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How to see what charge it gives on hosting? Won`t website go down when 6000 generating btc through bitcoinplus. And this site like youtube, so won`t visitors have lags trying watching videos?
I'm not sure what you mean the charge it gives on hosting? And nope, if there's more traffic, I can always add more servers. I already have a few high traffic websites using this right now, and my servers are fine. For the last point, I try to make it only use spare CPU power. You can try it out for yourself - start generating and then go watch a video. Your hash rate will go down, but your computer won't lag at all. |
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Maybe also keep in mind that this might annoy people ("my laptop freezes when accessing your page" etc.) and cause you a lot of support work.
I've spent some time to make sure that this doesn't lag your computer when it's in use. I've had several people tell me that they didn't realize when it was running, because it was so good at staying in the background. This is based on my regular browser bitcoin miner, which was meant to be left open all the time on a computer that was in use, without getting in the way. Well, the one linked above uses all my 4 cores on my PC to the max. meaning a laptop would soon start to get hot and loud... Is there a way to throttle it to let's say 33% of the possible hash rate? I've had that on my todo list for a while, throttling it, but it hasn't gotten done yet. However, it does run at low priority, so it shouldn't actually interfere with anything you're trying to do on the computer. It'll just make it run hot and turn your fan on. |
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Maybe also keep in mind that this might annoy people ("my laptop freezes when accessing your page" etc.) and cause you a lot of support work.
I've spent some time to make sure that this doesn't lag your computer when it's in use. I've had several people tell me that they didn't realize when it was running, because it was so good at staying in the background. This is based on my regular browser bitcoin miner, which was meant to be left open all the time on a computer that was in use, without getting in the way. |
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In which pool(s) does this miner mine?
How much of the generated BTC is being paid out?
Very nice. But its hard to make it worth since each person dont even make 1 Mhash That's true, it's only a small amount per person (compared to GPU mining). But when you have lots of visitors to your website, it adds up. Keep in mind that this can be in place of, or in addition to regular advertising (since it doesn't have to take up any screen space). |
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In which pool(s) does this miner mine?
How much of the generated BTC is being paid out?
This pool uses several pools for failover: slush's pool, deepbit, and a private pool. Right now the fees is 19%, but with a 4% discount if there is a link to Bitcoin Plus so the total fee is 15%. This payout is pay-per-share, so there's less variance than with proportional. |
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Embeddable Bitcoin Miner - Bitcoin Plus for WebsitesToday I'm happy to announce the launch of my embeddable bitcoin miner. This is a version of my browser bitcoin miner which can be included in a website so that your visitors mine bitcoin for you. Features- Easy setup - add a few lines of javascript to your page and that's it
- Fast - On my laptop, I generate at 850,000 hashes/sec (check your own speed here)
- Works in nearly any browser
Compatible BrowsersI've tested it and it should work on all of the following browsers: - Firefox 3, 3.5, 3.6, 4
- Internet Explorer 6, 7, 8, 9
- Chrome
- Safari 3, 4, 5
- Opera 9, 10, 11
If you don't see your browser listed here, please try it anyway and leave a comment if it works. Getting Started1. Go to the Bitcoin Plus for Websites page and copy/paste the code in to your website. 2. If you haven't already, register an account. That's all it takes. Problems/supportIf you have any questions or problems with this, please leave a comment here (or email donny@bitcoinplus.com).
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Hi guys,
I had some server troubles yesterday (it was under fairly heavy load) so there were some problems: sometimes when the miner would try to get work, it couldn't - that's why the speed would drop to zero, it was waiting to get work. Even worse, sometimes when it tried to submit work, it couldn't - however the client side was still thinking that it did, so it increased the number of payouts. This is why for several of you, there may be a discrepancy between the number of payouts shown in the coin generation page vs your account page.
Thankfully this was fixed yesterday evening, so it should all be fine now.
I'm sorry about that.
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Sorry guys, my server is under really heavy load right now from being slashdotted and the popularity here, so there are some connection timeouts going on.
I'm trying my best to get it worked out, it should be better soon.
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This Browser based miner would be a great thing to introduce people to Bitcoin mining.
I suppose it would have to say, "OK, you're mining now, although you aren't really earning anything significant", and the person might earn a share or two after they leave it on for a while. Just having crossed the mental hurdle of being successful in mining (even if negligibly) helps promote BTC.
Yup, that's precisely what I'm going for, introducing people to bitcoin and increasing the popularity. Later on hopefully I can add a way for them to earn more significant amounts. |
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One word:
WebGL.
It's the logical next step, and might provide some browser based GPU Mining for the masses.
Absolutely. I'd love to get that working, I'll try and spend some time on it. It might be tough to have it be unobtrusive like the miner is right now, but I'll try. |
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What's the math behind an idle computer and a CPU maxed computer?
