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1  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: The Scripting system in the Bitcoin Protocol on: February 06, 2014, 05:03:12 AM
looking into https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_8:_Multi-party_decentralised_lotteries, is there a way to implement a service with no operators involved? like an ethereum autonomous entity?
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: colored coins representing other cryptocurrencies? on: February 06, 2014, 02:32:11 AM
if a colored coin can represent anything, what would happen if a colored coin were to represent litecoin? or multiple cryptocurrencies? or all cryptocurrencies?

could you introduce a new coin with no mining simply by piggybacking off of current bitcoin mining, where all new bitcoin blocks would be colored to represent your new coin?

if I sent a colored bitcoins that represents a litecoin, the litecoin never moves but still changes ownership. sounds a lot like mastercoin.

what if the bitcoin and litecoin were colored to represent each other? could you send either one and essentially be sending both? could you expand on the capabilities of a cryptocurrency by coloring it with capabilities of another cryptocurrency?

Colored coins can jump on any alt, but representing an alt as a colored coin seems a bit redundant imo, but yes it can be done. As far as Mastercoin features go it is to my understanding that colored coins can implement all of mastercoin features should they be willing to increase lag time of 3 confirmations, make it a nightmare for backwards compatibility, etc.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ATTN: Ethereum SCAM on: January 29, 2014, 03:03:38 PM
Past history

The Protoshares / Invictus people are involved with this.  For anyone who isn't familiar with their products like Protoshares, I'm not even kidding or exaggerating here, they're a combination of 50% crypto-fascism, and 50% crypto-socialism.  I'm not sure if they will even bother trying to refute this claim since the dictionary definitions line up exactly with what they have attempted to create in the past.

Occam's Razor - Never heard of it

Just like Sunny "The Taxman" King, the Ethereum people have never heard of the word "Occam's Razor".  There are hundreds, if not thousands of Arbitrary variables in Ethereum they get to tinker and play God with.  Bitcoin is popular because it's a simple, straightforward, trust free system.  You don't have little leprechauns behind the scenes randomly assigning values based on whatever they feel like that day.  All people want is freedom from bankers, they do not want some bizarre, poorly thought out, weirdo economic system forced on them that looks like it was designed by Mussolini.

Goldman Sachs?  Are you serious

Accompanying the previous point, we have alleged Goldman Sachs involvement:  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431938.0

IPO Scam and premine - Check

Why have only one scam when you can have two at the same time !

Things nobody wants or needs - Check

It's not even a currency.  You're initially being sold as getting involved with a currency, yet their plans include things like moving a large portion of the IPO into the establishment of a "decentralized autonomous organization", another Protoshares buzz/scam word.  Just like every other variable in this plot, they don't even bother listing what the purpose of such an entity is, or why you should want it.  You might as well be investing in decentralized, autonomous, robots armed with machine guns.  There's just zero reason for you to want any of this stuff to exist.

Not this again

The past Invictus / Protoshares people have always been knee deep in scandals involving pre-mines in things like Memory coin, or "Freetrade" and all his baggage.

The bottom line

This is nothing but a rebranding of Protoshares, an already failed concept.

I could go on for days.  It makes me almost physically ill reading anything remotely affiliated with Invictus / Protoshares people.



- They are asking an insane 30k BTC

- 50% pre mined

- They are setting a price out of nothing for 1 eth, while it's not even out yet

- "ex" Goldman Sachs pricks are supporting this project

aaand probably other red flags i'm not aware of.


this amount of premine and greed with Ethereum devs are of epic proportion. good luck to those "invest" in this.

They do have ex Goldman Sachs members on their team. Those guys are taught to "leave nothing on the table". This  IPO was created and structured by Goldman guys. This is why it leaves zero crumbs on the table for the average guy.

My personal opinion: Do you really think a all-in-one package coin will be a revolution? Bitcoin is a success because its simple, made from scratch, for people to transact on their own terms, and thats it.


The distribution model has much to be desired of, however i highly doubt they well reach the 30 000 btc cap limit, it appears that the foundation they'll set up will be transparent and all payments will be listed publicly.  One thing to note is that unlike the Mastercoin scam, there are plenty of good developers tied to this project with code already written  https://github.com/ethereum/cpp-ethereum. They may be lacking the contracts part, but i would not be surprised if they launch a wallet during the fundraiser.

The one thing that interests me about this project is that it is more simple than bitcoin and anything can be built on top of it. Turing completeness means I can build a high frequency trading exchange on top of it, build mastercoin features without the 30 minute optimum security lag or backwards compatibility issues, or even fork dogecoin into Ethereum.

-0x102
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ATTN: Ethereum SCAM on: January 29, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
what is  Ethereum
Ethanolium is the next generation ripple.
The community needs it so bad, like they need AIDS  Wink
To be precise, the 4th gen (after Ripples,MasterCoin,NEXT)

You forgot chromawallet. Wink
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 24, 2014, 10:29:33 AM
Congratulations! I've read the white paper (twice) and I am beginning to understand about 25% of it! Whenever I hear about protocols that support building custom currencies, I get all giddy.

The feeling I had when I first learnt about the MasterCoins project, or ColoredCoins or OpenTransactions or NXT has just been magnified even more by seeing what Ethereum is about to bring to the table.

I will be keeping a close on this one.



What happens to these MasterCoins, ColoredCoins, OpenTransactions or NXT projects?

Only time will tell who succeeds in the end, maybe more than one eh? This is the first time since Bitcoin i have seen something really disrupting being introduced to the community. I have confidence Vitalik will see this to completion.
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