If you are anti Hamas, and if "Israël" helped to create Hamas to create casus belli to steal more palestinian lands, how can you support "Israël" ?

You were the one talking about "persian/arab empire".
I was the one telling you that Daesh attacked Hezbollah.

Racist against which race ?

So what about justifying stealing lands and killing people using religious arguments like "chosen people" and "Isaiah s prophecy" ?

Benjamin Mileikowski "Netanyahu" pushed this narrative.
He did it. It is a fact.

Oh yeah great argument. It would be difficult to say this with the first palestinian resistance who was christian, muslim, marxist and even jewish.
Oh wait a minut, this is why Israël promoted Hamas, it will be easier to steal money for christian courntries if we fight "Hamas", the perfect heel as in "WWE".

I am ashamed because the subject is serious, but you are so funny. I do not think you are an evil person or anything. Just something in your brain blocks you.


Ah, ah, ah ! (this is the french way to laugh)

• Israeli poisoned palestinian wells.
• Israeli sterilized black women without their consent.
• Israeli did everything to break all peace treaties for decades.
• Israël steals our money and blackmail our politics.
• Israël acts as a hideout for jewish criminals.
• Israël leaders are racist and religious extremists.
• Israëli lobby break the career of journalists/artists/politics critizing them.
• Israël attacked USA and tried to accuse Egypt.
• Israël has nuclear weapons and does not want to sign non-proliferation treaty
• Israël killed a lot of moderate leaders and promoted Hamas as a way to continue war.
• Israël is currently organizing a starvation campaign
• Etc, etc, etc

These are facts, not exagerations. Israël exagerates when they starve people, not me.
And you are just saying me that I cannot understand because I have never had Israeli cocks in my hole. I do not think this would help.
You are a very funny person.

The fact Hamas has been helped by "Israël" to have valid pretexts to kill and steal more lands (and other reasons) is a fact. It is not something we can debate, all people interested on the subject knows it. Some just do not want it to spread, and some want it to spread.
Your anti-muslim and anti-arabic racism is not ok with this fact, I am sorry about that but it cannot change the truth.


"Israël" has no allies. Israël has slaves (USA, France, Italy...) or enemies (Iran, China...). And slaves sometimes try to escape.

Ah, ah ! You are very funny ! I have a mental image of you with Mr Bean's face. "Shoah by words".

Well it has been merged...


I hope so. They have threatened us several times, openly, this is a fact.




They did not do it with their money ! Very funny ! Almost antisemitic ! Be careful...
It is not us. We did not do it. It is Hamas (we supported), this is a "djihadist" group (we supported), it is Pontius Pilate...
Israël never directly supported independantists in New Caledonia. Azerbaïdjan did it. And Israël is Azerbaïdjan first support.
Oh but oups, wait a min, this is from the Benjamin Mileikowski's son (family changed their European name to "Netanyahu" so we think they are hebrew)
Screw you! Yes to independence of New Caledonia! Yes to independence to French Polynesia! Yes to independence of Corsica! Yes to independence of the Basque Country! Yes to independence of French Guinea! Stop the neo imperialism of France in west Africa!
Oh thank you, "chosen one", thank you "children of light", it seems that we french are also part of the "people of darkness".

Yes.
arab source : https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-threatens-france-over-palestine-recognition
israeli source : https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-26/ty-article/.premium/netanyahus-top-ally-threatens-west-bank-annexation-if-palestinian-state-declared/00000197-0c1f-dc94-ab97-0e1f0c110000
luxemburg source : https://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/reconnaissance-de-l-etat-de-palestine-quelles-represailles-peut-on-attendre-de-la-part-d-israel-7900544009
french right wing source : https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/israel-menace-la-france-d-imposer-la-fermeture-de-son-consulat-general-a-jerusalem-20250820


Spain may boycott the World Cup if isreal is given a chance to participate, other countries are asking that Israeli clubs to be removed from European competitions so it is not good for isreal at the international level.

Yes, I know these are good news.


Why don't you speak directly to me. It looks like you are afraid.

american source : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
french source : https://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2006/02/03/quand-israel-favorisait-le-hamas-par-charles-enderlin_737642_3232.html


not "were" but "are" they still exist. They are arabian based, true. But they kill muslims and christian and never attacked "Israël".
This is a fact.

