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9801  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can attacks on exchanges drop the price of bitcoin? on: April 03, 2013, 11:44:04 PM
It happens almost weekly.

The key is that exchanges are just a convenience. But that convenience affects the price of Bitcoin by allowing people to easily move their money into Bitcoin.

When it was just people on an IRC channel trading, the price was much lower.

But as more exchanges pop up (which they can), the more decentralized things become.


I have said this before, Bitcoin is demonstrating why patents are not as necessary as one would think. If you come up with an idea early and execute it well, people will use your product or service. You will be able to grow your business and grow that trust. As others try to copy your idea or product, they are at a disadvantage of trying to compete where you already have the advantage. It is on them to come up with new ideas and better service to take away market share from you.

MtGox was out of the gate early and built that trust. It is on all other exchanges to prove themselves or offer something that MtGox does not offer (new ideas).
9802  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I say it again: REDUCE THE FEES! on: April 03, 2013, 11:35:26 PM
Who, exactly, is this request directed to?

There are ways to not pay fees. Check the board.

I usually do not pay fees. But I only send coins every once in a while.

What are you spending on that costs such huge fees?
9803  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is this Bitcoin's achilles heel? on: April 03, 2013, 11:21:40 PM
Ok guys, we may as well give it up. We have all been trying to cover up this flaw in the system so that the government does not enact this strategy.

I will be the bigger man and step forward to tell the truth. This is a huge vulnerability.

The US government and the Federal Reserve could wipe us all out by pouring tons and tons of money into Bitcoin.

I hope they do not do that, it would be so disasterous that I cannot imagine.

But we must admit this and hope that no Federal agent or someone close to the Federal Reserve reveals this to them, otherwise they may just go ahead and destroy Bitcoin by buying over and over and over.

I am just glad that no government officials are reading this now. If they were, I hope they would not go to their bosses with multi-billion dollar proposals to buy everyone's bitcoins. They would likely become heros among their peers and get laid...a LOT...once it all works.
9804  Economy / Speculation / Re: 20 calls a day from large asset managers looking to invest up to $100m. on: April 03, 2013, 11:08:29 PM
It appears that it is Exante that is dealing with the large loads:

"Exante, a Malta-based asset manager, set up a Bitcoin fund last year that was largely intended as a fun punt. Wealthy investors each put in $1,000 when Bitcoins were trading at $13 on the understanding they could lose the original investment. Exante predicted that public and media interest would take off when Bitcoins were trading at $100. Managing partner Gatis Eglitis claims they are now getting 20 calls a day from large asset managers looking to invest up to $100m."
9805  Economy / Speculation / Re: 20 calls a day from large asset managers looking to invest up to $100m. on: April 03, 2013, 11:02:54 PM
what did you expect?

I kind of expected this, because I know that even skeptics will come to appreciate how brilliant Bitcoin is when they bother to learn in detail about it.


personally I'm starting to doubt bitcoin abit because it requires someone to pay for Energy forever and in increasing amounts to keep it alive

Is there another currency that doesn't?
USD doesnt need a permanent inflow of ever increasing Energy to keep it's perceived value alive

Sure the printed paper is energy neutral once printed, however that is so insignificant it shouldn't factor into the assessment.

Ever had to move $1 million in printed money?

Me neither.

But it is done daily. In armored trucks. A few men driving huge gas guzzlers all day.

That money then sits in a vault, in a bank with security systems, lights, temperature control, staff, phone systems, computer systems, those workers driving to and from the bank, customers driving to and from the bank, etc...

Or just stay at home, trade BTC online.
9806  Economy / Speculation / Re: login to mtgox broken on: April 03, 2013, 10:42:09 PM
hmm.. login works, but buying and selling price doesn't move, Not sure if that really works...

Set your price based on the price at http://www.bitcoinity.com

It will go through.
9807  Economy / Speculation / Re: POP! (and up we go again....) on: April 03, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
This looks a lot more like a true top, so, yeah, pop.  Don't let the bouncing around fool you.

