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9841  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much of your money only needed for gambling and others is for family on: December 05, 2019, 10:23:58 AM
Many people do not understand what personal responsibility is. When you have a family and children you have certain obligations that do not allow you to act recklessly.
You must accept the responsibility that is assigned to you in raising your children and maintaining your family, and it is also very important to take it for granted.
This means that you can spend only the money that does not harm the well-being of your family, because the family should be in first place, and you in second.

Some gamblers who can accept the responsibility and they still take care of their family. It is very difficult to gamble and also make sure our family will get their daily needs. That makes us choose, which is important, and I guess that we should choose our family, and we should stop gamble. That is why we need to limit our money in gambling so we can use that money for our family.
9842  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling with Fiat or Crypto? on: December 05, 2019, 09:31:50 AM

Lol, you repeat again that fiat is real money. Or you probably mean physical fiat... physical =real?
 Guess you don't gamble online with your local virtual fiat currency or you don't really gamble on local gambling sites.  I kind of understand your point though.


Hahaha, I hope now I make it right Grin


For us who earn crypto in online or in this forum to be specific, we might not value our crypto that much compared to the fiat that we earned through our day job as what we are earning here can be considered as extra income or maybe appropriate to call it as reward and with that reward its just right to enjoy it and gambling is one of them.

Personally I feel what michellee has stated, I am less worried to loss my crypto compared to the depositing fiat to a gambling site.

Thank you for explaining what I mean.


We gambling there are 2 online and real tradional. I often play gambling online and that's what I often do, but in gambling, I prefer to use crypto than fiat because crypto is easier to withdrawal and deposit, but fiat in my area is difficult when depositing. so there I prefer crypto even though the price is often fluctuating for me it doesn't matter that gambling is my pleasure.
Playing gambling at the table is not my pleasure because I always lose whether what happens to myself when playing real gambling always loses only a few wins. hmm

In my area, we can send/deposit some money through their bank account, and they give credit to our account so we can start to gamble. I don't want to use that way since I need to spend that money. Besides that, I think my banks will be suspicious if I do that because they prohibit their members from sending any money for unknown transactions, and they will investigate both accounts.
9843  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: When next bull run happen?? on: December 05, 2019, 06:00:26 AM
No one knows this answer but everyone dreams of it! To me, there will be no bull run before the bitcoin halving! Even it will not come immediately, after 6 months of retaining g the real bull run may come, not before.
lol how come that you are assure of not having bullrun before halving?don't forget that there are chances of having bull this december before the halving though for the record it always after the halving that the prices grows.
Let's hope that there is bull run after the halving event or just increase at least 50% the price of bitcoin so the altcoins will start bullish so the market would be better.
why not wish to have increase this year before?

but i was thinking of maybe the whales will make some action this before year end.they may make some trap as investors believe in every halving there is a growth.

Okay, let's wait and see what happens in the next 24 days. The December month is here, and the crypto market movements are still lower than expected. There is no chance for the bull run in this month or even in the next 3 months. We both is active here, so, let's wait and let it be clear who was right.

I am also curious of what will happen later because I see that although bitcoin price does not increase so high, the chance is still there and that makes me think that bitcoin price can increase in anytime. No matter if the bitcoin price cannot increase in this month or the next 3 months, I am sure the bitcoin price will increase at the right time. So I agree that we should wait for a while and we will go to see what is happening next with bitcoin.
9844  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling with Fiat or Crypto? on: December 04, 2019, 09:03:05 AM
But I still prefer to play gambling with fiat than crypto because I don't have to risk my real money.

I don't understand this, fiat and crypto are both money, and therefore you are risking money regardless of what you use to gamble.

Sorry, but I have to ask this, are you have you tried gambling both in crypto and fiat?