There is another fact you probably do not know.

Daesh attacked the hezbollah
source : https://www.rtl.fr/actu/international/liban-41-morts-dans-un-attentat-de-daesh-contre-un-fief-du-hezbollah-7780484445


Yes persian, arab, it is the same.
It is like saying "the chinese/japanese" empire.
Please read books.



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Israël wants to "punish" us (french) because we have recently recognized the state of Palestine.

First diplomatic sanctions. We do not give a shit, actually, the less diplomatic relations with have with "Israël", the better it is for France.

Second economic sanctions. We are already destroyed by debt interests thanks to zionist "french" politics, so we have nothing to lose.

Third terrorism. They could use zionist terrorist groups like "ISIS" to commit "false flag" attacks against France. This won't be really "false flag" because now everybody knows Daesh works for Israël.

So let s see the definition :
"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous."

I do not care about ethnicity. So people are from Morroco, some are from Ethiopia, some from Europe, some are there for centuries.
But this is an indirect form of ethnic cleansing : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel
Israël sterilized black women without their consent. This is a fact. I am totally against this.

I don't want to remove any race or any religion from any given area.

Soviet union has disappeared, russian people still exist. And russians are happier than when they were soviets. I am sure you can understand. Some people wanted soviet union to disapear, it was not ethnic cleansing, it was political.


Is that a joke ? Palestinian resist for decades, they risk/lost their lives, for their identity.
When Iran started to bomb "Israël", all "israeli"  rushed to airports like cowards, some came in France.
Iran attack was nothing compared to "israeli" atrocities.
"Israel" does not exist without US money, they use people with Down's syndrome as soldiers, they tried to use africans as soldiers.
A gay pride at Tel-Aviv and a hideout for criminal jews does not make an identity.

It is no more a project, it was probably a project before, now it is a fact. I am talking about the genocide.

About Israël poisoning palestinian well, this is also a fact.
About Israël trying to genocide palestinians by poisoning wells, that does not exist, I have never talked about this.
About the question why Israël did poisoned palestinian wells, I have my opinion, but this is just an opinion. I do not think the goal was to genocide palestinians at this time with this particular act.

This is why, when you wrote this :
I did not understand where you were going.

But "Israël" did poison palestinian wells, even if this truth does not please you.

So you lie more and more. Where did I wrote that "Hamas and other arabian extremists are just palestinians ?
Just quote me and answser instead of lying.

My subject was not so much Hamas. I talked about Hamas only to say this group exist only since the 80s and has been helped by Israël to provide good pretext to continue to kill palestinians.
This is also a fact very well knowned all over the world : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/


One more lie.
Where did I talk about anyone to convert to Islam ?
People have the right to be jews or christians or muslims or jedi, or atheists, this is not my problem.
Quote me and answer as I do, instead of lying.


I am afraid I cannot seriously believe that.
When you look at what Israël does since the 40s, you cannot seriously think they want that.
And this is more and more difficult to believe that when you look at what they do and you hear at what they say.

The thing is when Netanyahu says "we are people of light and they are people of darkness" you understand "I want peace and co-existance".
When I say "Israël poisoned palestinian wells" you understand "Israël waned to do a well poison genocide".
When I say "I want israeli to become palestinians or to go back in Europe" you understand" I want israeli to convert to Islam".

This is what you say.
The facts are Israël are the ones killing, raping, torturing children, poisoning wells, force sterilizing, trafficking organs, doing false flag terrorism to provoke a war, helping Hamas, helping Daesh, helping islamists also in Syria, blackmailing western politics, etc.
This is why I think we should end with Israël.

I also avoided to talk about Mr Bean. Just because this is not the subject. If you have any questions about Hamas, we can talk about. I have no taboo.

I have nothing against palestinians but I do not specially want to "advocate for palestinians".
Because "Israël" terrorism does not concern only palestinians. Syrians, Irakians, Libyans, Lebanese, Iranians, Egyptians, Qataris, Yemenites, etc, are also direct victims.
Even israelis are direct victims.
Also citizens of USA are indirect victims of "Israël", they pay a lot of money to send it to Israël so they kill more palestinians.
Also Europe is indirect victim of "Israël", with pro-Israël lobbies pushing us to wars we have no interest in.
And recently Netanyahu openly threatened us french, just to recongnize the existence of Palestine.

