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I'm suspicious of that GDTPool always being number 102. As I understand it all the GDT members are paying into it so most of the Lisk payments do not get dispersed. What is happening to all that accumulated Lisk? Will it be paid out eventually? Must be hundreds of thousands by now.
The Lisk that GDT members pay to gdt_pool is paid out weekly to Gold Voters of the pool. When gdt_pool gets in the top 101, bronze and silver voters will also get payouts and Gold members' payouts should increase a bit too. |
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@Termie If the community is okay with me running two delegates, I will gladly give an even better deal  If mrv_pool starts forging, I will share 50% of that delegate with all voters and still share 5% from mrv. If a voter votes for mrv_pool and mrv, I will share 110% with those voters  Not only that, I will exclude every known address associated with a forging delegate to maximize returns to voters and have a cap to help small voters. I will also continue to make contributions like my liskscripts and Android App. While still not selling 100% and making donations to worthy contributions and projects |
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My usual question to the community Why are people still voting for liberspirita  liberspirita is selling 100% of their forged lisk everyday: https://explorer.lisk.io/address/2004134067472288525LThis is also the only confirmed person to be running 2 delegates. So while some people are making lots of contributions to Lisk and trying their hardest to get into the top 101. He is running 2 and selling 100% of one. Why is this type of action being supported? If people just care about pool payments, get liberspirita out and get gdtpool in. Those two would be sharing 165% of two delegates (75% + 90%), instead of 100% of two delegates (100% + 0%). or even better, if you look at the new structure: liberspirita(0%), robinhood(100%), & liskpro(20%) = 120% of three delegates VS robinhood(75%), gdtpool(90%), joo5ty or 5an1ty(25%) = 190% |
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I would again like to point out that liberspirita is selling 100% of their forged lisk everyday: https://explorer.lisk.io/address/2004134067472288525LThis is also the only confirmed person to be running 2 delegates. So while some people are making lots of contributions to Lisk and trying their hardest to get into the top 101. He is running 2 and selling 100% of one. Why is this type of action being supported? If people just care about pool payments, get liberspirita out and get gdtpool in. Those two would be sharing 165% of two delegates (75% + 90%), instead of 100% of two delegates (100% + 0%). or even better, if you look at the new structure: liberspirita(0%), robinhood(100%), & liskpro(20%) = 120% of three delegates VS robinhood(75%), gdtpool(90%), joo5ty or 5an1ty(25%) = 190% |
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Well, done job! Will you make it open-sourced? So, we can help develop it or detect/solve a bug? Yes, I will open source it once the code is cleaned up a bit more It currently is in a private repo, that I will share with anyone if they ask |
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... However, I don't understand why people are okay with this dumping of lisk from a forger
What would you do? In terms of risk management, you can not hold such large amount of a single altcoin. Lisk can be at $50 in a month or at 0. Who knows. Beside BTC you have to split into fiat, precious metal, stocks etc. btw, the Lisks are not gone, just someone else holds it... A delegate should be investing at least some of that back into the system. Whether it's paying out to voters, funding Lisk projects, etc. Not just sell 100% of their forged tokens everyday. What good does that delegate do for Lisk? Besides suppress the value of Lisk. If the argument is that it helps with distribution, then they should be giving tokens away; not selling. A delegate selling 100% of forged tokens does not help Lisk at all in my opinion. |
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yes it looks like the coins are going to poloniex. thats why i am sure that liberspirita and robinhood are the same person. one delegate pays to the voters and the other pays to him self. thats the deal with this combo voting.
He has openly stated that he runs both delegates. However, I don't understand why people are okay with this dumping of lisk from a forger 3297547993634065215L and from here it goes directly to Poloniex. Not what I expect from a "convinced Lisk supporter". Even RobinHood pool transfers smaller amounts to liberspirita. Sure, thats the voting income of liberspirita for voting RobinHood. But this awakens a greedy impression. Even this "bread crumbs" going to Polo. Share them back to smaller RobinHood voters would looking much nicer. 3297547993634065215L is probably just a Polo deposit address |
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I am proud Lisk bagholder xD
I would like to ask you what with LISK rebranding I heard it was planned for August but as everyone can see there's end of September and still nothing happend...
Etheteum is one step from entering the mainstream and what with Lisk?
Hi! Here is the blog post Lisk HQ recently posted about the rebrand timeline: https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-rebrand-development-timeline-76bbf1f81cf5 |
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You guys continue arguing because you don't want to gain less money than you do. That's all.
That's fun the two of you are amongst the less sharing delegates of the top101 list.
And you keep arguing while there are lots of delegates SHARING far more than you AND still CONTRIBUTING to the community and the LISK ecosystem.
You just don't seem to like that we share through donations to projects instead of directly to voters. We do share a lot more then you are trying to give us credit for. You also seem to be ignoring the delegates that are contributing less and sharing the same or less then us too. I'm also still curious what you think of the lightcurve delegate Edit: If you want us to share more with you, just show us something you are working on for Lisk. We reward contributions, not the size of your wallet. Your sharing will just lead to the rich getting richer issue that many don't like too |
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... we just want a bigger part of the cake...
