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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitShares Music + PeerTracks (Pre-sale launch) on: October 20, 2014, 08:28:57 PM
i'm a music producer/recording artist.  

trying to understand this, but I'm not convinced this would actually generate any significant amount of revenue.  I don't see how you're going to attract the large amounts of artists and fans who would be necessary to allow this ecosystem survive.  

I like the innovation, even if I'm still not totally clear on it, but it seems to me that what you're really building here, blockchains aside, is a social network.  so for that you really need to sell us on the marketing strategy.


Have you read the non-technical paper?
Can you tell me your exact concerns?

It's all about aligning incentives. Artists are coming to us, we don't need to go to them.

That being said, we ARE going to them anyway haha. A lot we can't disclosure yet.

2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / PeerTracks on Bitcoins and Gravy episode 38 on: October 20, 2014, 05:42:17 PM
Have a listen!

I hope this clears up the project a bit more.

https://soundcloud.com/bitcoins-and-gravy/bitcoins-and-gravy-episode-38-bitshares-music-foundation


www.peertracks.com
www.bitsharesmusicfoundation.org
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notes Value on: October 20, 2014, 05:25:10 PM

Notes are also the collateral for the BitUSDs used to purchase music, merch and whatever else the artist will decide to sell from the sites plugged into the Music blockchain. The more BitUSD are in existence, the more collateral is needed (demand for Notes = price rise)


Could you explain this in more detail, please? This seems to be the main way that notes are meant to gain value but I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around what you mean. Say I'm a merchant selling Foo Fighters t-shirts on the blockchain. Do I need to purchase notes to do so?


Notes are not really traded around to purchase anything. Just like you don't see many people buying bananas with APPL shares.

Notes are the units of the BitShares Music blockchain and are used to collateralize what IS being traded around, BitAssets like BitUSD.
BitUSD's value is market pegged to the real world USD's value. Allowing for all the advantages of crypto without being exposed to the volatility. The mainstream masses will be using BitUSD to buy merch, music, concert tickets, etc, without having to worry about having financial trading skills.

Traders on the otherhand! Will probably want to play the markets on BTER, Cryptsy, BTC38, you name em. Notes are a regular crypto, volatile and all. So day traders can have fun with them!

NOTE value is determined by supply and demand. When more people use BitUSD, more collateral is required, meaning demand increases for NOTEs. Notes are also burned as transaction fees, registration fees and user issued asset creation fees (reducing supply)

That's how Notes themselves have value.

Check out the Podcast Robrigo just shared, should clear up a lot of questions you might have.

4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitShares Music + PeerTracks (Pre-sale launch) on: October 11, 2014, 11:59:30 PM
Im a music producer.

You should be able to tell me this idea in a few sentences.
OK.
A platform that allows users to send money directly to the bands/artists. No middleman, reduced costs.
Incentivized fanbase. Turning passive listeners into active promoters and talent scouts.
We have tied price discovery with talent discovery.

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If I cant figure it out, and I'm in the industry how the hell is someone from the public going to? Its not that theres anything bad. I just dont see where the focus for mass adoption is.
Fully agree sir!
For the next 60 days we are not interested in mass adoption.. AT ALL.
The only "important" people right now are people that have crypto-currencies and that can claim their stake in the DAC by sending it to our pre-sale btc address.
Our only focus right now is the crypto-community. They understand blockchain crowdfunding. We will not waste any funds on marketing outside this circle.

Now when the product approaches completion, THAT'S when you will see mainstream advertising campaigns.

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I also feel you have it the wrong way around. THE PROBLEM with the music industry now is there is no filter down money effect. It now stays at the top. Masses of small, niche, and indie artists wont see a royalty check worth a damn ever. They are where your focus should be first. Getting them on board (which wouldnt be that hard) would then get their fanbases involved etc.

Well we are in luck, cuz that's exactly what this DAC + site intends to do.

eliminate most middle men.
No more itunes fees, credit card costs, etc.
transparant ledger (very useful for paying out or receiving royalties)

And we have a way for the small guy to get discovered. spending hours looking for new music is no longer a "waste of time". It is now a puductive income producing activity or an investmnet you could say.
We are turning the users into incentivized talent scouts. Once they discover a potentially good band, they have massive incentive to share around this kid's music and hope he becomes a star.