So if I want the end of Israël, this is not only for Palestine, but for peace in the world.

Israël shot first.
Israël shot fist, it is a fact.
Iran replied.
Iran accepted UN inspectors for nuclear weapons, Israël refused.
Iran signed the non-proliferation treaty for nuclear weapons, Israël did not.
And it was another occasion to see racism from israeli people because when Iran replied, they refused arabs in their shelter. Disgusting. But it is another fact.

I am not backing out of Israël commiting atrocities, ethnic cleanse and genocide.
This is not my claim, this is a fact, so I cannot deny this.
The same way I cannot deny Israël stole lands, Israëli soldiers raped, slaughtered, etc. These are facts.
The same way I cannot deny Israël poisoned palestinian wells.

But the "well poison genocide", I have not heard about this and I have never written anything about this.
So when you write this :

My question, is for the third time : where did I talk about a well poison genocide ?


I am not suggesting mass atrocity, ethnic cleanse, mass mutilsation, etc.
These are facts. Israël did this.
We can debate about why did they do this.
We can debate about are there the only one in the world to do this.
But these are facts well knowned and documented all over the world.

I talked about the genocide.
In another sentence, I talked about the fact Israël poisoned wells.
This is what you are showing in red.
Where did I talk about a well poison genocide ? This is my question.

Can you just show me where I was talking about a well poison genocide ?

C'est à se demander s'il ne vaut pas mieux faire une "Charlie Kirk", chier sur Israël un bon coup, quitte à se faire fusiller, que partir comme Bigard dans une mort lente et peu glorieuse.

Again it is a fact, you can avoid denying, by flooding with a lot of details, it does not change the fact that Israël poisoned palestinian wells.


Yes maybe. Maybe the palestinians children asked israeli soldiers to electrify their genitals. Maybe.
And maybe Netanyahu was talking about "people of light fighting people of darkness" he wanted to say "it is very complicated, let's stay open mind to both sides".
And maybe when Netanyahu was talking about "Isaiah's prophecy", what he wanted to say "we want peace, and reason over beliefs"
And maybe when Galant was talking about "human animals" he just wanted to promote the furry style in Gaza.
And maybe palestinians poisoned their own wells and drink just after just for fun. Maybe.

Thank you for you very open minded and not oriented at all opinions.

But the facts are :
Israël sterilized women without her consent.
Israeli soldiers stealed organs from dead (or alive) palestinians.
Israëli settlers steal palestinian homes and kill palestinians.
Israël is a hideout for a lot of jewish criminals.
Israeli leaders are openly and obviously racist.
Israël poisoned palestinian wells.
Etc, etc.

We cannot continue to discuss if you do not recognize obvious facts and call it "bullshit".
I do not see any response to these facts except either denying or avoiding very cowardly.

I am affraid this does not work.
We have to much testimonies from a lot of different sources showing tortures on palestinian prisoners, including children, including genitals electrified.
We have to much testimonies from a lot of different sources to avoid admitting that some israeli soldiers headshot palestinian children for fun.
You can not just say all the organizations, journalists (even israeli journalists), even some israeli soldiers, reporting this is just "crap".


Wait a minute ! So this is exaggerated, to your opinion, not a bullshit. You know the difference right ?
Ok, then let's see if it is exaggerated.
https://youtu.be/wI3RAah0kxk?si=owd3mhgl3oVlvoC1
"people of the light / people of darkness"
This is very funny. Because you were the one talking about "complexity", and what we can hear right now from Netanyahu is the most binary possible view of the conflict.
If you were an atheist brit, you would find this at least a bit too black-and-white thinking, no ? But no, this is Netanyahu, so you cannot criticize.

Ok let's continue.
"A profound believe of the eternity of the jewish people"
Wow. Eternity. It is more than a lot of time.
I don't think that this profound believe is compatible with the view of a british atheist.

Oh yes, very atheist, definitely.

I am affraid I am not totally sure, he is saying that.
I think if he wanted to say this, there would be some easy ways.
Like for example just saying "violence will end and peace will come". No ?

