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So, letzter Stand nach einem langen Telefonat mit Leipzig:
Die angegebenen Gründe für eine Verweigerung des Imports sind:
a) Keine europäische postalische Anschrift von Bitmain auf dem Gerät (halter ich für legal nicht korrekt, auf x anderen Geräten die aus China kommen sind auch keine europäischen Adressen aufgedruck)
b) Warnhinweise auf dem Gerät nicht in deutscher Sprache
c) missbräuchliche Anbringung des CE Kennzeichens und missbräuchliches Durchführen des Low Voltage Device (LVD) tests. Dieser letzte Punkt ist interessant - laut CE Vorschriften braucht es den CE Test nur bei Geräten > 50/70 Volt. Somit hat Bitmain eigentlich "zu viel" gemacht, und dies wird nun als Grund angegeben, den Import zu verweigern?
Wir sind dabei, die Haltung der anderen Marktüberwachungsbehörden in Deutschland zu hinterfragen, um etwaige Diskrepanzen mit Leipzig herauszuarbeiten.
Sollten sich hier Diskrepanzen herausstellen, werden unsere Rechtsanwälte die Sache genauer untersuchen.
Sollte die deutsche Press (Hallo Heise ?) Interesse an diesem Thema (eventuelle Willkür beim Import von Crypto Mining Geräten nach Deutschland) haben, stehen wir gerne zur Verfügung.
Key learning momentan:
KEINE Bestellungen via DHL von Bitmain nach Deutschland, da DHL standardmässig die Leipziger Marktüberwachung nutzt.
Im Zweifel Import über ein anderes EU Land, oder z.B. die Schweiz.
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Statement of reasons from the official authorities in Leipzig, Germany: a) no Bitmain european postal address printed on the device b) warning notes on the device not in German language c) CE sign and test certificate for Low voltage devices is not applicable, by that falsified CE sticker (this one impresses me ... Bitmain overperform by making sure they even do the LVP test, and get punished for it ?) We are clarifying with the official authorities in different states in Germany (expecting different statements than the one from Leipzig) , as well as we handed the whole topic to our lawyers. On this at the moment. Seems like the responsible government agency in Germany does list the following as a reason: - missing or wrong CE sticker - CE indication wrong or misleading - not fulfilling 2001/95/EG standards I am totally lost on where to find the issue here - and can't imagine Bitmain trying to ship hundreds of these ASICS to the EU, well knowing they will get sent back or destroyed. There is a clear distinction between PSU and simply electrical hardware actualy.
PSU must have the CE logo but electrical hardware powered by less 50v doesn't
https[Suspicious link removed]mpt-from-emc-testing-altogether/
As a result, if you buy only the miner it is not subject to CE marking as it's doesn't have a PSU.
If you buy a PSU from bitmain and it has the CE marking, you are safe. Just check with Bitmain or other people on the forum who purchased a PSU from bitmain to check if the PSU has the CE marking.
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On this at the moment. Seems like the responsible government agency in Germany does list the following as a reason: - missing or wrong CE sticker - CE indication wrong or misleading - not fulfilling 2001/95/EG standards I am totally lost on where to find the issue here - and can't imagine Bitmain trying to ship hundreds of these ASICS to the EU, well knowing they will get sent back or destroyed. There is a clear distinction between PSU and simply electrical hardware actualy.
PSU must have the CE logo but electrical hardware powered by less 50v doesn't
https[Suspicious link removed]mpt-from-emc-testing-altogether/
As a result, if you buy only the miner it is not subject to CE marking as it's doesn't have a PSU.
If you buy a PSU from bitmain and it has the CE marking, you are safe. Just check with Bitmain or other people on the forum who purchased a PSU from bitmain to check if the PSU has the CE marking.
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Als Ergänzung: DHL hat das Statement abgegeben, dass ALLE Bitmain Geräte in Leipzig vernichtet/zurückgeschickt werden. Dies würde bedeuten dass sämtliche Bitmain Z9s in der EU nicht importiert werden können - hat jemand ähnliche Erfahrungen gemacht / kann dies bestätigen ? Oder passiert das effektiv nur in Verbindung mit DHL als Carrier? Ein Freund von mir hat das gleiche Problem mit DHL/Leipzig und einem Antminer Z9 mini.
Gibts eine Lösung die funktioniert?
Evtl. statt einer Rücksendung nach CN eine Sendung in ein nicht-EU land?
Merci & Danke für ein Feedback!
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Ein Freund von mir hat das gleiche Problem mit DHL/Leipzig und einem Antminer Z9 mini.
Gibts eine Lösung die funktioniert?
Evtl. statt einer Rücksendung nach CN eine Sendung in ein nicht-EU land?
Merci & Danke für ein Feedback!
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All,
a friend of mine just got a statement by the german customs that his ordered Z9 Mini does not comply to european regulations, and hence needs to be sent back or destroyed. I can share the letter by the customs if needed.
