This is for the idiot who just posted complete nonsense and lies.

The class action lawsuit would be a legitimate one started by the lawyer who represented us in court. The same one that had the coins declared property and held in trust. Who ever said it would be shady you fucking moron.

Secondly you just fabricated words that I never said. Only a lowlife degenerate responds to a fabricated sentence he claims I said. You must like fabricating lies about what people have said and then responding to your own lies. You're pond scum. Don't ever respond to anything I've ever said you low iq hillbilly.

This is the same idiot who posted 50 pages of worthless information that could be found easily on the internet and condensed into one page. You wonder why crypto attracts so many fucking scumbags like these two circus idiots

What can I do you lowlife scum. I'd join a class action lawsuit if they start one. I don't live in NZ like you do you useless coward. Go have a talk with them since you live close by you spineless imbecilic. You're too scared to do anything. The only time a little bitch like you acts tough is on the internet.  Little bitch living in his parents basement. Go do something you useless fuck.

These New Zealand sheep herders need to force Grant Thornton to give us back our coins or remove them as liquidators

We need bigger exchanges! The market is about to explode and we wont see Sumos price go up unless we get on exchanges with decent volume. At the very least we should be on an exchange like Kucoin.

It doesn't look like we're getting our coins back at all. Even if we pass the verification and kyc they still need to update the wallets code. You cannot withdraw coins from wallets using outdated code. The withdrawals won't go through.

The New Zealand courts are ill equipped to deal with these kind of cases because the judges know next to nothing about how the crypto currency industry works.

They'll allow these Grant Thornton scammers to make the verification and kyc extremely hard. Then they'll allow the Grant Thornton scammers to keep the old wallets code.  

The scammers will then claim that the users never withdrew their coins even though they know its impossible to withdraw coins from a wallet using outdated code. They'll then apply to the courts to keep the coins and pocket the money.

We can finally get back our coins from the cryptopia hack. Has any of the sumo developers been contacted by the liquidators to make sure the old wallets they were using are updated?

 I can't withdraw my sumo from the liquidator until their wallets are updated.  What links can I give them to make sure they can update the wallets ?

They're making the verification process next to impossible. They notify you using the email you signed up with and you need to remember your username. You also need to know your last transaction and when you signed up.

Who remembers all that. Then you have to pass a very strict KYC. They want your full name with ID and bank information as well as a detailed transaction history. How would anyone know all of this information

They're doing it on purpose so nobody claims they're coins and they can steal them and sell them off for profits. They'll tell the judge that the users never claimed their coins when they know we couldn't because they made it nearly impossible to claim them.

To make it worse I'll bet they have not contacted any of the developers to make sure the wallets are updated. You cannot withdraw coins from a wallet using out of date software. These clowns at Grant Thornton are pure thieves and criminals and the New Zealand court will allow it to happen.

This coin is down to 28 sats. It'll probably hit 1 sat. The problem is lowlifes like Charles Nader are very common in this industry. Just unscrupulous scum that swindle people out of their money.

This pile of shit has now sunk to 45 sats. There is no bottom for a steaming pile of shit coin with no future. This coin is done and finished. Only you filthy scammers are the one thinking it will ever pump again. The coins finished.

What a total joke of a coin. That scum bag Charles Nader should be put in jail for being the piece of shit scum that he is. Conning people into thinking this coin has a future. Some kind of telemedicine bullshit that will never happen. These mother fuckers have a low level amateurish website and absolutely no working product. Just fucking scammers and degenerates.

Will this coin be sitting at 50 sats a year from now. It doesn't ever move .

Shut the fuck up you troll. The  lawyers would only take a small percentage like 1% of the total.  I want my coins quickly not 100 years from now.  My coins are worth thousands right now not $100 you moron.  

Time is money in these markets you mother fucking retard. Since when would anyone pay them out their own pockets. They work on a very small percentage basis. You have no argument. You're just a fucking troll with dumb stupid comments.

The judge has to set a firm date when our coins will be given back or this will continue for 100 years. They'll just keep posting copy and paste updates while charging fees to do nothing.

We need lawyers appointed that will force the judge to set a firm date or else they get removed as liquidators

With the Quadriga exit scam the lawyers here in Canada had to track down all that money because at first there was zero money found. The former owner had funneled users coins into other exchanges and was margin trading with them. He lost a lot of users money with bad trades.

He then bought 16 houses and around 20 cars and boats with users money. They were able to track those assets down and auction them off.  

When lawyers know they are getting a percentage of the recovered assets they're like great white sharks attacking a wounded porpoise. That is why we need lawyers that will go after our coins and not just wait like idiots for these scammers to give us back our coins.

If the Quadriga lawyers could get back 45 million usd fairly quickly, while having to track down those assets all over the map, good lawyers for Cryptopia users could get back our assets a lot faster because there's nothing to track down.