No they killed palestinians, tortured them and stole their land for decades and they are currently doing it right now, while I am writing this message.
This is a fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvf9bpqL4KM

Just open your eyes.

What else do you want to admit, they do not coexist and socialize, but killing and stealing palestinian lands and house ?
I can bring you a video of a settler who explains that yes he does this, how does he do this, etc ?
Will this help ?


This is a fact, Israël poisoned palestinians wells. It is sure, we have document.
https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/3932421/documents-reveal-israeli-army-poisoned-water-wells-palestinian-towns-during

What can I do ? May be an israeli source :
haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-14/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/documents-confirm-israelis-poisoned-arab-wells-in-1948/00000183-d2b2-d8cc-afc7-fefed64d0000

Or wikipedia source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

Will you say this is all antisemitic "crap" ?

No the reason is there are FACTS that you do not want to talk about because you are happy with the genocide.

You are the one seeing Hamas as the absolute evil coming from nowhere, do not talk about complexity. You are showing a lot of stupidity, double standard and racism in your messages.


This is why we should focus on facts.
For example :
_ Children tortured in jail by Israël is a fact.
_ Religious references from Netanyahu is a fact "prophecy of Isaiah..", is a fact. Not a narrative, a fact.
_ The genocide from Israël, the starvation campaign from Israël, is a fact
_ the land stealing even in Cisjordania,, for decades, where Hamas is not present, these are facts.
_ Has Israël poisoned water well, or is this just antisemitic fake news ? This answer is YES, Israël poisoned water wells. This is another FACT.

I can give you tons of other facts like this, tons of other facts justifying my position that is to definitely stop with Israël.

Yes write a very long message pointing random details, but you absolutely avoid to answer avbout very clear proofs of sexual abuse on civilians, tortures...
The way your brain is working is very strange.
Your thing with "bechayot bechayot", "legally, legally", when I am just showing you that they are obviously and openly racist, this is their way to think.
A british atheist is not supposed to think like that.

How could you avoid this ?

I will give you more.

Israeli snipers shooting children like a game : https://www.arabnews.jp/en/middle-east/article_151834/
A brit surgeon is saying this. I do not know if he is an atheist.

Again a US sugeon : https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/t%C3%AAte-%C3%A0-t%C3%AAte/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea
Israeli soldiers headshot children.

What will you answer ? That it was not the head but the neck ?

Human rights watch : Israeli soldiers targetting children
https://humantiproject.org/email-template/israel-is-targeting-children-using-snipers/

Again two palestinian children shot in the back :
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/22/two-children-killed-in-occupied-west-bank-as-israel-steps-up-sweeping-raids

So is it all antisemitic fake news, right ?

IDF kills palestinians since the 40s.
Hamas has been created, and once again PROMOTED BY ISRAEL, in the 80s.

You definitely missed something...

Israël is, and it is impossible to deny, currently organizing a starvation, an ethnic cleansing, and a large majority of israelis is currently bragging and happy of this.
https://youtu.be/4jfsqzoApnU?si=JXe_Hc6pbxY5dS8D

I said "rats", it was "snakes", this is hat I admit.
And you, what do you have to admit ?
As a british atheist, you should be able to criticize yourself. You are not from any kind of "people of light" or "chosen people", right ?

Try to prove me that.
For the moment what I see is crazy racists talmudists kiling people, raping people, stealing lands and justifying it with "Our God wants this".
I gave you facts proofs, for organ traficking, false flags, forced sterilisations, etc.

What do you want ?
Sexual abuse : https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/-worse-than-abu-ghraib-palestinian-lawyer-details-sexual-torture-of-gaza-prisoners-in-israeli-jails/3645399
Oh no, this may be ? https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-play-with-gaza-womens-underwear-online-posts-2024-03-28/  
Chosen people....
Oh no maybe this : https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz04m913m49o  talkie walkies explosions, very noble, very "people of light", civilians lost their hands, great.

Do you want more ?

"Israël must be destroyed" does not mean "genocide Israelis".
As I have written in my last message you definitely have not read, I want israeli to become palestinians or to go back in Europe if the idea to live equally with muslims and christians "arabs" is to hard for them.

This is the proof you definitely have a problem in your brain.


Yes and Ayelet said "snakes", not "rats". I wrote "rats", my bad.
But this is not really the problem.
The problem is they are openly and obviously racist. And you deny this in a very ridiculous way.