Ah, I make a mistake by writing that. Thank you for reminding me. I edit my post Grin

Yes, fiat and crypto is money, but when I play gambling with crypto, I don't risk my real money, but I send some coin to the gambling website so I can directly play gambling. I mean I prefer to play gambling with crypto than fiat because if I use fiat to gamble, I need to use my money from my pockets.
9845  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here is why Bitcoin can only go down on: December 03, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
Lover and haters everywhere. Not only crypto. First of all I saw thousands of calculation like you.saw thousands of posts that bitcoin will be 0.01$ or bitcoin will be dead. But finally bitcoin is more than 7500$ right now.hope i will see same post when bitcoin price will be more than 30k$.but no matter bitcoin is bitcoin. Lovers will love and haters will hate.       
bitcoin price is currently quite high. We should be proud of the price of bitcoin, which is currently stable at $ 7k. The price of $ 7k is huge compared to the price of bitcoin in 2016. Don't just assume bitcoin will only go down. See the bitcoin graph from year to year. Bitcoin is increasingly rising. The rise and fall of bitcoin is a characteristic of fluctuating cryptocurrency.
After reached higher price from first start bitcoin launching to public now bitcoin have go down with lower price, always have moment with bitcoin on higher or lower price give us be careful when invest with bitcoin, have to know when bitcoin get positive respond from public to make price on higher and know when bitcoin in lower price.

I think we will see bitcoin price will going on to fluctuate in the future, especially if the price is at a higher price. It seems before we reached the highest price, the price goes down many times, but we can hope that the price will be increased after the down of the price. And we will have more chances to buy bitcoin at a low price and sell at a high price. I don't think that bitcoin will only go down without any chance to go up because bitcoin will be volatile.
9846  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling with Fiat or Crypto? on: December 03, 2019, 06:39:33 AM
I depend on the situation, if I do online gambling I use crypto which in my opinion is simpler and easier when betting online gambling.
and if I do traditional or real gambling I use fiat to bet, and I usually play card gambling with fiat bets on the table.

I think that it will be a good idea if we can gamble depend on the situation because we live in real life and we often socialize with other people. Some of them will ask us to play a card, and of course, with some money inside the games. And that will be better if we can use the limits in traditional gambling as we don't want to get the lose of the money. But I still prefer to play gambling with crypto than fiat because I don't have to risk my real money.
9847  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you use a VPN? on: December 03, 2019, 04:32:33 AM
I don't use VPN too often, but I have a premium account in the HMA. That is a good VPN service for me because I didn't have a problem when I used their VPN. The price is not too expensive, but you should use Paypal to buy HMA VPN.

This article will give you a list for VPN which can be bought using bitcoin:

https://proprivacy.com/vpn/comparison/best-vpn-bitcoin
9848  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin reach $ 19k again before 2022? (poll inside) on: December 02, 2019, 05:47:50 PM
I vote for yes because if we see on the chart so far, the chart shows that the price is trying to move up and although we are still at $7267 according to the price now, it can increase higher in the next year. I only think about if the price is not moving at the higher rate before or after halving time, then maybe we need to wait for a very long time and there will be an unknown time to see when the price will increase. We are already waiting for almost 2 years to see bitcoin price will grow, but unfortunately, we still at less than $10k now.

So if we check on the chart at 2012 when the second halving happens, the price rises so high, from $100-$300 to $1000 or more in 2014 but then the price was back to lower than $1000. Then we start to see another highest price in 2017-2018 after the halving comes in 2016 and that reached for almost $20k in that year. So we are going to see the third time of halving in the next year, and if the price is down for lower than $6k, then that will be the best time to buy bitcoin. We might see another highest price again in 2021 or 2022, but I am not sure when it will happen.

But if the price really increases higher, I think the price will reach more than $19k because we already concluded that price in 2017-2018. But I don't know if that will comes true or not as I don't know much about analysis and I only see for what I see at the market.


Source of image : https://ihodl.com/infographics/2018-04-09/chart-day-bitcoin-reward-halving-and-price-history/
9849  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Social experiments in the world of gambling on: December 02, 2019, 04:16:22 PM

I think the same as you. It is better to give the money to people who needed than to give for people who will use that money to play gambling. I think that a person cannot control himself in gambling, so when he loses the money, he wants to play more and more. And if he doesn't have more money, he will borrow from the other people. But maybe we can ask him what the money that he wants to borrow. But that will depend on us, and we don't have to lend the money if we don't have more money.
This is really simple if the help that a gambler is asking from you is in the form of money you should always refuse regardless of what kind of excuse they use to try to convince you, you must remember that it is very difficult to detect if a person is addicted to gambling and if that person lost everything that he had with him when he entered the casino you cannot be sure that he's not addicted to gambling and that he is not going to spend whatever you lend to him at the casino once you turn your back to him.

