It looks like they forked the forked revival to v4. This was because of a replay attack which the chain was susceptible to. They did not account for that possibility early on. And was claiming these "dormant" wallets was provenance that it is still the OG Lucky. They ended up blacklisting the dormant wallets, since it was moved and probably was sold in exchanges. What a mess... Now, their solution is to just blacklist over 2M coins and continue on with the narrative. So technically, the chain does not have that legacy anymore since they completely disregarded the so called "dormant wallets". Funny thing is, due to merge mining, v3 is still running. I did spun up an explorer for it which I will keep running with a v3 seed node as well. Why? Because I can. Check out the explorer here of Lucky V3. There is currently 11TH/s of hash power that is moving the chain along. http://213.199.44.225:3001/ |
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I am an original Luckycoin holder, however I was investing not only in LKY, but also in BTC in 2014, so I don't need to post here for money. You will be surprised, but I am ready to spend money for listing original LKY on normal exchanges and on pools. I have a thought of hiring lawyers to check if everything is okay with this "revival", when funds disappear. However, for now I am just trying to find a normal solution, which could take into account interests of majority of holders, including buyers of new LKY. If Bells did the same "revival" (don't know much about it though), I agree that it was a fraud too. When we were talking with you in another thread, you agreed that this LKY "revival" is "garbage" and you told that you're not involved with that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6017.msg64850582#msg64850582Let's not forget that he promoted it too. It might be indirect, but the LKY revivers who also ran OPNET leveraged his post. See tweet here: https://x.com/LuckyCoinProj/status/1844540427178856927Reference post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214614.msg64614545#msg64614545Uploaded image incase it gets "deleted": https://imgur.com/a/DeDoSyy |
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If you really want to find an answer to your question why they closed deposits, then you should ask them (exchanges) directly.
And if you still think I know anyone from these exchanges, then you are totally mistaken(you have no tangible proof).
I merely shared public information based on what I can see online.
I have no insider info or anything, heck not even a dev.
I rely on ChatGPT most of the time.
In any case, this does not concern me anymore.
Have a nice day and good luck.
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From the start this was advertised as Luckycoin restarted at block XXXXX because the chain had essentially been mined by one person for the majority of the last decade, correct? So why after someone on twitter discovered they were able to sync the longer chain did all exchanges freeze deposits and blame some replay attack? The exchanges are older than the fork, there is no risk to them. They just stopped deposits, crashed the market and are killing this coin because they didn't research what they were listing?
There doesn't even seem to be a replay attack just a few transactions that coins be rebroadcast from old wallets. From our perspective, there is some coordination to only let certain people sell this coin.
In case you missed it, the thread I created to document the revival of the OG Lucky was dated 12/28. Someone saw my post and was able to sync to it much earlier than me. He started mining from Block 1604978 Check the link: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/lky/block.dws?1604978.htmIt is dated 12/28/2024, 6:31:20 PM (UTC+8:00) The replay attacks happened as early as around 12/26. It was around this Block 237849. Timestamp: 2024-12-26 17:20:42 https://luckyscan.org/block/700e6328d657a919ad0fd83f71a6ce2b03cc87edb619cc3f251d94e32f3539d2All timestamps are there. So why blame me for exchanges closing deposits? A coordinated attack, are you sure? Show some proof first, don't just spit nonsense. |
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Transactions differ, some inputs are the same because they occured in July, 2013, before the fork point (November, 2013). That means they belong to the part of chain from 2013 which is the same for both chains. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/lky/address.dws?L3XnfLo5m3BrZxH5PVxxpg38G8F8X7oDfd.htmHere we can see that coins were received in 2013 and spent completely in 2015, but on a new chain which doesn't include blocks from 2015 - they could be spent again and that happened (with same inputs from July, 2013). According to some sources, it looks like it was something called a "replay attack". The transactions I mentioned above are just some of the few tx that has been recreated. It does not need any interaction from the original owner of the address. Any transactions on these old wallets that occurred later after that block can be replicated on the new chain. As long as certain conditions are met, like balances and destination addresses. The entire integrity of this "revival" Luckycoin is now compromised. What a mess. |
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Luckycoin is listed on the reputable block explorer service: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/lkyTheir block explorer is on the longest LKY chain, historical, original one. If you are interested, please contribute and pay several $ for hosting. oh wow, so my efforts in doing the revival can actually be tracked in real time. let me look into this and see what we can do technically, the chain has been running smoothly the miners have actually spiked the hash rate to almost 2500% since last night. still trying to deploy my own seed node to keep the chain running as much as possible thanks for sharing. |
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I was able to completely sync my node to v1.0.1 and start mining original Luckycoin.
