I just won $20 at FreeBitco.in!

My user id is 11477485.

My winning seeds: https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=aead8f389349979df1e409248ae984a269f53731c963bf692f244191890cd28d&client_seed=f463982cc510050f688f58b375bcc1b0c61fb9b66ef94bba978f527e063fc7fe&server_seed_hash=ae3fa7201ce2388a80fcc3f8b800861e44181d16a975fd3a38c9485355014f67&nonce=46670

I can confirm your accusations that the free roll tiers 4 through 6 are rigged. I have only a little bit more than 10000 free rolls, however I also record all rolls and automatically check whether the server seed hash displayed before and after the roll are identical. In 99.9% of all rolls they match, but in 1 roll out of 1000 it is changed. This would approximately match the probabilities of tier 4 through 6. I guess nobody reading this belives it and thinks we are just some random trolls so I can just urge you to check it yourself, then you will find out the truth!

Another clear indicate that something is strange about high winnings can be found in the Freebitco.in high-winnings-thread where people post their 20$ (tier 5) and 200$ (tier 6) rolls. Statistically tier 5 should be four times more likely than tier 6, so the ratio of 20$:200$ winnings should be 4:1. Last time I checked it, the posts in this thread however showed thatvthe actual ratio is more like 20:1, which is a clear indicate that the 200$ winnings are somehow suppressed.

After all I don't mind too as I can get something for free, so I don't complain about it, however, I would appreciate to see the actual probabilities instead ob the obvios wrong ones from the payout table!

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I see and fully understand that you do not trust some random persons in some forum - For good resons actually. However, I cannot think of a way to actually proof the accusations. Even if I would screen-record every single roll until I come to a manipulated one, you would probably believe that the video was edited or the website was manipulated in the browser. Therefore, I guess everybody has to find out the truth for themselves.

Please compare the server seed hashs displayed before and after the roll and eventually you will stumble upon one where it changes. Although this is very rare, those are the manipulated rolls and then you will believe us. I would really like to provide a better proof, but as said: I cannot think of a way to do so.

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I think this is because the value of a reward point is given in $ and not satoshi. I assume 1 RP is supposed to have a valie of 0.0001$ and the corresponding amount of satoshi is being rounded down. As long as the BTC value was above 5000$ this resulated in a value of 1 satoshi, but since BTC dropped below 5000$ it's value is 2 satoshi. You will also notice that the lottery tickes now cost 2 satoshi too and I'm pretty sure it is connected to the BTC dropping below 5000$ value.

As this is allowed, is it also allowed to refer the one account by the other one to get referral comissions? (Of course using Free Rolls only on one account)

This sounds strange. Depositis to the Freebitco.in addresses are being credited after 1 confirmation to 100% at once.

In this case your witdrawn amount will be deposited back to you right after the transaction was confirmed.
You only loose the paid transaction fee but this should not matter too much.

Unfortunatly confirmed BTC transactions are irreversible and there is no cheat or something like this.
This means if you no longer have access to your old wallet address, your BTC are lost forever.

Ok, I was not believing it in the first place, but I noticed the same thing using my script.
I was rolling a lot the last several days to finally cash in all my reward points with 1000% boni.

Today around 5:42 UTC I rolled and the script alerted me!
The hash of the server seed before the roll was "e0dae012326019db972797e41a3edee109d0b9c8859c704ac9f984fcb3251729".
After the roll the hash of the pervious server seed was "81c07a9aba1b10da9a757d339a3e05a5cb7466d13c0c8abf3e72bb3b9f85aa7e".

It is obvious that the server seed hash changed and therefore also the server seed changed and the result of the roll changed!
The server seed of the second hash is "7d65304764de4888be843be666980845aa129f8b95eb490e66aa42017b080eb0".
My client seed was "21aeb50085fe13a3e35f1052acb0f91fdeab588264f2fc64462fd071b0fcae6e".
The nonce of the roll was 3658.
This leads to a 1507 being rolled (https://s3.amazonaws.com/roll-verifier/verify.html?server_seed=7d65304764de4888be843be666980845aa129f8b95eb490e66aa42017b080eb0&client_seed=21aeb50085fe13a3e35f1052acb0f91fdeab588264f2fc64462fd071b0fcae6e&server_seed_hash=81c07a9aba1b10da9a757d339a3e05a5cb7466d13c0c8abf3e72bb3b9f85aa7e&nonce=3658)

I will definitly report this to TheQuin and ask him about the server seed of the first hash, because what I really want to know now is what the result would have been with the real server seed!

