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10nm.
The first thing is most customers do not know the right questions to ask a mining company to ferret out if they are bullshit or not. So, I encourage everyone to ask the right questions about chips, fabrication, etc. If the guy doesnt know what he is talking about it will be clear right away.
Speculations: In the beginning a bunch of folks were saying it was a 16nm chip. And some speculated that it was just
and overclocked S9. Hmm, dunno. The problem with it being a 16nm chip from a new company is that TSMC would not give a new customer any wafer capicity.
How about TSMC 10nm? Well if they answer TSMC 10nm, then that fuels another speculation that buzzed around on twitter
that Halong is just a Bitmain subsidary and it's Bitmain's method for selling chips. It also helps them clean up their
act and diffuse concerns about the concentration in mining. Information vacuums are never good as they fuel speculation.
Maybe TSMC 12? performance is somewhat consistent with that.
Intel? Nope.
Samsung 10nm. From a performance and shipping standpoint samsung 10nm makes sense because there is an apparent yeild issue ( there always is ) and because there is what looks to be a voltage leak problem which could lead to excessive power consumption. You'll get chips that run at sub .09J/GH and devices that run above this. If you can just run the thing through a variety of frequencies and see what happens to the power consumption that will be a good clue. Maybe they can tweak the the process to reduce the portion of chips that might have this issue. Ideally, they would do different SKUs, those that run between 15 and 16 and those that run faster. Hard to do unless you have big volume. In any case if it is samsung 10nm, then the best thing to do is just to address the performace variations and explain what you are doing to reduce/improve the situation. If they are tweaking the process to run at a fast corner (for example), just tell folks. We are tweaking the process.
If you build chips it is what you do.
In the end someone somewhere will decap chip or take it to their dentist for an xray and post the dimensions. I should
do a bounty on that. If you know the dimensions of the bare die that will tell alot. Has anyone decaped a Bitmain chip?
Finally, the other thing is some guys use chip specs to derive machine specs. That means you might spec 16TH .07 from
the single chip performance ( averages of lots) but when you actually build a machine its 15-16TH and .1 at the wall.
what we do is a little different. We spec machines after they are built and tested. So 13TH, actually means a tested
MINIMUM 13, and empirically 75% of the machines run at 13.5 or higher. Ideally there would be some kind of standard
benchmarking but I dont think the industry is ready for that.
Anyway, more information from everyone, open information from everyone is always a good thing.
thanks, kinda best post on topic so far
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Why not do the right thing and reveal self/identity to everyone?
i was doing that few times already even publicly on twatter. even cobra doesn’t brag about my affiliation with halong since this it simply not true. my name is Oleg i am mid to large scale reseller/consultant on mining operations in Russia. we running a company both for average miner joe sales and large scale private customers as well. i’m in a business since S7 came out, before (and still) I also involved in business related to general sourcing in china upon customer request. what else should I reveal ? my passport? anyway, dimaze and everybody you trying to call out are a good company to stick with so i’m leaving you with your speculations for you pleasure. btw I never told Halong did sell shit load of units to whale operations, I was pointing how things are generally made no matter what mfg we are talking about. |
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lol. They didnt sell to any enterprise companies. I know the claims they make. Their telegram back then has like 600 people only then and many were toxic. No company will buy alot of untested units from some new and unknown company. It is just stupid.
if you ever were at least one toe in mining operations whale biz you prob will know that usually one invites whale operations for demos way before the asic is announced in public, secure the contracts and later of course those guys get units first as well who is this for example https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3ACjzvyr3PdPCnAcAi2Nfw9RXcm9SVmtR9 mining with AB since mid March? |
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please be sure to test the updated firmware as well. your miner should offer an update in the backend section.
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show us clear evidence
this means 16th x 1.1 = 17.6th and a bit under 1480 watts or say 1460 watts.
I would love to see this. with meters and not type set.
I still don't have my demo and no tracking or contact from them.
So I have contacted forum member to see if they would be willing to send me a unit. for testing.
Since you claim to have really good ones send me one so I can show clear evidence that the gear is better then spec.
dimaze is talking about B29, not T1 there were another couple guys on the chat that reported B29 is doing above/below specs for hashrate/consumption respectively right now you can see around 200 units running on coinmine.pl as well i got mine already shipped to forwarding company and will have them delivered sometimes mid next week and will report as well |
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exactly, I ended up the same while was doing my own due diligence before paying the invoice |
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I am making no such assumption. I am relying on what MyRig has told us about its legal incorporation status on its very own terms of use page on its web site (see: https://i.imgur.com/8WZDWmZ.jpg). MyRig holds itself out as a Colorado incorporated entity, hence the name "MyRig, Inc." I even went so far as to check the Japanese government's official incorporation records. You can do so yourself here: http://www.houjin-bangou.nta.go.jp/en/. Just type "myrig" into the "Name" field. Zero results. That leaves Russia. If MyRig would like to announce that it is a Russian corporation, I would be thrilled to receive this news. I have not checked Russian incorporation records but I would be happy to verify such a claim from MyRig if it would like to make it. if you ever saw the invoice or purchase agreement how anyone who was ordering thru myrig you should know that the entity name is Myrig Inc as written both in PO and beneficiary bank details. your assumptions are based on “inc” means only US corporation which is incorrect. concerning russian companies , we are using LLC as a type of incorporation
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Myrig:
Minami 9 Jo Dori 26 Chome 589-57, Asahikawa, Hokkaido, Japan 078-8339
telephone number:
0166-74-6033
https:// goo . gl /maps/nU5wJJD2sxR2
can confirm the address was the same on my invoice, but so what? this same address is up years on myrig.com https://myrig.com/contacts/obviously myrig’s address in Colorado it’s just a mail forward service , you didn’t know such exist? |
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Sy this point I don't care much for them as they are obviously a butterfly lab type company. I do hope the alt gear does get shipped.