What block number are you up to? It still works.
The restart was a sham.
Only made to benefit the early miners and double spend old coins.
Anybody can do what you did. You can take an old version of Bitcoin, fire it up & be the only miner on the network. Same thing for hundreds of altcoins. Before I turned off my miner, this was the current block: { "blocks" : 1606178, "currentblocksize" : 1000, "currentblocktx" : 0, "difficulty" : 0.00094703, "errors" : "", "generate" : false, "genproclimit" : -1, "hashespersec" : 28309, "networkhashps" : 127075, "pooledtx" : 0, "testnet" : false } It was dormant since 2022. There are other miners testing it now as well. All details are on my post on X. If anyone can do it, why didn't the "revival" do the same thing I did and decide to prune the block data to start at 81k instead? Well, you don't need to answer; you probably wouldn't know the reason. |
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Thanks for the summary. So, with regards to this information, the original creator did not even care to manage the client properly, just left immediately. Titan contributed more in further development of the project. Curious on who is in control of these old wallets that has been recently activated. And is actively moving coins across multiple wallets. They probably planning to do something... https://x.com/ZachZwei/status/1873216900295213253I highly doubt it is LuckyC. |
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Hi
When someone revives a coin, it is obvious that you have to revive it from the last block of the longest chain,
to include all transactions - that guarantees all funds are safe, all is fair.
In case with LKY, "revival" made a hard fork from the block deep in the past (found on Nov, 25, 2013), 11 years ago.
After this block there is a gap to August 2024. All coins accumulated since Nov, 25, 2013 till August 2024 are not present in the new chain.
Then it is a question why that was made in a so strange way, with so much evil for many holders.
Why just not revive from the latest block with all those transactions happened since Nov, 25, 2013 included?
One who made a "revival" probably owned LKY in Nov, 2013 and then sent coins to Cryptsy exchange wallet when there was a famous pump called "Remember the moon in November".
Then sold LKY on Cryptsy to investors who were buying Luckycoin. So, investors paid their BTC and got LKY after Nov, 25, 2013 - on Cryptsy platform and then sent LKY from Cryptsy to their wallets - after Nov, 25, 2013.
But if you restart the project from the block found on Nov, 25, 2013, when coins were present in the wallet of one who sold them on Cryptsy later, the person again owns the coins which were sold many years ago, and is able to double spend them now.
While investors, who bought coins many years ago, don't have them any longer, because these transactions are not present in the new chain.
That looks like a new, uncommon type of double spend, with 11 year gap, hidden under "revival" idea.
That is just a logical explanation of why the block in the deep past was chosen to "revive" the project.
Even if it is not exactly what happened, anyway investors were buying LKY in 2014 and later, now their holdings are not present in the chain, and new investors are buying the same concept.
So, in any case it looks like double selling of one concept (under one name, logo, story) - because previous buyers automatically lost their share in LKY project.
Understood. This explains a lot. So rolling back the chain to a much earlier state allows someone who still has access to these old wallets to spend them now in the new fork. Completely negating any newer transactions that were done before. Which probably explains why these so called "dormant" wallets has become active again. I made a post about it recently on X. https://x.com/ZachZwei/status/1872301134813237399The scary thing is, this unknown user seems to have access to multiple wallets. Distributed some old coins to new addresses. The LKY revivers seems to promote that it was the og dev "LuckyC" is in control of this wallets. What do you think? Also, I was experimenting with the og LKY client v1.0.1 and saw a bootstrap.dat file which was still downloadable. Ran the clien with it, and it is syncing way past this so called "revival". Currently at block 537269, dated March 19, 2015.  Posted about it too to highlight the fact that the og chain is still downloadable and syncing. https://x.com/ZachZwei/status/1872675313156849960 |
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from the block 81,743 (Nov25, 2013)? lky was pumped on cryptsy in November 2013 and sold to many accounts in 2013-2014, and now forking from the point before that, hidden double spend with 11 year gap
hey there, thanks for sharing curious on this double spend that happened before. are you saying that this double spend was still included in this new fork of LKY that is running right now? |
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I am really confused by your posts.
