) all the chips since they are in constant danger of ending up on meat-hooks in the town square and it will come to pass on occasion (absent and unfortunate de-population event.)

Giving the majority an option to freely select a currency solution which happens to be working for them strikes me as a pretty good solution in that the 1% either has to make it work for everyone, or everyone selects a different solution and the 1% join the 99%.  I'm all about the freedom to choose.

9756  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: Is bitcoin a risky invesment ? on: June 06, 2012, 11:04:04 PM
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Does outlawing Bitcoin still sound easy?

What about surveillance with the help of ISPs? What about banning tunneling-techniques for private end-users?

Does that mean I can't log in to my customer's network via VPN just because i am a contractor?

I would conjecture that VPNs and similar solutions for secure communications might be authorized to be run only by licensed operators (and that part of the licencing requirements would include a functional back-door for what's known as lawful intercept.)

I also suspect that one may need to establish identity via bio-metrics or some other fool-proof method prior to being able to access the internet at all.  It'll be sold as big brother's helpfulness in overcoming the problems of identity theft and stopping those bad bad terrorists and the massive amounts of kiddie porn hiding out in the ether.  And I figure that it will be massively popular with the sheeple.

I'm not saying that such things are eminent or certain, but it does seem to me very possible that attempts in those directions will be made.  In conjunction with draconian penalties they probably could be fairly effective.  Certainly enough so to put a damper on so-called 'intellectual property theft' which is driving corp/gov crazy and something like Bitcoin in it's current implementation.

9757  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Daily Speculation Poll] :: Is bitcoin a risky invesment ? on: June 06, 2012, 09:46:18 PM
What about surveillance with the help of ISPs? What about banning tunneling-techniques for private end-users?

That hasn't worked so well with I2P & Tor - and those are just the two most popular darknets. Deep packet inspection isn't effective for detecting properly encrypted tunnels, and is incapable of operating outside of its own network reach. Encrypted traffic can be made to look like HTTPS and a direct connection can be avoided by adding proxies.

Effectively hiding would necessitate a lot of bandwidth overhead (my theory mostly) which means that whatever traffic one wishes to transfer better be a smallish fraction of what one uses.  Streaming porn might be a good carrier.

Secondly, it might take balls of steel to risk getting caught if the penalty is being hauled off to some work camp somewhere.

While these are theoretical issues at this point, and probably will remain so, they are not improbably enough to completely ignore.   IMHO.

9758  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Fed will not ease. on: June 06, 2012, 01:03:56 AM

Look for a lot of stories in the upcoming news about 'investment' in Africa. The Asian story is so last decade.

"...at any moment there might be a special bulletin from the Ministry of Peace. The news from the African front was disquieting in the extreme. ..."

 - Orwell

What most have considered a cautionary tale, others have recognized as prophecy.

Some aspects of our present condition when compared Orwell's material are so striking that I have to wonder if the story has been used as something of an inspiration to certain segments of our leadership.

Whatever the case, comparing the book against reality (and especially as reality evolves) is one of the more chilling and awe-inspiring things I can think of off-hand.

9759  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Fed will not ease. on: June 05, 2012, 11:26:47 PM

Look for a lot of stories in the upcoming news about 'investment' in Africa. The Asian story is so last decade.

"...at any moment there might be a special bulletin from the Ministry of Peace. The news from the African front was disquieting in the extreme. ..."

 - Orwell

9760  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 05, 2012, 10:20:04 PM
Bleh go buy new Truck with a badass lift kit if you are over the limit, a good truck is way better then cash in some savings account..  He who dies with the most toys WINS!!

I'm totally happy with my old 80's Toyota as my footprint in the 4x4 space.  It's easy to change lanes because people don't figure you have insurance.

I splurged and got an almost new Yaris which does not have the same advantage, but get's nice mileage.

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