I know that there is no way prooving that I did not fake these numbers, but I cannot think of a way to do so.
I attach an pdf with all the hashs recorded by my script to this post, so that you can see I actually recorded them. The upper ones are the most recent ones and the changed ones are marked red.

The link to the pdf: https://docdro.id/gROgDL2

Forme it worked. I started a 1000% BTC and a 100 RP reward yesterday around 16 o clock and from the time remaining they will run til 22 o clock today.

Hmm, this sounds interesting, but I don't want to just believe you.
I have set up a small script now which automatically compares and records the hashes before and after the roll.
If the phenomena is a s rare as you say it will take some time til I get a result.

Pure probability and statistic laws say that 14.5 out of 10000 results gives you one of the 4 highes winning classes which means on average every 700th roll will be of one of this classes.
I rolled now about 3300 times and had 3 results in these classes. On average I should have had 4.7 which is pretty close.
Statistically it could just be bad luck, but I'm curious what my recors say after another 1000 or more rolls.

Well I would not call it an advantage cause the bots participating also decrease the chances of ll honest users to win.
In fact they would be an advantage if accounts flagged as bots woulb not be allowed to win the lottery as it was proposed several times.
One could for exmple just rise the nonce of the lottery drawing by 1 if a bot accound was selected to win although this causes problems if the bot detection system flags a dedicated real user.

Fortunatly I know exactly how much I have wagered, because it was every time the exact same amount and the amount of multiply rolls is exactly the difference between all rolls and free rolls.
Furthermore the spent you highligthed refers to the amount with which lottery tickets were purchased so I think "spent" is the correct term.

I cannot gurantee that the values are 100% right since there is always a little fluctuation in the bitcoin price and I cannot pinpoint the exact position of the border.
Still these values give you a rough feeling for how much you need to wager or spend on lottery tickets.

I can give you a rough estimate:
Since I just crossed the border between getting the full reward and not I know I'm quite close to the border.
We know that we need 50$ deposits to get the full reward, we further know that lottery tickets are weigthed with 20, the wagered amount with 4 and that both are being put into relation to the amount we earned from free rolls. The only thing we don't know is the weigthing of it. By some calculations with the amount I had when I crossed the border I calculated this weigthing to be about 14. This means that the sum of the amount spent on tickets multiplied with 20 and the amount wagered multiplied by 4 has to be 14 times as high as the amount earned from free rolls.
Of course this assumes a linear correlation, but I would be very surprised if the correlation were'nt linear.

In the end this means you would have to spent either 70% of the amount earned from free rolls on lottery tickets or wager 3.5 times as much in multiply assuming you have no bitcoins in your account!

Of course these are just rough calculations, but they give you a feeling for how much you have to spent to get the regular reward.

Hi,

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I requested a withdrawl yesterday evening and it was processed today around noon without any problems.
Transaction: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/21ef5b7af128803dce0e7fcded39f8e0715659b0355d38b07ce7f52041daff76

Thanks for the great faucet at approximatly 8 satoshis per claim it gives a very good average of 144 satoshi per hour.
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Thanks.

Well mine is at 17 Satoshi too at the moment. I think the connection between halfed and regular reward is not a cut off, but a smooth connection, so the more you spent, the more your bonus will go up until it finally reaches the regular reward.
The reason for your friend getting a differnent reward than you is that there are many factors to take into account. Besides the lottery tickets bought also the amount wagered in Multiply and the balace of your account is taken into account. Although there are only few information on this, it was confirmed that if you hold 50$ worth BTC in your account, you will get the regular reward. I would assume that your friend has either wagered more or a higher balance than you. Furthermore I assume the amount you already won in Free Rolls is also taken into account, so not the absolute amount spent in Lottery and Multiply is relevant but the relative amount of everything you claimed so far. This would mean if your friend has won less in Free Play it could explain the difference too.

The thing with the half probability is easy: They generate a number from 0 to 4,294,967,296 and then divide it by 429,496.7296 resulting in a number from 0 to 10,000 which is then rounded giving the rolled number. All numbers from 0 to 0.4999999... will be rounded down to 0 resulting in a rolled 0. All numbers from 9,999.5 to 10,000 will be rounded up and result in a rolled 10,000. If I now look for example at the 5,000, it is being rolled either if a number from 4,999.5 to 5,000 is rounded up or if a number from 5,000 to 5,000.499999... is rounded down. In other words a 0 can only be resched by rounding down and a 10,000 only by rounding up while every other number can be reached either by rounding up or down. Therefore the 0 and the 10,000 are only half as probable as all other numbers.