And btw we haven't even touched the Token Controlled Access features this platform allows.

Basically, everyone will be on equal ground. You will see the rebirth of the musical middle class ^^
Not only poor artists OR millionaire superstars. You will get everything in between since money goes directly from consumer to band. No middleman. and promoters are now done via P2P incentives.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / BitShares Music + PeerTracks (Pre-sale launch) on: October 10, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
Alright everyone. It’s official!

The BitShares Music Foundation launched it’s pre-sale from the Inside Bitcoin conference in Las Vegas.

www.bitsharesmusicfoundation.org and www.peertracks.com

Non-technical paper here: http://bitshares.org/papers/music/btsmusic-peertracks-non-technical-paper.pdf

Let’s start with a TL;DR shall we?!

The BitShares Music blockchain is a Decentralized Autonomous Company (DAC) that runs off of Delegated Proof Of Stake (DPOS) Each unit of this DAC is called a NOTE.

PeerTracks is the first front end website/app that will plug into and read the blockchain.
This site will allow artist to:
create their profile
upload their music
set their own prices
And if they want,
issue out their own Artistcoins

Artistcoins are user issued assets
The artist can sell (or give) them to his fans in order to fund his career. The artistcoin is tied to that artists sales (ON blockchain sales only). Meaning “Snoopcoin” can go up in value when he sells a lot of songs, albums, merch, tickets from PeerTracks (or any other future front end site that decides to plug into the BitShares Music blockchain) etc. The artist can also bring value to his coins by offering different perks or benefits to his coinholders whether it’s through hardcoded token controlled access or from him just tweeting to his fans “Anyone with 200+ Snoopcoins get in the show for free, anyone with over 500 can hang out backstage after the show”

From a user’s perspective
Creates an account
Stream or purchase music you like using BitUSD, a non-volatile crypto-currency (BitAsset). Know your funds are going directly from your wallet to the artist’s wallet. No middle man. PeerTracks does not hold any funds, it’s all done directly on blockchain. Find artists you think have potential and buy their coin
See that coin's value rise or fall depending on:
-sales generated by that artist on the site
-perks offered to that artist’s coinholders

Notice that the user's of this DAC do not have to know what a blockchain is, nor do they EVER see a private or public key.


Now if you do not care for music but you see value in a decentralized music industry and would like to be a part of it, you can get yourself some Notes.
Notes are the unit of this blockchain.
This blockchain makes revenue from fees.
-transaction fees
-the fee when someone registers their username
-the fee when an artist initially creates his artistcoins

Those fee are destroyed (proof of burn) essentially returning that stake to each Note holder.
So if you own 1% of all Notes, after a year of burned fees, you might now own 1.1% of the network’s worth.

Keep in mind that Notes are also votes. You can vote for or against whichever delegate you desire. Contrast this with Bitcoin (try booting a mining pool out of power!)

Notes are also the collateral for the BitUSDs used to purchase music, merch and whatever else the artist will decide to sell from the sites plugged into the Music blockchain. The more BitUSD are in existence, the more collateral is needed (demand for Notes = price rise)

For more information, check out:
www.bitsharesmusicfoundation.org
and
www.peertracks.com

You can also check out the non-technical paper here: http://bitshares.org/papers/music/btsmusic-peertracks-non-technical-paper.pdf

Please feel free to ask any questions!
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Getting customers to buy w/ credit card and merchant receiving BTC? on: May 09, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
makes sense.

Is there a way for non bitcoin owners to buy from an only btc accepting shop?


This how great it would be to have a mobile online store, not attached to any country, revenue agency, tax code, and just sell stuff and get paid in btc. BUT being able to market to the entire planet. Not just the few crypto nerds d:

The dude that figures out how to do this with a "buy now button" is going to make btc realllllyyy take off.
7  Other / Beginners & Help / Getting customers to buy w/ credit card and merchant receiving BTC? on: May 06, 2013, 02:13:00 AM
As an online merchant, it's awesome that customers can pay with visa and it goes directly to my paypal account without the customer even knowing what paypal is.

Is there a service like this for Bitcoin?

I'd like to sell stuff online, have the customer check out with his credit card and receive untraceable BTC.


Does anything like that exist? It would reallllyy suck if my customers had to own bitcoins in order to buy my stuff. That would reduce my clientele to about nil haha.


Thanks.
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