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btw, what are the sites' traffic stats?
I'd like you to remain interested in increasing of your site.. 20 btc during a year is not much.
Or does the site have other sources of income?
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I bid 4 BTC (for 20% of pageviews) to put anonymousads' affiliate code there (if it is allowed:)) |
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The only thing that exists is your perception. I can be perceived and all things that can be perceived can be perceived but, again, this is limited to your perception.
I agree that my perception exists. However I don't know whether your does. I assume it is somewhere there, but this is just an assumption, whereas my perception is a fact for me. Sometimes I see the following scheme: 1. The world exists because it is perceived by me. 2. The question "is the world objective, or is it just a product of imagination" doesn't make much sense since those 2 options are indistinguishable. The true question is who I am. Either I am a particular human body (with particular brain molded in society), or am I some (non-material) observer. 2.1. If I think that I am a particular human body, then I accept the perceived world as the reflection of the objective one (because human body is the part of it), and there are about 7E+9 more reflections on Earth. So there are other people too with their independent perceptions. 2.2. If I am an abstract observer, then I can't influence this world because I don't have a body to act in it (the body I am tied to obeys the laws of the world it exists in). In that case I think I can be tied to any body (e. g. to a stone). But it doesn't matter, because I do not exist: I was killed by Occam's razor. I neglect the possibility that I created this world deliberately and can create anything with my imagination. I failed to materialize one million bucks so far. So the world doesn't really depend that much on my consciousness. My experience shows me that it has objective nature. |
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So reward score/affiliate payments only help promote already connected affiliates, but do nothing to help you attract new affiliates is this right? If I spent 30 btc on an affiliate but nothing additional on bootstrapping I would never have any increased chance to attract new affiliates?
Yes, that's correct. The system is (pseudo)anonymous. Maybe that affiliate account belongs to you and you are just sending money to yourself  |
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In the grand scheme of things, it seems we are all the same person. I can't prove you exist and have your own perception. Maybe I create your image and projection of your perception "on-the-fly". In that case we are definitely the same person (in sense that thoughts expressed by you are in fact my thoughts). When I don't think about you, you do not exist. When I don't think about myself, I don't exist either. Or am I thinking about myself all the time? |
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I am simply skeptical. Nothing can be truly known except that you perceive and all that is perceived is simply perceptions. Beyond that, nothing can be proven to have intrinsic meaning except, again, that it can be perceived.
Solipsism is a cold hard truth that is so potent, that most people mark it as ridiculous from the start. It is much like when the concept of God came into question.
I am with you on this topic. However... What is the difference between living in objective world and living in imaginary world? (and if there is no difference, then what are we talking about?) Objectivity is simply realizing the boundaries of what can be known. As for what is imaginary and how one should live, I'll leave that up to you. I always thought of objectivity as of something that exists independently of our mind. I think everybody knows that there are false perceptions. What you say is that 100% of perceptions are quite possible to be false and the objective world is not what we perceive (perhaps, it might not exist at all). |
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I am simply skeptical. Nothing can be truly known except that you perceive and all that is perceived is simply perceptions. Beyond that, nothing can be proven to have intrinsic meaning except, again, that it can be perceived.
Solipsism is a cold hard truth that is so potent, that most people mark it as ridiculous from the start. It is much like when the concept of God came into question.
I am with you on this topic. However... What is the difference between living in objective world and living in imaginary world? (and if there is no difference, then what are we talking about?) |
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Thanks for your response. I still think there needs to be more, or at least more clear, documentation on how it works. I don't see why Dragon's Tale would have dumped 20 BTC into bootstrapping when they could have spent that money on affiliates and gotten more impressions/clicks for those BTC. My thoughts are that they didn't entirely understand how the system works?
It all seems rather complicated when I first approached it, and it took a while to wrap my head around it, as this network is so vastly different compared to existing ad networks.