Just to clarify...are you saying we should sell?
9808  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 03, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
Since the price has already hit $147 there are no psychological barriers between here and there.
9809  Economy / Speculation / Re: 20 calls a day from large asset managers looking to invest up to $100m. on: April 03, 2013, 10:33:01 PM
It only needs just a bit more energy than that which would be able to attack it.
My comment has nothing to do with attacking it

I'm saying is that Energy must be input into the Bitcoin system at all times (and in ever-increasing as it grows because people can make a profit mining).

Because of this, someone must pay (Energy, or USD to pay for Energy) this somehow, just to keep Bitcoin blockchain viable

I'm just wondering who's gonna pay for it

Online USD banking doesn't have an Energy sink like Bitcoin does (neither does as any other form of centralized online currency based on whatever)

Thousands of mesh solar mining rigs placed all over the country will become commonplace.
9810  Economy / Speculation / Re: login to mtgox broken on: April 03, 2013, 10:30:17 PM
Insanity. I just put my last buy in at $126 and it dropped a few seconds later to $114.

Done selling, I made a $1,200 mistake selling some at $99 hoping that it would dip a few dollars after hitting the $100 psychological barrier.

I will just buy when I have cash no matter the price. This is too much.
9811  Economy / Speculation / Re: 20 calls a day from large asset managers looking to invest up to $100m. on: April 03, 2013, 10:24:25 PM
It only needs just a bit more energy than that which would be able to attack it.
9812  Economy / Speculation / Re: login to mtgox broken on: April 03, 2013, 10:08:03 PM

Thank you, apparently from the home page it just freezes.
9813  Economy / Speculation / Re: North Korea says it has final ok for nuclear attack against USA (buybuybuy!) on: April 03, 2013, 10:02:43 PM
Buy? How?

I don't think North Korea is selling nukes and if they did I doubt it's a good investment.

lol
9814  Economy / Speculation / Re: login to mtgox broken on: April 03, 2013, 10:00:59 PM
Same here.

I plan on selling 20k BTC when I finally do get in though.
9815  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 03, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Apparently someone has the following business plan:

buy 1000 malware bots on the dark net for $500

Set up $10,000 worth of buy orders at 30% below current MtGox price.

DDOS MtGox until the price falls to your buy orders.

Price returns.

30% price rise

$2,800 profit
9816  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 03, 2013, 09:51:09 PM
bitfloor at 138$ I wish I had money in a exchange lol

I have money in an exchange...it is called MtGox.

Just sitting there...waiting for me to log in when it is back up to $140.
9817  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 03, 2013, 09:46:23 PM
I thought Coinbase was crowd funded.
9818  Economy / Speculation / Re: North Korea says it has final ok for nuclear attack against USA (buybuybuy!) on: April 03, 2013, 09:38:42 PM
Buy? How?
9819  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 03, 2013, 09:37:32 PM
GOX HAS SPOKEN

Quote
MtGox.com ‏@MtGox 48s
@binarybits @dksdan can confirm we are eating ddos right now, and for some reason Prolexic didn't block it

Prolexic is buying some cheap bitoins!
9820  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin Reserve Board? on: April 03, 2013, 06:46:47 AM
I know this flies in the face of most people here, including myself. But I am wondering how this would fare..

Set up a group of people who have large holdings and interest in Bitcoin and have them use their large holdings to stabilize the price of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin may have a $1 Billion market cap but it is mainly the amount traded on MtGox that determines the price. Something that could be easily controlled with just a fraction of the full Bitcoin economy.

If the group were to set huge ask and bid walls around a set number, while still raising or lowering on a regular basis as market trends indicate (much like the Fed board meeting to set interest rates), then we could have a bit more stability and we could avoid huge swings either way.

Of course, if the market is too heavy either way and they underestimate the market pressure they could lose one of their walls and lose money so it would be in their interest to follow the market closely and rise and fall at a sustainable rate that the market is calling for.

It could even be advertised that the rate will be going up or down at X% per day so people could plan accordingly. If a major event occurs the rate can be changed.

Judging from some of the walls, a half million dollars worth on each side would probably help to lead the market and hold off on any major wall falling.
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