I would bet that within the next several months the Quadriga lawyers will have recovered 100 million usd of the 192 million lost starting from zero assets.  It would very hard for them to get back everything because they started from scratch.

The Quadriga owner was the only with with the keys to the wallets. He was running the whole exchange, worth hundreds of millions, from his laptop. No oversight or safety precautions at all.

I suspect that only a few of the top Cryptopia executives had access to the cold wallets, so therefor the police should have been able to narrow down the possible perpetrators to a handful of people.

The Quadriga exit scam happened a month before the Cryptopia exit scam. The users there must have agreed to pay a  fee to hire lawyers. I doubt the lawyers were getting paid up front by a group of customers out of their own wallets. More than likely the lawyers agreed to take a percentage out of the amount recovered.

 So far with that Quadriga case the users lost 192 million usd and they have recovered 45 million usd.  I'm assuming their lawyers maybe get something like 10% of whatever they can recover.  I'm only guessing at that amount. Obviously when the lawyers get paid a percentage of a large sum of money then there will be an incentive to recover as much as they possibly can both for the customers and for the lawyers.

I would assume the same thing would happen if the Cryptopia customers agreed to hire some lawyers . They would work on a percentage fee of the total amount recovered.  Since 90% of the coins are in the wallets then the Cryptopia lawyers would get a much smaller percentage than the Quadriga lawyers. Lets says we give them 2%. That's still probably around 4 million for the lawyers.

That 2% price we would pay to our laywers would be a small price to pay because we would get our coins backs in months not years and we be assured the lawyers would recover as much as possibly and a minimal amount of our coins would be stolen by the Cryptopia owners and Grant Thornton.

In a hot crypto market you can make that 2% back in no time at all. The longer these idiots take to give us back our coins the more money they cost investors because a good investor can use their coins to increase their stack quickly.

What makes zero sense is that Cryptopia was allowed to operate while they knew they were insolvent and taking customer deposits for months before they shut down.

Then they hired their friends to be liquidators, Grant Thornton,  which we know is true based on factual evidence. To make it worse they used customers money to pay for their liquidator friends to try and steal as much as they could from the customers.

It would be like hiring a thief and paying the thief a lot of money to steal as much as they can from your own house. Cryptopias owners had no right to hire their own personal friends as liquidators and then use customers money to pay them 1 million dollars to sell a few chairs and computers.

There doesn't need to be anymore guidance. Those idiots at Grant Thornton have had enough guidance. They need to start securing the coins and contacting developers to make sure the wallets binaries are updated. They need to contact coin holders and allow us to log in, upload kyc documents, and withdraw our coins.

Cryptopia was insolvent before the hack happened. They pulled off the hack on purpose and stayed opened for months pretending to be opening up again, all the while taking in customers deposits. Those idiots that were in charge of Cryptopia should be arrested and put into jail for illegally keeping an exchange open while they knew long before that they were insolvent.

I want to see customers lawyers start filing lawsuits because Grant Thornton will keep seeking guidance from the nz court for the next 50 years until they are forced to allow customers to withdraw their coins. Those assholes have not answered any customers emails or given us any details about what is happening with our coins.

It's unbelievable that Cryptopia and Grant Thornton haven't been sued or charged with major crimes.  In Canada Quadriga lost almost all of their coins and lawyers are suing the daylights out of Quadriga.

Cryptopia lost at most 10% of the coins, which means over 90% of the coins are still sitting in the wallets, and the judge declared the coins property and held in separate trusts, yet nothing is happening.

This is not Mt Gox that lost everything in a hack or Quadriga who lost almost everything. These assholes are deliberately taking their time trying to figure out how to scam us.

 I would hope our lawyer, that argued on behalf of the clients, doesn't think his job is finished. He must petition the court to force Grant Thornton to return the coins quickly and force a copy of the database to be given to the court.

Think about the nightmare scenario where the Grant Thornton lowlifes start erasing people from the database and claiming they didn't want their coins. Then they just try to claim ownership over those supposed unwanted coins.  Whose making sure the database isn't tampered with ?

The users and there coin balances are grouped into the same row in the database. What matching are you even talking about. The data is constructed of rows and columns. Each column represents a certain attribute like  USER NAME ..EMAIL ADDRESS..COIN BALANCE.. TIME YOU JOINED.  Each row has the actual values .

We're not living in the caveman ages. We have sql databases for a reason. We can use sql programming languages with them to perform computations quickly. This means constructing a simple sql command to add up how much the users own for each coin in the database, then comparing it with the coins wallets.

This command would be very simple and could be used over and over again for each coin.

We also don't have to manually email everyone. We are not Neanderthals. We have scripting languages that can perform complex tasks like emailing everyone in the database and giving them temporary usernames and password.