Yes, I agree with you. I'd like either to make a better documentation, or to simplify the system, or both. Not sure how to do it yet. Regarding Dragon's Tale, I will ensure that it receives an adequate traffic for its money so that its anonymous advertiser is not offended, and affiliates get paid. |
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Deposited 30.49293495 btc thus gaining ~60955 impressions, CPM = 0.50025076 btc
Paid 10.65445235 btc to affiliates thus gaining ~548597 impressions, CPM = 0.01942125 btc
am I right in reading this to mean that 30 BTC has been paid for bootstrapping, while only 10 BTC has been paid to affiliates? I know/understand that AA needs bootstrap BTC for income, but these numbers seem waaaay too out of whack. AA getting 75% of the BTC seems a bit much, doesn't it?
Thank you for your question and feedback. The system is yet in its infancy, it is too early to judge. Just several days ago statistics looked very different. Amount deposited to bootstrap ads was about the same as amount paid to affiliates. Most of the money paid to affiliates were paid by me on behalf of advertisers (they show up in statistics as if they were paid by advertisers). But several days ago 20 btc was deposited to bootstrap the ad of Dragon's tale, and it influenced statistics a lot. I am thankful to this advertiser because I have some spare btc now to support affiliates and to promote the service. Bootstrap deposits work for the whole billing cycle (30 days by default), but affiliates need to be supported on the daily basis. Also it seems that advertisers started paying to affiliates themselves. For example, the ad of SteamCoin already paid to affiliates more than to anonymous ads. And we can see that it gets more unique impressions for less money. It is good for affiliates, because I was paying them only ~0.3 btc daily, whereas advertisers pay much more. I think that generally it is not a good idea for me to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers, because: 1) I don't know what visits are successful, only advertisers know it and can pay for it... If I pay, then I give incentive for fake clicks. 2) I don't want to interfere with advertisers that do it themselves and to reduce efficiency of their advertising campaign. So I expect that in the long run affiliates will get much more than Anonymous Ads, and I will not have to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers at all. Which to me seems to imply we have only earned what advertisers have paid us, and that we've gotten none of the 30 BTC from bootstrapping.
Bootstrapping money are generally not supposed to go to affiliates (except 10% referral payment to affiliate that attracted the advertiser). But it is not correct to say that affiliates didn't get anything from 30 BTC. I used this money to support them and will be using if advertisers won't. |
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Bootstrap score = average amount paid in bootstrap address per day during the current cycle. Dictates how often you will be shown in that 10% of each affiliate's views. The higher this is, the more new affiliates you will try.
Reward score = average amount paid to affiliates per day, during the current billing cycle. Dictates how often you appear in affiliates in the other 90% of the pageviews. We are more interested in the per affiliate reward score since that dictates how often will each affiliate will show your ads.
Are you sure you really mean "last cycle" and not the currently running cycle? I suppose you meant "current cycle"
Also, "Reward score" is different from "Bootstrap score": Bootstrap score is used directly in the ad selection algorithm for 10% of impressions, whereas Reward score is just an indicator, it shows de-facto speed of paying money to affiliates. For 90% impressions ads are selected according to their de-facto CPI for particular affiliates during the billing cycle (which is related to Reward score, but not exactly the same thing). When I say "during last billing cycle", I mean "during last <billing cycle> days". Is it the same as "current billing cycle"? For example, if you have a billing cycle of 5 days, the history of bootstrap score changes could look like that: | Day | Deposited | Bootstrap score | | 1 | 0 btc | 0 btc | | 2 | 1 btc | 0.2 btc | | 3 | 0 btc | 0.2 btc | | 4 | 0 btc | 0.2 btc | | 5 | 3 btc | 0.8 btc | | 6 | 0 btc | 0.8 btc | | 7 | 0 btc | 0.6 btc | | 8 | 0 btc | 0.6 btc | | 9 | 0 btc | 0.6 btc | | 10 | 0 btc | 0.0 btc |
Do you think if I replace "last billing cycle" with "current billing cycle", it will be clear? Or is the "Billing cycle" term confusing? Probably the "scores" are confusing too...  |
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New feature: advertisers can specify billing cycle (in days) thus defining the pace and time limit of their advertising campaign. "Bootstrap score" is now calculated as <amount of money deposited during last billing cycle> / <duration of billing cycle>. Instead of amount paid to affiliates during last 30 days, "Reward score" is shown, that is calculated as <amount of money paid to affiliates during last billing cycle> / <duration of billing cycle>. Not sure if concepts of "Bootstrap score" and "Reward score" make sense for anybody except me |
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I know that Dropbox gives you a chance for refferals in the hope of repeat business. However is it or is it not free at the point of use?