That is why I never lend my money to other people who I don't know. Even if I know that person, I will ask him what for that money so I can see that he will not use that money for playing gambling. I will find out his habit first before I lend the money because I don't want him to use the money for something wrong. And using the lending money for playing gambling will be totally wrong because he will be difficult to pay back the money.
9850  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: China is Crushing The U.S. in Blockchain Adoption on: December 02, 2019, 10:07:36 AM
In technology, China can compete with the US and the other big countries because they have resources, and they have skills to create or modify something. We can see around us that many products are from China, and it is no surprise if the Chinese can beat the US. I think if they can use blockchain technology in their countries, that will give a big impact on the financial system, and that means, the adoption might become from Chinese.
9851  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Tips for newbies to trading on: December 01, 2019, 11:31:07 AM

- Start small: There is no hurry in trading and as a newbie, you should start small and grow with time. Losses are ineluctable, so a small capital will reduce your losses.
At every point, only invest what you can afford to loss


Yes, this is suitable for beginners with small capital because the risk is minimal if the funds are small, where beginners can learn how to trade without the fear of losing your capital if you use small funds.

Starting with a small amount is good for new people because they analyze and watching the price moves. They can use that amount to learn the movements of the coin so, in the next trade, they can know, and they can analyze better. That will prevent them from losing in a big amount of money in one trade so they can repeat the other trade in the next time. Only afford the money you can lose will be the best tips for new people, so they don't have to worry about losing that money.
9852  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Just a question on: December 01, 2019, 08:45:23 AM
I guess OP has so many answers from many members. I think the volume of every cex or dex will increase, and people will choose on which platform they want to trade. Maybe one person still stays on cex and will not use dex, but the other person will try to use dex and moves his funds to dex. But I don't think that dex is the perfect answer for the stolen fund from the exchanges because I think the hacker or the thief will hold the funds for a while until the situations can calm down and then they will move the funds to any exchanges they want.
9853  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: DO YOU feeL THE MARKET WILL CRASH TOO ? on: December 01, 2019, 06:33:39 AM
We will see soon if the market will crash or not. But maybe this time, the market will not crash, but the market will be raised because we are at the bottom, so the chance to see the crash will not be too big. But we need to prepare because no one will know if the market will crash or not and only with the preparation we can survive if the crash happens. Whenever you see the market is going down, you don't need to panic because maybe that is just temporary, and after that, the price will be back to the higher price.
9854  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Importance of Identifying A Bull Trap And Bear Trap In Cryptocurrency on: November 30, 2019, 01:56:21 PM
I don't think that most people can identify the bull trap or the bear trap in cryptocurrency because we don't know what will happen to the price. We can only see if we are in the market and trying to buy or sell that coin, so after we purchased, the price will go down or up without any sign. The best thing that we can do is prepare for the worst and make another strategy so we can handle the bad situations that will happen. We can find a way out if we can think clearly about the current situations so that we will get that way as soon as possible. We can minimize the risk.
9855  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Social experiments in the world of gambling on: November 29, 2019, 03:22:44 AM
If someone bet and he suffers a big loss and then goes here to ask a little help from you, are you willing to give him help?
Have you ever experienced something like that, how do you deal with this loss?
If someone suffer because of gambling i think that person is not okay to give him help why because he know the risk of gambling. If he need help because he lose in gambling i think he don't deserve for a help if i have money i will choose to give in poor people than to this guy lossing his money in gambling.
I gamble also but i know how to control my self so that i didn't lose a big amount. Maybe try again next time to find your luck don't be greedy.