Then do something useful for Lisk. Organize a meetup. tweet about it. Explain it to friends. Write a tool. Publish a website. Do ANYTHING, let me know and I'm very happy to award you with much more than only a few single LSK for voting. Help contributing to Lisk by increasing its value. That's how you will get a bigger part of the cake. This! I will and have gladly donated to people contributing. B) Being voters, being holders, being buyers and not sellers is already helping LSK to grow. If you can't see it, you're blind.
If this is what should be rewarded then I should be rewarding myself too just for this As I have bought more lisk, voted, and hold. So I'm helping Lisk grow though that and contributions, so I guess I should be giving myself double  In reality though, voters and holders already get rewarded by the people and delegates that work on projects on Lisk and increase it's value. So those people are already getting their share. If they also wanted their account to be like a savings account where they earn interest on their holdings, that is what PoS is |
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Telling us that WE are greedy voters because we want you to share more is INSULTING.
I did't call you greedy, I called the delegate that just sells what they don't share greedy Also, you are not looking at the whole picture. Just because I don't share how you want me to, doesn't mean I don't share a lot. I have a 5% share that originally was supposed to just be a thank you to voters. Then I also donate to the gdtpool every week, so that more than doubles my sharing (this is just like elite pool where they all donate to one account that gives out the funds, we have a similar concept). Then I have a large chunck of my forged funds reserved for donations. This fund I have used several times already to make donations. So that is the big way I share. Same type of concept as Lisk HQ's community fund So when you look at the whole picture I reserve around 50% of my forged lisk to share and donate. Would you also call lightcurve a greedy delegate since it shares nothing and just goes to the employees of Lisk HQ?? |
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I strongly support active contributors to LISK and prefer voting them over profit sharing only delegates. However, let be transparent, fair and accountable. Don't be too greedy and see voters as idiots Dear voters, Let raise your voice and ask delegates for increasing their profit sharing ratio to at least 50% and consider unvoting the following delegates + corsaro: 10% share only + tembo: 15% share only + mrv: 5% share only + redsn0w: 10% share only + splatters: 10% share only + joel: 15% + dakk: 15% + 4miners.net: 0% + cc001: 0% + digitron: 0% + hmachado: 0% + grumlin: 0% + goldeneye: 0% + liskgate: 0% + punkrock: 0% + gr33ndrag0n: 0% It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy All of them are from GDTPool Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.comDelegate owners please contact http://earnlisk.com/ owner to update your profit sharing ratio You say " I strongly support active contributors to LISK and prefer voting them over profit sharing only delegates", but you are telling people to unvote active contributors to lisk like myself that has been closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.walletor gr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning? or hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly or 4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues. or cc001 who HQ has thought it a good enough delegate that they made a lisk.chat moderator, helping countless new people in chat and has provided many tutorials and guides in the forums. And insteadYou ask people to vote for a profit sharing only delegate that is openly selling the Lisk they keep and providing nothing for Lisk except a pool delegate. I also find it interesting that you are only asking to unvote GDT members and community contributors; when there is another person in the top 101 that is running 2 delegates and sharing nothing with one of them while providing nothing for Lisk except the other delegate which is a pool. Hmm.... Edit: I missed that you said Don't be too greedy and see voters as idiots. You say this but then tell everyone to vote for a delegate sold all the forged lisk that they set aside for app development for personal gains; and admits to just selling the 50% they weren't sharing with voters; again for presumably just personal gains since they aren't contributing to the Lisk community anymore. Edit 2: If you want a 90% pool vote in, wouldn't it make more sense to vote gdtpool instead of techbytes? techbytes has a history of just selling what lisk they can for their own profits. gdtpool says they will use the 10% not shared to fund and donate to Lisk development projects. Also, the gdtpool excludes all GDT members so more goes back commuity voters. Again, this makes your points very interesting.... |
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For the delegates that are actively contributing to the Lisk network. Nobody is complaining about that. We just think that a reasonable amount to keep for yourself is 50% - which is MORE THAN ENOUGH. And give back to the people voting for you at least 50%
The delegates that are not contributing to the Lisk network, need to bump up their percentage of pool reward to at least 75%, imho.
It's the low percentages (or no sharing) that people are upset with. Rectify, this, like techbytes and samurai, and you will have loyal voters.
+1 I am just trying to follow your guys logic. Do I have this correct? 1.) So because I contribute to the Lisk Network, it's okay for me to just keep 50% of my forged Lisk to sell whenever I want as long as I share the other 50% with my voters? I shouldn't worry about the future of the Lisk ecosystem and helping to fund good Apps that will improve Lisk or reward good contributions by people to the system? (btw, this is what HQ has stated in the past delegates should do and I believe it's why Lisk HQ doesn't have a bounty program. Active delegates are supposed to be rewarding these people. As some of us do with donations.) 2.) If I don't feel like contributing to Lisk anymore, I can just raise my sharing to 75% and just keep 25% for myself for doing nothing anymore but being lucky enough to get a lot of votes? |
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People are not screaming to get 80% or 90% share of the profits. They are only complaining about people who shares like 5-10% and not doing much for the ecosystem, which is totally understandable.