To the average: There is only ONE AVERAGE. Of course if you roll, there is always a probability not hitting average, but the more often you roll the more close your average claim amount gets to the global average. To demonstrate the calculation of the global average lets assume all numbers were equally probabale because that easies the calculations. Because of this I assume all numbers would be rolled exactly once to make all numbers appear exactly with the same probability as proposed. Then I sum up all rewards I would get by rolling each number once and divide by 10,001, because I summed up the rewards of 10,001 numbers.

If this is still unclear, please read some literature about stochastics, because I don't think I can explain this very well in this thread, but I am 100% sure that my calculations are correct.

What you are saying is absolutly true. Every roll is an independent event, so the chance to roll a 10000 is always the same. The statistical average can be calculated easy:
You multiply every reward with it's probability and sum them up. You have to note for this that the 0 and the 10000 have only half the probability as all other numbers. (That was discussed multiple times before and is true!) By doing this you basically assume that in 20000 rolls you will roll one time the 0 and the 10000 and two times all other numbers. Of course you can roll 20000 without rolling the 10000 once, but you can also roll the 10000 one, two three ... times in the 20000 rolls. By calculating the average you calculate these fluctuations out. If you roll infinite times you will hit exactly the average and if you roll like 2000000 times, you will get close to it.

If you are a legit player, you roll maybe 15 times a day. With this speed you need almost 370 years to get to 2000000 rolls, but if you are a bot user with 1000 bots that claim 24/7, you get 2000000 rolls in less than 90 days! Therefore legit players can't really calculate with the AVERAGE claim amount because they would need just way too long to get to an amount of claims where the fluctuations are negliable. A bot user can claculate with the AVERAGE claim amount because he will reach a very large amount of claims in a few months.

Because of this a legit user is motly affected by the minimum claim amount and the lower reward stages. A bot user can calculate with a income close to statistical AVERAGE because of negliable statistical fluctuations and is therfore mostly affected by the higher reward stages and not the minimum reward.

Since only the minimum reward was changed, bot users are only a bit affected by it. It's all pure statistics.

I understand that you trust wetsuit more - I would do so in your position too.
But please forward my criticism to wetsuit, because I'm confident that what I wrote is correct.

I suspect you did not even read my post, did not understand it or did not want it to be true!

I don't care about the stuff solosss says cause I suspect him being just a troll. A real bot user would not complain this loud, cause as I said:
The income of bot users with lots of accounts ONLY DECREASED BY ~7% OR 10 SATOSHI!!!
This is basically nothing to them, so a real bot user would just continue to earn from your site even if they have running costs!

Well surprise surprise: I'M NO BOT USER!!!
But as many other legit users affected by this!

All these measures won't stop bot users just because of one reason:
Bot users can calculate with the AVERAGE claim amount, because for example if a bot user has 1000 accounts that claim 24/7, he will roll a 10000 almost every day - It's pure statistics. Therefore the amount bot users will calculate with is the AVERAGE claim amount, not the MINIMUM. The AVERAGE claim amount is currently around 172 satoshi. Before you halfed the MINIMUM reward it was like 10 satoshi higher, so not significaltly different. All this does only apply to users with lots of accounts, cause they will hit the high rewards in reasonable time. Regular users will need multiple years because of the low chances.

This basically means: You measures against bots affect regular users much more than bot users with many accounts!!! This is riddiculous!!!

Anyway there is still a possibility to hurt bot users while not hurting regular users and this would be my preferred measure: If you half ALL rewards and half the TIME BETWEEN 2 CLAIMS, the average amount per time will stay the same, but you have to solve twice as much Captchas for it, so regular users will be able to claim the exact same amount, but the costs for bot users will double! This is annoying to regular users, but will not affect their income.

Anyway I understand that you want to hurt users that don't generate income, but please don't be that hypocritical saying it is all against bots. As I just proved it mainly affects users that don't generate income for the site and there would be measures that would actually affect bots, but you don't take them.

If you now want to say I should just deposit some money to be counted as a user: I would never even think about investing real money into a website with a information policy as horrible as yours!!! You take measures that even you, the community manager, does not know anything about. It would be no effort to inform about the measures with a banner or so on the website, but you decided to make everything as silent as possible - How come?