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I can pay with a green dot if still available.
how much?? |
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Or just go onto local bitcoins yourself.
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It's not like its a huge fee. I will cover the fee. Will not cover Moneygram fee though
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Selling at MtGox last price. PM or message if interested.
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Then people just use VPN, Proxies, or whatnot.
No way to police it
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They probably have no way to police it.
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Hacked some accounts that havent been used, and sell them.. Pretty ethical
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Folks, The trading platform that TruCoin is launching today allows users to place stealth dark pool orders on all of the major exchanges. The stealth orders are hidden from the public until the order executes. So, they don't show up in any of the public market depth tables or charts. I can discretely place large orders now without affecting the market! Thoughts? How does Trucoin place an order on the mtgox book without it appearing in the public depth table? Trade secret Obv |
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Scammer buys goods from reputable person. Reputable person holds coins, then tries to spend them, but person C sees that coins were in a previous deal linked to scammer. Innocent person B is screwed.
Not gonna happen.
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It's the damn fluoride.  |
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Thanks for all the input guys!
"start with 10 bitcoins. bet and lose 4 in a row. Now you should bet 6 btc. " UMMMMM, math fail sir. |
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All sales are final is in itself illegal. As long as they can't deliver the item on the day you want your refund they have to give you the refund. That is common business pratice and even law in some countries...
Any good lawyer or judge will tell you its all in the wording, and BFL uses it well. And I quote " Bitforce SC (ASIC) products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 2 months or more after order. All sales are final." The statement of "2 months or more" makes denying you a refund legal. The only way it becomes illegal is if they never deliver the product....ever. If they discontinue the item and say that it will never ship, THEN you are legally owed a refund. But, when you paid for your item, they essentially told you it would take at least 2 months. They never promised before a certain time frame. Some people have been able to successfully get refunds, and that is totally at the companies discretion. Its no different that buying a product with a warranty, and then that product breaking after that warranty has expired. They company promised that under normal use, their product will last ATLEAST that long. Anything beyond that, they do not have to fix/repair, but if they choose to do it then thats their own discretion. Same also applies to returns and countless other policies in place everyday. You are completely incorrect in your understanding of the legal precedent around this issue. U.S. Consumer Protection Laws are very clear. If they have not actually shipped the merchandise, they cannot deny your request for a refund, regardless of what terms and conditions they have in some arbitrary corner of their website. ^^This It is amazing to me how the BFL fanbois will excuse almost any behavior by the company, up to and including refusing their customers refunds. Fanboy I am not. Yes, I have a Jalapeno, but I also ordered mine in July 2012. So, someone who ordered 2 months ago who is upset about not getting a refund, I say to them, what do you say to the person who has waited almost a year to get their unit? I refer you to my post below and the FTC laws governing All Sales Finals and the legality of them offering refunds. Like it or not, they are within their legal right to deny a refund, just like you are within your legal right to ask for, and put in a claim for one. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=249125.msg2648214#msg2648214FTC is clear. All sales final is not binding. You can always cancel. Espcially if product has not shipped within 30 days or order, regardless of if you are warned it may be longer than 2 months. BFL is breaking US FTC laws. |
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BFL is a joke. Period. There is not one ounce of common sense coming from them.
Remember when they were cancelling orders for talking bad about them, and refunding people? People WHO DIDNT EVEN WANT A REFUND, BUT WERE JUST PISSED OFF BECAUSE THEY FAILED TO DELIVER ANYTHING ON TIME?
It's funny, they cancelled and refunded those orders, but now someone who actually requests a refund, they refuse. Probably because they gambled it all away os SD or some dumb shit.
BFL labs is less than an hour from my house. Visit anyone?
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Wow....
You idiots really know how to turn people off to starting games, and how to run off people who are trying to give away BTC.
Bunch of clowns
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Amazing to me that you are even trying to defend your position. What position Inaba? So you think you're company has conducted business in the most ethical and prudent of manners? You took preorders when you knew they could be filled in a timely manner? You refunded preorders when asked? Maintained transparency? Under promised and over delivered? Yes, BFL has conducted business ethically and as prudently as possible. Believe it or not, whiney little babies have no connection to reality aren't the norm in the business world. Go whine to AMD or Intel or another tech company when they are late delivering your product, see how far it gets you. As far as taking preorders when we knew they could be delivered in a timely manner, I assume you meant "knew they couldn't" (if not, please correct me), but we did not know. That is the point. Yes, we refunded preorders when asked, is your implication that we didn't? We are the most transparent ASIC company shipping products. We are also far, far more transparent than pretty much any other tech company out there. Under promised and over delivered? I assume you are implying that we didn't. Guilty as charged and I've already apologized numerous times. You parade about like a child bashing everyone who disagrees with your almighty opinion. Nope, only those that make up falsehoods and outright lies. You are welcome to disagree as long as you stick to the truth. Try it - stick to the truth when disagreeing with me and see if you get bashed. Hasn't happened yet. (You've already failed this round, looks like, see if you can make your next post contain nothing but factual information.) Really? Ha. HAHA. HAHAHAHAHA. stfu clown. You dont take preorders, promise people a delivery date, miss that date numerous times, lie to your customers and say 2 weeks, then say 2 months, and still not deliver. |
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Created account, name: moneymaker1990
Thanks!
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Upon re-reading the thread, bitbook does seem quite sketchy.
Should I paint them red, or...?
I don't think anyone needs to be painted red... they just handled the situation poorly. They gave him his deposit back and they had the right to freeze his accounts. They just don't seem to understand that what he did was try to help them, not scam them. You do it with 0.015 BTC not 15 BTC, and you PM Bitbook after you do it explaining what you did and what you think is wrong, if they dont fix it you leave it alone and dont tell anyone, and dont do it yourself. He got caught, got here first and made his case, he is wrong. Disagree. You do it with a large amount, and force them to fix the situation. And he contacted someone with the info that he could trust to not exploit it, for this very reason. Bitbook fucked up, and they want to throw him under the bus. They don't like that they had a huge risk on their site. Instead of thanking the guy for showing them the hole, the want to take his BTC? They should be PAYING that man for not just transferring to another account and inst withdrawing. Their withdrawls are automated, they NEVER would have seen those coins again had OP done that. |
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My screenname is: moneymaker1990 Thanks for crediting my account  |
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How is anyone seeing what bitbook did is right?
Thats pure insanity.
The guy emailed another reputable company with his findings, for this very reason. Bitbook gets butt hurt because he found a serious flaw, and auto accuses him of scamming and threatens to hold his coins.
It's pretty cut and dry. Bitbook fucked up, then they want to punish OP for it.
It is NOT OP's job to help them fix a site bug. Can bitbook freeze or ban his account? Sure. Thats their choice. Thats fine. But to keep his coins. NEVER is that right, ever. Bitbook can guess at his intent, but I tend to think that since he PM'd all the info to a third party, reputable company, before proceeding, that he was trying to test to see if the site had a clear security leak, or if it would be noticed.
We will never know if the OP wouldd have kept the coins. But think on this:
If he wanted to keep the coins, wouldnt he have loaded him one account, made all kinds of bets, then transferred them to one other account and cashed out? What he did makes absolutely no sense for a scammer to do.
All you people who are saying you respect and are now a customer of bitbook for life after this are insane. They handled this piss poorly.
OP, glad you got your coins back. I see what you tried to do. It's what any person who tests sites for flaws would do. Obviously these people here have no idea what bug testing is for. Good on you sir.
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Watching how this plays out.
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