Can anybody that successfully imported a Z9 to Germany let me know if he/she faced similar issues ?
Thank you & my best regards
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You mentioned that a single SAM cube can mine about 115 ETH and 19 BTC per year, how did you came to this numbers?
The first SAM Cubes have been equipped with mining rigs for the mining of ETH and Bitcoin. The SAM Cubes can be equipped with Asic or GPU miners, whereby a mixed model was chosen for SAM Unit 1. In the already functioning Unit 1 (4x2x2), 50 Asic miners are operated with a total capacity of 700 TH/s and several GPU rigs with a total capacity of 4000 MH/s. At this performance, currently about 115 ETH and 19 bitcoin are minted per year. SAM Unit 1 would generate you 50*4k/2=100'000USD per Year. If you really mine 19 bitcoin per year you would better keep them yourself and sell them. It always seems fishy to me, selling something under the value it had, if you keep it for yourself  I think its been said that actual rate is 15 BTC per year,not 19.SAM team abit overestimated. That is so, but they said that these are only predictions, so there are possible deviations. Why does everybody always forget the difficulty increase ? Are you all not aware of that mechanic ? BTW, S9s with 14 THs can be bought for as low as 700 USD incl PSU right now. |
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Well all, i just got banned from the Telegram channel after asking what the official statement from SAM is about the fact that the team behind this is the same that launched Giracoin 2 years ago, a coin that was and is under heavy critics due to it's combination of Ponzi and Pyramid scheme.
I expect this post will get deleted as well pretty soon.
Do your own due diligence people, and pay attention who you give your money.
Sergej
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How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
thanks for the questions Sergej In Switzerland there are about 400,000 of these buildings and about 10%, so 40,000 are usable for us. In most cases we have to supply the electricity to the stables. The costs for the development of the first building were 30'000 CHF, but mostly 2-4 of these buildings are in the same place and we can therefore split these costs. The first stable which can be seen in the video has 2 more next door and all 3 are now useable. Therefore, the costs are quite acceptable there. Currently we have large scale contracts (with a minimum that we have to buy) for hydro power and we pay 5.23 cents per KW / H. When operating our own power plants, we will operate the containers next to them and operate our own network in order to not have to use the public grid. the idea is to operate small hydropowerplants (we have more then 1400 of them in switzerland), they are exempted from water taxes in switzerland. and of course they are much cheaper to buy  About the banks, currentlyl we work with a swiss bank (you can see the details when you go to our tokensale plattform) but maybe we will switch to a bank in liechtenstein because they can provide us also with wallets etc. Swiss Alps Energy is currently in process to get a SRO Member in Switzerland. Best Regards Swiss Alps Mining Thank you for your feedback. 3 houses in one location means you will at least need 750A if you put a small cube in each of the houses - not many trafo stations are available close to these buildings that can supply this, and building your own trafo station costs a fortune (6digits +). How will you manage this ? Thank you & my best regards Sergej |
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How do you plan to power these in the mountains ?
Quick calculation shows:
50 x S9 = 66 kw
4000 Mhs ETHASH = approx 130 RX 580, = 17.5 kw (+ Mainboards, routers, vents etc) (space must be packed in a 4m x 2m x 2m container ....)
So lets make that a generous 100 kw / Container. On 400 Volts, that's roughly 250 A.
Not one of the buildings in the mountains has that energy supply - so you will be restricted to locations that are either close to a trafo station, or close to e.g. ski lifts / mountain railways, otherwise you pay a fortune to get the energy laid to these locations.
The connection to a trafo station / ski lift will still need to be established, and depending on the distance, this is a 5-6 digit amount VERY quickly just to get the energy to the container.
In addition to that i miss the mentioning of the swiss electricty grid usage cost (5-6 rp/kwh) and general cost (2.6 rp/kwh) in your calculations and whitepaper.
So in essence, without having your own hydro power stations, you are looking at at least 10 rp/kwh for energy, and thats already the best case. More likely 13-16 rp/kwh.
Even IF you acquire your own hydro plants, the swiss electrity grid usage fee will still need to be paid (happy to learn something new here if that's not the case).
Thank you for your feedback, wish you all the best with the ICO.
my best regards
Sergej
PS: on a sidenote - as far as i know all swiss banks have cancelled / do not further maintain banking relationships with crypto mining companies. Do you bank out of Liechtenstein?
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Dear HiveOS team, is there any known reason why the first GPU (Slot 0) on some rigs is getting way hotter than the other GPUs in the rig?  And is there an explanation why this doesnt happen on all rigs ? The 8 GPU rig is an Octominer, the 5 GPU one an open air rig, and the 4 GPU one is an open air rig as well. Thank you & my best regards Sarge |
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Interesse - aber keine Möglichkeit eine PM zu schreiben. Ebenso Umfeld Zueri.
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CTRL-A CTRL-A How can i see the second miner through SSH terminal?
"miner" for first miner, but is there a way to look at the second?
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Interested in 100 1070 TI, delivery to Switzerland.
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