You keep quoting new Bells.
My research is purely referring to the OG Bellscoin.
That doesn't exist anymore. What I am trying to establish is the direct connection of OG Bellscoin to OG Dogecoin.
Because that is what Billy has mentioned.
Is there a Discord where I can see what Billy has said about the New Bells? Has he actually supported it? If so, I'd like to see what he said. Take your comments elsewhere.
This thread is OG Bellscoin in case you did not notice.
You should start a new thread of your own and stop trying to deceive others into thinking your Bells has anything to do with this one. edit: Like, have you no shame at all? Obviously not. Anyway, I just want to point out that the below statement is 100% lies; you must be a complete piece of shit to support this scumbag scammer in any way:  Good day. This will be my last interaction on this post. Just to let you know, I am merely a holder and understands what I have bought into. My research is purely to establish the connection of the original Bellscoin that still exists as a downloadable source for anyone to use and run if they want to. Believe what you want to believe. If you have a personal problem with the Bells revival, and all the people involved with it, post it on public so that more people are aware of your claims. * Tell it to Bitmain and other ASIC miner manufacturers, that are launching Scrypt miners highlighting merge mining of LTC+DOGE+BEL. * Tell it to the LTC mining pools that have added support for BELLS, including ViaBTC, F2Pool and even Binance. Check here: https://miningpoolstats.stream/bells* Tell it to the devs who are working actively to improve this revived version of Bellscoin. Go here: https://github.com/NintondoWhere in V3, they incorporated Syscoin merge mining code which allows better future proofing and removing the tech debt of Dogecoin updates. Other revival chains rely on the updates released by Bellscoin coin, without the revival meta kickstarted by Bellscoin, we would not be having this conversation. Lastly, tell it to Billy who has shown support for this revival and even chimed in on Discord to suggest that merge mining should be integrated right away. Here is a screenshot of his messages on Discord  Discord link is here: https://discord.gg/wkWV8YYk/end |
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I am really confused by your posts. You keep quoting new Bells. My research is purely referring to the OG Bellscoin. What I am trying to establish is the direct connection of OG Bellscoin to OG Dogecoin. Because that is what Billy has mentioned. And that is what the repos are showing. Take your comments elsewhere. This thread is OG Bellscoin in case you did not notice. |
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This has nothing to do with what you're so desperately peddling. Your Bells is literally a fork of Dogecoin, and not the way around, as you shamelessly continue to try to trick people into believing. How can it be? The first block wasn't mined until Dec 2023. You were warned the "Bells revival" project was started by a known grifter, presented plenty evidence, yet chose to ignore it. So now you get to reap what you've sown. Did I referenced the new Bells on my tweet? This is all Billy's work that I am talking about. Proving the true source of OG Dogecoin is OG Bellscoin. OG Luckycoin was forked by Billy to create OG Bellscoin. As per his tweet, only took him 10 minutes to create Bellscoin from it. The Luckycoin running right now is not even the OG anymore since it would not work with the OG client. It had to be modified, or to be exact, the client for Bells V2 had to be forked to run Lucky fork chain 3.0. And using only partial blocks instead of full blockdata is kinda sus in my book. The worst part is running Lucky v2 side by side with another Lucky running v1 is another shady act by the devs who did the restart. https://x.com/ZachZwei/status/1858144255107277055This is the truth and there is no hiding from it. By the way, your true nature has been exposed and you cannot hide from that as well. https://x.com/notsofast/status/1860761100221907058One last thing. Still waiting for your proof regarding your claims that Bellscoin team created the Luckycoin explorer. I guess, you still have yet to find one to back it up. |
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Cmon man get a grip. You're saying Bells people didn't do it?
Utter retardation. You're good at being a snake though. I'll give you that.
BTW I own neither Bells nor Lucky nor will I ever.
I asked for proof. If you cannot show it then it proves you are throwing false accusations. Good job on doing that. |
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