I have a Kill-A-Watt meter... my iMac takes on another 35 watts as soon as I click "start generating" on the website. In Safari it says it gets about 2500 khash, a share every 0.48 hours, which is impressive on its own for something running in a browser. So a share measuring the CPU uptick only, is 0.035 kW * 0.48h = 0.017 kWh If a share is worth 0.0024 cents and the 2500 khash is sustainable, its payout is similar to the power cost, so it is "profitable" to the user only if they are managing to stick somebody else with the costs. (Something it shares in common with common crime) Notably, this rate is higher than what others are reporting, it could be that Java for the Mac runs better (it's an i5 3.1GHz quad core processor). Running this in IE / Safari for PC (in a virtual machine on the same Mac) consumes the same power but yields far less output. I'd guess your hash rate is higher because you've got a fairly good processor - quad core 3.1 GHz is quite nice. You're getting about the same hash per total clock speed as I am (my 850/(2.2ghz * 2 cores) = 193khash, your 2500/(3.1*4) = 201) Using your math for 0.017 kWh per share, I get the break-even price to be 14.1 cents per kWh. Where I am (Ontario) the off-peak cost is 6 cents, the peak-hour cost was recently increased to 10 cents - either way it's profitable. |
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ulfasoft i get 4mhash/s per core.. through this im getting 800khash-1600khash
One thing which could contribute a bit to the slower speeds: I deliberately set the thread priority to be the minimum. I wanted to make this so that you could run it all day, while you were actually using your computer (even gaming) and not notice that it was running. |
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I really like the idea and overall a pretty good implementation for a first go around. GPU Mining support would be a huge plus, but improving the performance of the current CPU mining implementation really needs to be done.
Using your site, my Core2Duo 2.2ghz gets about 660KHash/sec. Using Ufasoft's SSE2 miner, it gets ~5,500KHash/sec. I know that you are using Java and so can't exactly write to the instruction level of the hardware, but there should be some sort of optimizations that can help out at least a little bit.
I'm surprised the difference is that great. On my laptop, dual core 2.2 ghz I get 1700khash/sec using jgarzik's CPU miner, compared to 800-900khash/sec with my miner. Which is a lot less, but not as bad as you have it. There's a similar performance penalty on my desktop, a quad core - the applet is about 40% slower than a C miner. Unfortunately raw math is one of Java's few weak spots in terms of speed. I'm not sure how much faster I can make it. I'm just happy of the performance compared to a JS miner (I wrote a demo one and was getting more like 5khash/sec vs 850khash/sec with my applet) |
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This isn't useful for me as I'm doing all GPU mining, but well done on a great idea and good implementation! Good luck with this project!
Thanks  You've got your bitcointoss website, would you be interested in putting an embeddable miner on there? Edit: Just realized it's not yours, you've just got an affiliate link. Nevermind. |
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If it takes 5 hours to produce 0.0003 BTC
Then 33 x 5 or 165 hours to produce 1 bitcent
Which is worth less than a dime
Average computer uses 200 watts
That's 1 kWh every 5 hours (200W = 0.2kW; 0.2kW * 5h = 1kWh)
Or 33 kWh to produce a dime
Most people pay more than a dime per kWh
So this is a way to make someone else pay $3+ to earn you a dime
Why not just have them mail you their empty soda cans ... They will pay $3 in postage and then you can go recycle them for a dime
The economics are the same
That's based on the assumption that people are running this on a computer that would otherwise be off. It's pretty good about CPU priority, my computer is perfectly usable while this is generating. What's the math behind an idle computer and a CPU maxed computer? And yes, compared to GPU mining CPU mining is inefficient - but this is something that could get people interested in bitcoin who otherwise wouldn't take the time to set up a miner. I'm thinking of this as a kind of entry-level miner (at least until there are ways of doing GPU mining from the browser). |
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But I have to ask, you say it's PPS and while the page only takes 330Mhash to prevent lag the payout amount should go up after 5 min.. Or maybe I've mistaken it for a profit counter in which case you should add one..
The payout amount is the current payout, not total. If you want your total, register an account and go to the "my account" section. |
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i would totally embed this in my websites...  A new way to fund popular sites? Think Digg and every user contributes as long as he's on the page  That would be awesome. I'm going to have to work on that tonight... It would be like ads, except the website owner gets paid for having a website that people want to stay on, rather than for simple number of pageviews / click throughs. If you want to use my idea, you will need to pay a license :p How about I let you be one of the first to use it (do you have a website?). For people who are interested in this, being able to embed a miner in your website so that your visitors generate BTC for you, either reply here, PM me, or send me an email at donny@bitcoinplus.com and I'll let you know when it's ready. |
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i would totally embed this in my websites... A new way to fund popular sites? Think Digg and every user contributes as long as he's on the page That would be awesome. I'm going to have to work on that tonight... It would be like ads, except the website owner gets paid for having a website that people want to stay on, rather than for simple number of pageviews / click throughs. |
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I'm curious why you guys would like that feature - is it just to make it easy to stay anonymous? If you're worried about that then until I have this feature you can give a fake/temporary email - I don't validate it, it's only used to email a link to reset your password in case you forget.
Are there other reasons? It's helpful as a developer to know why users want a certain feature, to make sure I give you what you want.
I own several websites where people can donate (no BTC for now). It would be a simple way for them to donate this way and add BTC donation at the same time. More simple => more users. You're right, that would be an extremely simple way to let your visitors donate BTC. It wouldn't really cost them anything, just a bit of CPU time. |
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While novel, there is no way this could be profitable for anybody.
1000 hashes per second? This is 600,000 times slower than an ATI Radeon 5970. The power consumed would vastly exceed anything this could produce.
Sorry, I didn't make it clear - if it says 1000, you're getting 1000 kilo hashes per second, so 1 Mhash/sec. As CPU miners go, it is slower than one of the C miners, but that's the tradeoff of having it work from the browser. |
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