I would think you are not saying that myself, gr33ndrag0n, cc001, or 4miners.net (there are others, but no need to list them all) are not doing much for the ecosystem. We contribute and participate regularly. Also, do people understand that pools benefit the big bagholders the most? If you have less that 1000LSK there is no real point in voting for pool delegates. It will take weeks, if not months just to get back the cost of your vote; and after that your profits are minimal. You have more to gain by voting the delegates that will increase the price of lisk by adding to it; and those increasing the price of the lisk you hold. You can get much bigger gains that way. The original point of voting was to have the forging delegates be active members of the community that add value to the system (like the delegates I have been listing). The delegates that are not contributing to the Lisk network, need to bump up their percentage of pool reward to at least 75%, imho.
Why is it acceptable to have forging delegates that don't contribute to the Lisk network They shouldn't raise their pool rewards, they should be voted out. There are plenty of worth standby delegates that are contributing to the Lisk network that should be voted in instead For the delegates that are actively contributing to the Lisk network. Nobody is complaining about that. We just think that a reasonable amount to keep for yourself is 50% - which is MORE THAN ENOUGH. And give back to the people voting for you at least 50%
Who says active delegates that are not big pools are keeping it all for themselves? Example is that I have forged Lisk reserved just for worthy lisk projects and apps that I will help fund and/or donate to. Just like I donated to 5an1ty for his docker contributions to lisk. Delegates should not just be keeping all forged lisk they don't share with voters. If they are a good delegate, they will put that forged lisk back into the system through donations and funding to others. If they don't and they just sell what they keep, they should be unvoted from forging; as we recently saw happen. |
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Notable contributions to the LISK network should be rewarded by the LISK team imho. Otherwise only delegates would be interested in doing anything for LISK and we have to think about much bigger audience here.
Lisk HQ has no bounty program currently and if you want to work for them, you have to move to Berlin. So it's very difficult for delegates to be rewarded by them. I'll ask you the same question though as I stated above: would it be better if I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all contributions besides taking part in a little Lisk chat as some of these pools are doing? or do you like my robinhood idea? Either of those would be much easier for me. You can have your percentage and I can just sell my percentage and not do anything else. No one is questioning those pools' contributions to lisk because people only see the share percentage. However, most of them has stated no other intention to do anything with the lisk they keep except sell it. Instead people are attacking delegates that are contributing to the Lisk system, donating to worthy causes, and putting in a lot of time. Edit: I forgot to say too that even HQ has stated in the past that delegates are there to fund worthy projects. So we shouldn't be making giant pools that just ends up rewarding investors. Delegates are supposed to be making donations and many of the people lists to be unvoted do donate to projects. I just donated to 5an1ty a few thousand dollars worth of lisk last week for all of his work on Docker for Lisk |
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I respect your occasional contributions to the community but don't be too greedy. Voters don't vote for free. They need to buy and hold LSK to vote for you. It comes at a cost in USD and huge opportunity cost. You earn a lot from your delegate. If it is considered your monthly salary, think about it. Is it too high? And think about voters who pay you
You're only looking at one method to give back to voters. What if my Android App increases the value of Lisk? or what would have happened to the value if network was down for longer after past bugs because gr33ndrag0n didn't have his great snapshots available to every delegate? By voting for contributing delegates, you are getting a return on your vote by the extra value we give Lisk. A better question is what have the pools done to earn the 10%-50% that they keep for themselves? Would you rather I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all my contributions to Lisk? That would be easier for me Edit: Or better yet, I can pull a robinhood (btw, I respect liber for his strategy here ). I can make another delegate that gives 80% if you vote for it and 110% if you vote for it and me I'll put a cap at 50k to help smaller voters and provide a one time reimbursement to voters holding 100-2000LSK of 1LSK for their vote, so that doesn't take away from their profits. That way you get your nice pool payments and I keep 90% for providing that delegate for you that's one of the best deals out there for pool payments |
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Please unvote the following delegates + corsaro: 10% share only + tembo: 15% share only + mrv: 5% share only + redsn0w: 10% share only + splatters: 10% share only + joel: 15% + dakk: 15% + 4miners.net: 0% + cc001: 0% + digitron: 0% + hmachado: 0% + grumlin: 0% + goldeneye: 0% + liskgate: 0% + punkrock: 0% + gr33ndrag0n: 0% It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedyAlso, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.comAll of them are from GDTPool I'll try again since you didn't reply to be above: So it's a waste of money to vote for me, even though I provide a lot for the lisk community? Including closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.walletgr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning? hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly 4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues. ... I could go on Edit: Are you friends with techbytes? I have nothing against him, but he openly stated that if people didn't like that he sold his lisk that he said was reserved for App development on Lisk then he should be unvoted. I find it interesting that you are pushing for him when he sold almost all of his lisk, but you call the people on your list the greedy ones that should be unvoted |
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