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I had 3500 HIF units. I was lucky enough to see the posted report before the email, and got out at a measily average of .0003 , didnt even bother waiting for the dividend payout. My 4 months of waiting for dividends gained me an incredible 77 cents Canadian! Bazooka Joe, here I come!
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Why is the report in this weird landscape format, like it was made in powerpoint?
Haha, it definitely was made in powerpoint. What a joke, an additional 10 day wait for a 6 slide powerpoint full of useless information. Please also note, theyve given "owner" permission to the document, so only HIF shareholders can view the doc. After I rid myself of the useless shares, I can no longer see it. Hopefully future buyers have enough sense to check out the fund here before buying |
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Dividend value is posted (albeit incredibly disappointing), but I have not had received any bitcoin to my account.
Also, there is nothing in the report outlining what the "expenses" are made up of.
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Report should be out tomorrow at the latest!
CPA doing a final review at the moment.
Thank you for your patience.
Havelock Investments
I thought the deadline was the 10th? Which means it should be out today! 10 Business Days (14th) |
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Will the dividends be paid out at the time of the financial report (which was promised to be released within the next 2 business days)?
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I know very well that Havelock is neither a casino nor a mining operation. You are a financial services company. It's not possible for your investors to know what the number of funds listed is (who pay a monthly fee!) nor the number of funds in the pipeline unless you disclose this information. A key part of your Prospectus makes clear that growth in a vital part of your plans, and I want to know how the actual results you have experienced in this first quarter compare with the projections you made in the Prospectus.
The whole reason I bring this up is that I tried to develop a spreadsheet model of your revenues and expenses. I have a good handle on the expenses assuming that the Prospectus projections are accurate. But I simply can't generate any monthly (or quarterly) revenue projections because they depend on information that Havelock is yet to publicly disclose. Come on --this is a whole week after Q1 ended, and if several of your existing funds issue monthly reports--including HMF--then so can HIF. Havelock can and should be a best practices model for the funds you manage, especially in the communications department.
I do hope that when the first quarterly report is distributed your investors get this detailed information. We need it to make informed decisions about our investment in HIF. And since we trade much more frequently than quarterly, I believe that monthly updates from Havelock are important. Thank you!
+1 I too have found it impossible to make any kind of projections based on the information available. Im also still waiting on the dividend payout. I explicitly asked when the first dividends will be paid, and was answered with "Hello kuikmaa, Dividends are paid on a Quarterly basis. The first Full Quarter will be the 1st Quarter of 2014 03/31/2014. It will also include income from the month of December 2013, which was the First Full month after the issuance of the Fund. Thank you, Havelock Investments" which led me to believe they would be paid out on the 1st, not up to 2 weeks later. Will these dividends include the first 2 weeks of March now? Where is the regulation? |
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This may have been covered in a past comment, but Id rather not sift through thread after thread of irrelevant bitching and complaining. Is there any word on when the first dividends are to be paid out? The prospectus states quarterly, so I would have assumed Jan 1 would have been the first payout. Am I missing something?
Hello kuikmaa, Dividends are paid on a Quarterly basis. The first Full Quarter will be the 1st Quarter of 2014 03/31/2014. It will also include income from the month of December 2013, which was the First Full month after the issuance of the Fund. Thank you, Havelock Investments Great, thanks for your quick reply! |
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This may have been covered in a past comment, but Id rather not sift through thread after thread of irrelevant bitching and complaining. Is there any word on when the first dividends are to be paid out? The prospectus states quarterly, so I would have assumed Jan 1 would have been the first payout. Am I missing something?
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Withdrawing my ask in anticipation of the new upcoming trading system!
What new trading system? Quote from Labrats post on Dec 21: "The trading platform is next on my list after making stats public, as I said I was busy through thursday of this past week. From here on out I should have worlds of time to throw at making LRM everything it should be. I am going to be updating the website this weekend as well as moving the hardware to a new pool. Nothing should experience 2 weeks of holding again, but that helped out the company more than you'll know." |
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It's good to see the gap between ask/bid is closing again, means more and better market for trading shares.
Now all we need is to start trading more than a couple bonds every few days :-P |
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Why so much attention in pandering to those who just want to trade the stock?
It's not a stock. And it's questionably a bond. Anyway, I don't think there is too much attention allotted to those that want to trade the bonds. Some would like to sell, but the price is very depressed. Why? It seems in-part because it can't be easily traded. Evidence of that is just looking at the price pre- and post- Bitfunder. So, if a person decides to sell now, they are forced to take a deeper loss because of a lack of a any easy/fast trading procedure. Why should someone that merely changes their mind on a holding be required to sell their position for a loss in-part because the way to trade it is only a little better than making a craigslist posting? +1 That's me in a nutshell. +2, I made a similar post a few pages ago. Someone brought up a good point, the incentive to setup an easy trade procedure isnt there since the LRM funds have already been raised, and the company as a whole isnt affected by the current buy/sell price. I think we can all agree that having a more automated method of trading bonds would both sell the "LRM direct" bonds much faster, and entice more buyers and sellers to get involved. Ive been with LRM since the beginning, and dont plan on selling for a while, but knowing the valuation of the bond was still somewhat retained when i do decide to sell would make me much more comfortable. |
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havelock?
What about btcinve.com?
While I haven't heard anything concrete, I don't think Lab_Rat is considering a third-party exchange. BitFunder burned a lot of people pretty badly, and any exchange that gets big enough is going to run the risk of attracting legal attention from the US and having to shut down. I have gotten the impression (which may be incorrect) that Lab_Rat is investigating an "in house" solution that will allow the automated trading of LRM bonds (and only LRM bonds). grnbrg. For myself, risk isnt a factor since Ive been with LRM from the beginning, and know the process that lead to the forum trading. I have no question in security, and trust 100% that If I want to buy or sell on here that everything will go smoothly. The issue as I see it lies in perceived credibility. When new BTC investors are looking for places to put their money, having an automated trading process looks much more credible than forum trading. Having an in-house solution would most definitely remedy this. The other issue as I see it is that there are 2 separate forums for LRM. While this is necessary to isolate the trade threads, it makes it difficult for new buyers to see things like historical dividend payments, number of bonds sold, future company plans, etc. Just my 2 cents. |
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And just to be clear - grnbrg is an awesome human being. Don't think I prefer the company of a cold, calculating exchange algorithm to grnbrg. Its just this whole liquidity thing. You understand, right grnbrg?
Completely. As much as I enjoy helping Lab_Rat out with this, and as staggeringly cool as it is to have my phone go "Bing! Someone just sent you $2000+!" I will not be sad to see an automated platform. Much more liquidity, and much less of a PITA for myself. grnbrg. havelock? +1 for Havelock. I believe the current fees are: Listing Fee - 5% of raised capital per fund Monthly Maintenance Fee - 1BTC / Month Exchange Fees - 0.4% of any SOLD unit This will eat into our profits, but I would imagine having a reliable and easily accessible means of trading our bonds would bring in a lot more action (especially with the latest LRM announcements). I know if I were getting into BTC, I would be very deterred to purchase bonds through a forum. |
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Hi there,
Im transitioning from the BFL forums to bitcointalk. I have owned LRM bonds for many many months (proof at request of mods), and also mine independently. I have not needed to create a bitcointalk account up until this point (long time lurker though!), but all of the LRM trading has moved to these forums. Please whitelist me.
thanks,
kuikmaa
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