already being shipped |
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They made a video that shows 1460 watts at 16.2 TH a few months back but that is not
seems that results you guys got anyway fall into expected variation of +-8% specified on website tho |
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Nope. The fact that u are near a manufacturer is more reason that u should not do the review as it may not be impartial. If Halong was good, they should honor their deal to send philip a demo unit rather than talk and not carry out something so simple as shipping. No one knows if u are an original account holder as your 2018 posts are all in this thread only. Your previous post before halong is in 2015 and u just happen to live nearby halong haha. Think about it. It almost look like they gonna cherry pick a unit to do a review. There are so few tweets on this as it is and some still think it is an elaborate scam and that those tweets are paid.
If halong was good, they would send 1 demo to a few 3rd party established members, maybe philip, hagsfin, dabs, searing. We will have 4 independent and fair reviews of the units. This would be best and fair. The efficiency of the unit can differ substantially after all, as a member reported with comparison of 5 units.
reading all these conspiracy bs I have pretty much no questions left, besides what was a reason y'all guys to not join that Dragonmint chat the invite to which I personally found here in the thread? I never been using this forum since i'm not even running an operation myself, just selling them miners. But when I was into legit checking Halong of course I ended up here and found the invite. Being there at the chat for couple months straight I cleared all my previous concerns and made a bulk order with Halong after taking orders from my clients which was partly shipped last week and is shipping the remainder now. Why all your discussions are spinning around someone being OG on this thread? No offense but all of them names you called out are authorities only here and that's it. In the meantime all the people you scam-shamed before which supported halong in the beginning, are well known on the scene, not only this forum. By the way there are a guy above who is willing to sell some dragonmints he has on hand. if anybody so into this drama why can't y'all crowdfound a couple units for Philip and HaggsFIN rather than still shaming dimaze for his post count lol As far as I can see the problem is y'all are thinking its obligatory for halong to send these units for free to put some respect on you guys since y'all have shit ton of posts here ? but thats plain ridiculous. edit: grammar since was posting from mobile |
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You indeed own that twit acc. LoL we are doomed.
How can you say that they are fake while there are hundreds of videos showing them while working already? ck himself said he wrote the code, slush itself confirmed they mined the first ASICBOOST block.
What happened to you?
I didn't say they were fake, I said Halong Mining was a scam, and that they're likely selling Innosilicon BTC miners they've obtained somehow, and using this to build legitimacy so they can sell non-existent hardware for other algorithms. I also said I doubt that they have these Innosilicon miners in enough volume to be able to fulfill all their customers orders. how one can obtain such many units and nobody will claim that anywhere? I mean, everyone knows Bitmain is sueing Whatsminer on some patent and this is much less drama than steeling hundreds of units from well known mfg edit: grammar |
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Buck converter design looks to be much like in the S9.
The hash board cooling design is almost copied from the Antminer S9.
Invidual heat sinks, the v-shape area without heat sinks.
thanks, and innosilicon-wise, though the plot was halong is inno, not bitmain |
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ain’t nobody wants to discuss pcb photos i posted on page 82?
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I am sure the inside heat sinks will look like the s-9 and not the avalon. If I get my promised demo I will open case and look at heat sinks.
actually there are already T1 boards photos on the internets And heavens forbid you be useful here and provide links to them.... You're new here so perhaps you don't understand that this is a technical forum, not just a social media site where folks spout off with whatever they feel like. That means providing proof of statements like that. Halong has been putting up far too many brand-new accounts to disseminate their marketing spiels for us to 'just believe'. here you go bud https://imgur.com/gallery/TRRGO |
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I am sure the inside heat sinks will look like the s-9 and not the avalon. If I get my promised demo I will open case and look at heat sinks.
actually there are already T1 boards photos on the internets |
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I got a postal tracking number today that may be the dragon mint or not.
have you had a chance to check if dimensions/weight are similar to the miner box with PSU box |
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Max. order is 68000 apparently. Not sure if it is actually the current batch numbers or even a valid quantity. Still, that's amounts to a whole lotta wampum.
That would bring the network hashrate to 143 PH which is exactly 100 times the current. So profitability would be $4-5/day. Of course it would be insane to release 68000 at the same time, not to mention i don't think they have the production capacity. They haven't even shipped a single 16T miner yet.. 68000 off first release would be a monumental task, i would think a tenth of that for the first batch. Will be watching this one from afar but looks like bitmain has a serious competitor if they can produce at mass rates Exactly, I think anything between 5-10k units too. If they release 10k it would be the exact same situation as with Bitmain's A3 - a few days of $100-200/day if you're one of the first and then gradually settle at $40/day. But the other interesting factor is what will Bitmain's reaction be - there is no way they aren't working on a Decred ASIC too, so I'd expect them to react immediately and release something in the next couple of weeks, even if it's a smaller count than originally planned. In the end the big loser is of course Obelisk, which got absolutely crushed between these two giants (Halong is still a giant only on paper though). for your consideration there’s were 5000 A3s in the first batch |
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