I think the same as you. It is better to give the money to people who needed than to give for people who will use that money to play gambling. I think that a person cannot control himself in gambling, so when he loses the money, he wants to play more and more. And if he doesn't have more money, he will borrow from the other people. But maybe we can ask him what the money that he wants to borrow. But that will depend on us, and we don't have to lend the money if we don't have more money.
9856  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is your take? on: November 28, 2019, 12:11:47 PM
Science 2018 my ROI is on the bottom, the prices of crypto dropped so hard during the last several years. But on the other hand, current situation offers a great opportunity to buy crypto currencies for insane prices.
In the current situation it does offer great opportunities for traders, but it must also be remembered that the risks are also large, because today's market conditions are very difficult to predict, so that the profit opportunity and the loss opportunity is very close.

We all have a terrible experience since 2018, but we can hope that soon, the bad experience will replace with a good experience. This situation will be good for us to buy more coins because all coins have been reset to the lowest price. But after this, we might see the bull run coming, and that can help us to make a big profit again like before. We should get ready by buying more coin if we think we want a bigger profit.
9857  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can bitcoin readh 10000usd this year again? on: November 28, 2019, 10:56:38 AM
I am afraid that no one will know the right answer. Although it is possible to hit $10k this year, it seems bitcoin is hard to hit that price. We already got so many times for the price to go up and down. So maybe at the end of this year, we will still see bitcoin is less than $10k, but in the next year, we will have a big chance to see bitcoin will start to increase higher. We still have many times to see bitcoin price will move to a higher price, and it is better we enjoy the ride for now and buy more bitcoin.
9858  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [What IF] Part 7 on: November 28, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
I will not be angry with my kid if he uses my computer or laptop while I accept a phone call. And if somehow, he continues my play in games, and suddenly he wins, maybe I will allow him to play more to looks if he can win for another round but not for longer time Grin

It doesn't mean I teach my kids or whatever, and I only want to know how good he played. I wouldn't mind losing some money if, in that time, I gamble, but I won't allow him to play longer because that means, I will be ready for everything that might happen.
9859  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Social experiments in the world of gambling on: November 28, 2019, 08:02:42 AM
If someone bet and he suffers a big loss and then goes here to ask a little help from you, are you willing to give him help?
I will only help people who are really having a hard time, and losing when gambling is not a difficulty!!  my personal experience, people who lose big in gambling will never return the services, energy or money we help, they only use us and will not help us when we have difficulties in the future.

You got that. They only borrow money without thinking about how they will go to pay the money. Once they got the money from us, they will not show themselves to us because they will busy to play gambling. If they win, they will not come to us and pay the money, but they will use that money to gamble again. But if they lose, they will come to us and ask for another time to pay for the money back.
9860  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling as a profession: there's people who live out of gambling? on: November 28, 2019, 06:59:17 AM
For me gambling could be a profession for sure for a lot of people but it was really risky for a lot of people maybe if you have a lot of money or already have a lot of businesses and passive incomes like apartment or restaurant, you already have a source of income that you could use in gambling and have a chance to win as your profession. But surely if your already a professional in gambling you should not reach the point where already gambling all of your money you should always limit your money to gamble.

The risk is not worth for every people because they need to spend time to learn the skills in gambling. They need to have money to learn the lesson, and they must prepare for the lose that always comes to them at any time. Although you already get passive income, it doesn't guarantee you to have a chance to win in gambling because you know that gambling will be related to luck. It will be difficult to be a professional in gambling because that will need time and learning in gambling, and not all people can do that.
The first money that I deposited in online gambling site is the money that I can afford to lose which means it is the excess money from my savings. I accepted the risks that I am taking and I know that my money is not safe in there because in gambling there is no assurance of meaning and there is only possibilities. Many people got depressed in gambling because they lose big amount of money in there and they didn't identify the risks that they taking. Their allocation of their funds are also the problem.

At least, you do the right way because I see that you use the money which you don't use for anything. I see that many people use that way for the first time, but then they will drag into the deep of gambling, and they can use the money that they want to use for something. And later, they can use more money if they think that their chance to win will be bigger. So they will decide to deposit more and more, but in the end, only a few of them that can win the money.
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