mi scuso se questo è già stato discusso; ho provato cercare e a spulciare un pochino il topic su fisco e tasse ma purtroppo di legge non ne capisco nulla Vorrei sapere, quale somma posso legalmente far entrare nel mio conto unicredit da un bonifico bitstamp o di qualcuno a caso (se vendo su bitcoin.de)? Si applica il limite di 1000euro della legge sulla tracciabilità o non c'entra nulla? Se devo pagare l'IVA, come faccio in pratica a pagarla?

Insomma vorrei almeno sapere come andrebbe fatto a modino secondo la legge, anche se mi pare di capire che nessuno lo sappia per mancanza di leggi precise... Ho pensato che chiedere comunque non nuoce, e comunque aldilà della legge vorrei sapere come lo fate voi, se avete mai avuto problemi con la banca ecc. In linea di massima se mi faccio arrivare meno di 1000 euro in un mese posso star tranquillo?

Preciso che sono ancora a carico dei genitori e non percepisco reddito, non so se c'entra

well, if chips are being sold for $ which are then converted to BTC and distributed as dividends, the price of BTC going up (potentially) will have a downward force on dividends, thus on share price.

Infact, I remember reading here, last year, friedcat or someone else saying "miners make only sense to be priced in bitcoins", which makes sense since they will produce bitcoins... Why are they being sold for dollars now?

a "large sell" is actually a "large buy" if you look at it the other way around

of course, that's a triviality

I too have lost alot (for me) due to my negligence. What I think could change the landscape significantly are rating agencies and decentralized exchanges.

weren't we organizing another round of questions to forward to friedcat? "future plans" should certainly be on there

morale: prima di toccarli con un bastone da 10 metri meglio sapere esattamente quello che si sta facendo grazie Tulipbit

qui dice che una delle differenze tra CFD e futures è che i CFD non hanno data di scadenza...


EDIT: riguardo margin e leverage, qui ci sono dei degli esempi, devo ancora finire di leggerli e capirli ma credo mi chiarirà come funziona

ah ok, credo di aver capito, praticamente lo spread tra prezzo per comprare e vendere sarà fissato a tot % sopra e sotto il prezzo, e chiaramente sarà in media più grande dello spread che c'è sugli order book veri dove loro faranno compravendita...

però se ho capito bene offrono un sacco di leverage, 200:1 mi sembra? pensavo di provare a usarlo quando si stabilisce il trend per la prossima bubble... "l'unico" rischio sarebbe quello di incorrere in una margin call durante una correzione e perdere tutto, giusto? e sta cosa sarebbe tanto più facile (cioè richiederebbe meno variazione in percentuale del prezzo BTC/EUR) tanto più leverage si usa, giusto? o non ho capito una mazza del leverage e margin?

cioè sono una specie di bucket shop? ma che vuol dire "scommetterti contro"?

I agree that with five minutes of his time Danny could clear up a lot of things, but we've seen it in the past, he tends to not communicate bad news, which is very stupid IMHO. so I'm supposing there's indeed some bad news, maybe not a show stopper, but we'll only get very fuzzy details

while we are on the topic, what about chips from AsicMiner? They should be testing the first batch and we'll probably know real specs and price in a few days, but the theoretical specs were about 0.3 J/Ghash and 0.5-1$/Ghash, which seems pretty competitive to me... of course this is for the chips only, full boards would cost more per Ghash

Generally speaking I must agree that I remain skeptical with the preorder economy: why should you effectively loan bitcoins with 0 interest and without any certainties on what you'll be getting and when?

Having said that, I must also agree that I know nothing about mining and OgNasty obviously knows a thing or two

è passato un anno dall'ultimo post... avete continuato ad usarlo? come vi siete trovati?

mi chiedo se per shortare i bitcoin sia il posto più affidabile, le alternative sono bitfinex, icbit, kraken, che sono i "soliti" exchange bitcoin.... questo invece sembra più "istituzionale"... o è uno scam ben fatto?

ma ha chiuso, o si è spostato? E' da mesi che non ci andavo e ora non mi carica più la pagina, questo il link che ho (e che è sul hidden wiki)

http://cipollatnumrrahd.onion/

Rockxie, I must say, you don't inspire a whole lot of trust with how you're managing this. So the shares that were to go on IPO were actually on sale elsewhere? and please update the OP so people don't have to go through 5 pages for nothing

where will this operation be in 6 months, 1 year, 5 years? I mean, is the only purpose of this IPO to buy and assemble some (yet untested) gen 3 asicminer chips (and retain 80% of profit) or will it go on afterwards? how?

I would really like this, and asked about it some time ago:


To which Danny "answered" (he's very good at this political speak, making you believe he has answered your question, when he has infact not)


EDIT: I DO find it amusing and unsettling that they still haven't hired a full-time bitcoin core developer, being that every bit of profit they'll ever make wouldn't have been possible without those developers

been out of the loop for a while... so, has the Nicosia main branch opened yet? Are there photos/testimonials of clients?

There was a lot of talk like "we will be creating our exchange or move to colored coins". True no one said it would be free, but neither that it would have a cost, and it seemed reasonable to assume the first.

Also, it's the first time I hear talking about passthrough shares; IIRC it was mentioned here in the past that Havelock and Bitfunder shares were not passthroughs, but "as real as you could get"


How has that anything to do with transfer fees? That would be an argument to justify having a percentage of dividends cut out, but not for transfering OUT of Havelock, thus if anything reducing those costs you mention for you.


I'm in for the long term, I don't care so much about liquidity and I don't want the counter party risk involved with Havelock. Of course I don't "need" direct shares but they would be very appreciated, since I thought that was what I bought.


Then do as I suggested: first time it's free, then there's a fee. So you have the friction AND you show appreciation to your early investors.


EDIT: my bad, I saw now that btct.co and havelock shares were allways mentioned as passthroughs, and bitfunder were the direct ones. What about people who bought IPVO (not traded) shares in the period when there was only Havelock? How were they supposed to buy direct shares?

Since the thread is now calm, unlike last week, I'll bring this up again: I think that for first transfer Havelock->lmb-holdings there should be no fee.

I bought Neo shares on Havelock the first day of the IPO, and I don't see why I should pay an additional fee to have them on the official platform, which was not avaible back then. If the shares I bought on Havelock are "real", then why do I have to pay a fee for having them validated by lmb-holdings?

It would seem reasonble to me that the lmb->Havelock has a fee, since exporting your shares on a non-official platform with more liquidity is indeed a service TAT is offering, but not the other way around. Instead it's exactly the opposite! I would like to hear your (TAT's and Danny's) reasoning on this