I don't think it is free, since Dropbox doesn't just give away extra storage. It offers extra storage in exchange for your marketing services (= inviting friends). If it was free, everybody would have at least 8Gb at Dropbox, and the system creatively developed by the OP would not exist. |
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As to the 'stealing' point,let me put it to you this way,you can't 'steal' a free gift (which in this case is free storage from refferals.). You are just paying for someone to use up those refferals that were given to you freely anyway (from your refferal links) so I really don't see that 'stealing' at all.
Does everybody agree with that? It is not really free. It is a form of lifetime reward for attracted customers. Dropbox says: "Invite your friends to Dropbox! For every friend who joins and installs Dropbox, we'll give you both 250 MB of bonus space (up to a limit of 8 GB)!" But here you don't do it, you just pay to a nice person who tricks Dropbox. PS: or am I misunderstanding something? |
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I believe it is a useful service for the end user, but it is controversial: Dropbox gives free extra space for promotion, not for using bots.
Even though I'd like to have 8Gb of space for free, I wouldn't use this service. It is like buying the stolen storage.
However I admire your technical skills and abilities if they allowed you to automate dropbox storage expansion.
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1) Set withdraw trigger instead. Yes, withdraw trigger would be a useful additional feature for affiliates. But billing cycle is important too, because it allows to limit the duration of advertising campaign. Right now each advertiser's payment has duration of 30 days (after the last payment is made, the ads will be shown for 30 days, so advertisers have to pay monthly to continue advertising). I think many advertisers would prefer to pay daily or weekly, or to have an intensive but short advertising campaign for just few days (e. g. in case of some event or promotion). 3) see prior post
I don't have Round Robin algorithm there, but I like your idea. Maybe it could be an option for affiliate (to not show repeating ads). 1QaZxSw2 and Tritonio, thank you for your participation! |
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It's secure as long as affiliates don't loose their edit URL.
Not that secure: 1) web browsers often send HTTP Referer info to the server, so if you follow some link after you use your edit URL, then the owner of the site that link points to will be able to see in logs your edit URL. 2) nothing is secure over HTTP (and i don't have yet SSL certificate signed by CA to make https.. though probably should get one). MAYBE targeting based on browser language would be better? Good idea, need to think it over (maybe could be both) Also allow affiliates to block image ads. That would be really useful and it is offered by most ad networks. (and I miss this feature) Why do you miss it? If you use image ads, then it is always graphics; if you use JS or IFRAME version, then it is always text. I hope you find some investor. Maybe you should think about putting anonymous ads on GLBSE? ( https://glbse.com/) Yes, I am thinking about it. Wow, great app, I like it! If you know how to create browser extensions in other browsers too, you might be interested in LightRider's idea. Do you think it is possible to implement it so that it works in all major browsers? (if yes - maybe it is worth of creating a separate topic to discuss it). |
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I might be interested in investing some Bitcoins.
Would you prefer to buy shares at GLBSE, or to finance/cooperate in some private fashion? |
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I may have some work for you in the future if you have the skills for it, what languages do you know?
I am most comfortable with LAMP, but I also used C/C++, C#, PHP, Ruby, ActionScript and other languages. Also I know some English and Russian. |
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