We also don't have to manually check the kyc. We have AI systems that use facial recognition software that can compare a pic with a sign you hold to a driver license pic and if they match you pass the kyc.

Nothing has to be done manually. Any computer can perform these tasks very quickly. Stop thinking we live in 1000 BC and we still light fires with stones and drag women around by there locks. This is a very simple operation and Grant Thornton is purposely stalling to try and steal the coins.

There should be a court appointed judicial officer that has a copy of the database and a count of how many coins are in each wallet.

This is to make sure Grant Thornton doesn't start tampering with the database or stealing coins out of the wallets. Right now were putting complete trust in a shady liquidator that hasn't done a damn thing in 12 months since they were appointed.

This is to make sure that Grant Thornton emails everyone in the database and if they don't then you should be able to complain to the court appointed judicial officer.

The NZ judge that decided in our favor should then set a strict time limit on how long Grant Thornton has to get the coins back to their rightful owners. Otherwise this will drag out for years and we still won't get back our coins.

The lawyer for the customers that won our case should continue to seek to get these things approved by the court so we can get some definitive time frame of when this thing will wrap up

We won the case, the coins are property, and individual trusts were established. There is zero chance we don't get out coins. Those idiots at Cryptopia and Grant Thornton cannot touch our coins, and if they do they will be put in jail like the scum they are.

1) You inbred scum I've lost a few thousand dollars not $10. Nice try bending the truth and exaggerating to make it seem like I lost a minimal amount and therefor something I shouldn't pursue. Your tactics are so trivial and amateurish it's cringe worthy. Moron tactics. Exaggerate the facts so it makes it seem like the person has nothing worth pursuing.

2) You even admit you've used them to do auditing work for you so you have a connection with them and even like them. Nobody is that stupid to actually admit that unless they have an iq the size of a walnut.

Admitting you have previous work with them and are even friends with them? Your biased is disgusting. You might as well admit you share the same hookers and both come from the same family line of inbred family members. The bond is strong between you and Grant Thornton isn't it.

3) Doing a single audit for some low life trailer trash hillbilly is not the same as auditing a heist worth millions of dollars. The few dollars you made fucking dogs assholes for the private freak shows you hold doesn't equate to auditing a huge company worth a couple hundred million. You are one of the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet.

4) Three feeble links I've posted? That's just the first links that came up on google. There are many more links you imbecile. Are you that stupid to think that those are the only links out there showing Grant Thornton's criminal behavior.

Furthermore ,you idiot, there are only a few grant Thornton employees handling the case so it is always rogue employees who do the theft not the whole company. Do you think when it comes to embezzlement it would involve the whole company. It would only ever be a couple employees directly involved in the case. Your logic is so bad and pathetic that I think you have mental retardation.

The facts are very clear. They haven't done a damn thing besides sell a few fucking chairs and computers and charge a million for it you moron!!!!!!!

Name one thing they've accomplished in the 15 months since the hack happened. Name one. You can't because they haven't done anything. They haven't secured the wallets. They haven't updated binaries or contacted any of the developers. They haven't compared the database with the wallets. What have they done besides sell some chairs and computers.

Now let me guess where you got your training from.

Sucking your cave mothers saggy pancake tits when you were young while she you gave you stories about your inbred ancestors. Those old saggy nipples that hang to her knees and allow you to suckle her from the floor without even having to get on her lap. You can lie on your back while she bends over slightly to engage those old flap jacks for her inbred offspring. I guess the saying goes mamma knows best.

The ancient practice your inbred family showed you out on the farm chasing goats and giving them the anal treatment you and your family have enjoyed for centuries?

Maybe you got your education from grade school where you were bullied and thrown into garbage cans upside down because of the pathetic sickly little weakling you are. Did that teach you to be an internet rambo and pretend to be knowledgeable.

You have the knowledge level of a chimpanzee. So come with facts to back up your pathetic weak assertions or else get the fuck out of here and stop posting your meaningless worthless nonsense.

I have facts to back up my claims. You have nothing but grade school taunts, which seems to be a thing with you inbred New Zealanders , because you sound like that other idiot cryptomaster with your low level illiterate command of the language and your grade school taunts trying to divert attention away from facts and get into mudslinging.

Let them do their jobs. That is one of the dumbest things said on here. They haven't done their jobs you idiot. That's the problem. They have secured the wallets. They haven't updated binaries. They haven't compared the database with whats in the wallets. The police haven't found out who committed the hack and haven't arrested anyone. You stupid low iq moron. That's the problem. They haven't done there fucking jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as Grant Thornton stealing funds they have a long history of criminal activity.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-grantthornton-theft/ex-grant-thornton-partner-gets-four-and-a-half-years-for-4-million-theft-idUSBREA2B1QG20140312

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB107300032672672400

https://www.ft.com/content/b96aa256-f775-11e2-a618-00144feabdc0