Unfortunately not.
The wanted destruction of "Israël" but they removed this from their chart, this is a shame.
This is one of the reason why I do not support Hamas, they do not want anymore "Israël" to be destroyed.
Of course Israël must be destroyed.



We tried, peace and co-existence with "Israël".
They only continued to steal more and more palestinian lands, killing more and more palestinians, supporting the most extremist possible enemies like Hamas to justify more violence.
We have enough facts to want the end of "Israël" of course.
I want the end of "Israël", Israeli should either become palestinian and live in peace with other christians/musulims/jews (or atheists) or go back to Europe.

Unfortunately, Hamas does not want the end of Israël, and this is a shame.


Israël kill torture rape people for decades, Israël attacked USA and tried to accuse Egypt to provoke a war.
https://therealnews.com/panel0625libertypt2?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=16619055571&gbraid=0AAAAAD6zHoDH5ctrwAY_huL7lVdiDpOuH&gclid=Cj0KCQjw267GBhCSARIsAOjVJ4Ga1RJUBIATST71WwPAL0hnkbyteTaHwzda0Tip0lBDT53n42V5QaUaAomeEALw_wcB
Israël is a hideout for a lot of jewish criminals.
Israël is obviously and openly racist.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel
Israël and organ trafficking
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-178236/
etc, etc, etc.

And more recently Israël provoked a starvation, this is a fact.
Or maybe there is an "antisemitic plot" in UN ?

Of course we should end "Israël" as soon as possible.


What war are you talking about ? If there is a war between idf and Hamas, then Hamas is an army ?
So if Hamas is an army, there are no "hostages", there are prisoners. There are war conventions, if it is a war.
And organizing a starvation, as Israël does, is against those conventions.

I do not see any war. I see crazy people thinking they are "people of light", taking pictures, organizing boat cruises to see other people they think to be "people of darkness" starving and dying.


Not Hamas, palestinians. Even in Cisjordania where Hamas does not exist. They kill them, steal their lands and brag in social networks about this.
Hamas only exist since the 80s to create a pretext for israeli to kill more.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

You did not answer about Netanyahu talking about Isaiah's prophecy.
Of course you did not. Because it destroys you affirmation that this is not linked to religion. It is totally.


You are lying.

Why an "atheist brit" has to lie about israël ?
Galant has called palestinian human animals to justify to shut down electricity and water support.
https://globalrightscompliance.org/there-will-be-no-electricity-no-food-no-water-no-fuel-everything-will-be-closed-the-unlawful-siege-and-starvation-of-civilians-in-gaza/

This is well knowned. So obvous lie ?


You are a liar.

These are the exact terms :

Not "Hamas". Palestinians, mothers and children.
But she more honest than you are. She is racist and she knows it. You are but you deny it.


I do not agree with israelis being called pigs or dogs.
I have never seen a dog destroying some aid in order to support a starvation campaign. Israeli did it.
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/8/6/israeli-settlers-block-gaza-bound-aid-trucks
I have never seen a pig going on a cruise to see people bombing as a show, israeli did it.
https://www.revolutionpermanente.fr/Croisieres-macabres-des-colons-israeliens-organisent-des-excursions-a-Gaza-pour-assister-au

I am very sorry for dogs and pigs to be compared to israelis.

You have just answer to the question "do you think there is/was/wiil be a people of light ?"
Your answer is "no". It is clear. I understand.

But my question is : what is your position about Netanyahu saying he is a part of the "people of light" fighting the "people of darkness" ?

What is your position about Galant calling palestinians "human animals" ?

What is your position about Ayelet Shaked calling palestinian "rats" ?

If Hamas would have called israeli or jews "rats", of course they did not, even if they have been created on that purpose, I am sure I would not have to ask you these questions so many times.

You do not clarify anything. You avoid the subject. This is crazy !


Netanyahu said we are "the people of light" they (palestinians) are "the people of darkness"

What is your position about this as a british atheist ?

Yoav Galant talked about palestinian as "human animals"

What is your position about this as a british atheist ?

Netanyahu talked about "Isaiah prophecy"

What is your position about this as a british atheist ?

Very easy questions. Just answer. Easy.