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1  Economy / Gambling / Re: MakeBTC.org is the best passive BTC income invest on: February 16, 2014, 11:14:59 PM
13.33 BTC to go before next bank, it seems like a lot, I think the bonus are going to get higher which will attract deposits and bank will go faster but the owner may have to change a bit the rules to keep it going, we will see

Gamble responsably, this is more or so a pyramid, the positive point beeing that the owner is advertising the website heavily and that he is ready to change the rules to keep the party going so it may well pass a few other banks, who knows

I know the owner for a while and he is a very good guy. He is working and working to make the site better. He will take care to keep the site going. He is a smart guy. And if there is a prblem he will solve the problem. I know that!
2  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme on: February 09, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
simple maths will tell you what to do  Wink


They'll all collapse at some point, but the people who get in early wont care as long as they get out with profit.

   Those, who really understand how MakeBTC works with level selling, know that this is not pyramid anymore.

Mr MakeBTC is correct, this is not a pyramid scheme in the exponential sense of the diagram above. For example, as of now to reach level 16 we need about another 6 BTC. Then to reach level 17 we will need 17 BTC. If history is any judge, 25% to 50% of those 17 BTC will be reinvested from those who received BTC from level 16. The remaining amount will come from new investors, or possibly from old investors adding new funds (who are in this situation equivalent to new investors).

So technically it is correct that new investors are required to reach each bank, and in that sense MakeBTC has some qualities of a pyramid scheme. However, the amount of BTC required to reach each bank is so small in comparison to the number of BTC in existence it is quite plausible to think that new investors entering even now, will make a profit on their investment. At some point in the future, new investors may slow down so much that it will take so long to reach a new bank, that it will be clear that it would take years to clear a profit. But we are a long way from there at the moment.

The fact that existing investors can now "cash out" by selling their acculmulated levels for BTC (at a discount) also makes it easier to lock in profits after having reached a few banks.

The interactions between beetje2007, opnoskatt and Mr MakeBTC on this forum have been very instructive; MakeBTC has shown itself to be transparent, honest and willing to fix problems. As far as I can tell, this forum is the only place on the internet (!) where MakeBTC has been discussed in detail, and with the owner participating.

 Absolute agree with you Cognitive2013. Mr Makebtc has shown that he is absolutly prepared to solve the problem which is solved on his site. He is open for comment and a very honest man. Thats why I deposit again on his site. I think he is a very smart guy so the site will remain. New and old investors will see that the profits will grow and grow. I think we all gonne have a lot of fun with this site. Very interesting!!
3  Economy / Gambling / Re: MakeBTC.org is the best passive BTC income invest on: February 08, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
i am one of the first user to register at makebtc.org and im happy to say that ive already got pretty decent income in the span of 1 month..i think makebtc.org is the best passive income site there is right now...


so for all you detractors out there, shut the **** Up and go cry to your mama's!!

Hahaha, funny reaction. If you were in the same position as I WAS I think you should react also. Mr Makebtc solved the problem very good and he is a honest man. But dont talk like this if you dont know what you are talking about.
This site is very trusyable, I HAD some problems but they are fixed very well so dont hasitate to deposit. This site will stay for a very long time!!!!
4  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme on: February 07, 2014, 07:49:37 PM
1.03BTC deposited yesterday and 0.6BTC today at 3PM, I think players are entering before the makeBTC adds are on the forum this weekend

They enjoy the 65%-66% bonus and are in for the ride

To all again. After my last post here at he forum Mr Makebtc contacted me. I have a lot of confidence that he will solve the problem. He deposit some amount (to be honest not all yet) in my wallet. He investigated and admit that something was wrong with the payment. He will do anything to solve the problem. So guys, not everything is in my wallet but that he admit is for me a very good signal. I am glad for myself but most of all for all the people who invested in Makebtc.org.
@Opnoskatt, I dont know mhow you think about it but the scam thing can be removed in my opinion.
I keep you guys updated for the rest of the payments.

BTW: to show you guys I am serious I deposit BTC, you can see in the logs....
5  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme on: February 07, 2014, 07:45:09 PM
1.03BTC deposited yesterday and 0.6BTC today at 3PM, I think players are entering before the makeBTC adds are on the forum this weekend

They enjoy the 65%-66% bonus and are in for the ride

To all again. After my last post here at he forum Mr Makebtc contacted me. I have a lot of confidence that he will solve the problem. He deposit some amount (to be honest not all yet) in my wallet. He investigated and admit that something was wrong with the payment. He will do anything to solve the problem. So guys, not everything is in my wallet but that he admit is for me a very good signal. I am glad for myself but most of all for all the people who invested in Makebtc.org.
@Opnoskatt, I dont know mhow you think about it but the scam thing can be removed in my opinion.
I keep you guys updated for the rest of the payments.
6  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 06, 2014, 09:39:48 AM
"
Auction ended. Final result:
Slots BTC/Slot Person
2 1.70 darbsllim
1 1.70 ppanther
1 1.70 LuckyBitSupport
1 1.65 MakeBTC
3 1.65 CEX     "

The add campaign should start tomorrox 130,000 impressions a day

Good luck guys. Mr MakeBTC thinks I am a deceiver. I am just an honest man. I hope you guys dont get in trouble with your ' inversments', you will all lose. Sorry to say. If Mr makebtc investigated it and corrected it I wouls make apology. He will not help me so good luck guys with this SCAM site.
You all can read his answer to mail at thois forum (yesterday)
I hope Mr Makebtc joine my over 4 BTC and that should make him rich. Hopefully he is very very very happy with the 4 BTC.
7  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme on: February 05, 2014, 06:08:55 PM
We don't recommend you to register and deposit in bitvesor because of we had found it's creators and had filed a lawsuit on them. So this site will be closed soon.

"Yes your honor I'd like to file a claim against bitvestor for infringement on our propriety concept known as a 'Ponzi-scheme"
*handcuff clicking noise*

That's like calling the cops because somebody stole your bag of crack.

I'm sure some people will make profits with this but it's only a matter of time until this turns all bitbond-y and the SEC is taking action. I haven't done a whois on the domain but if either site has any connection to the actual owners of the funds then i'd start sweating if I were the owners. Just because you put up a risk of loss disclaimer doesn't mean you are off the hook. Again, that'd be like a crack dealer putting a warning on their bags "may be addictive" and expecting use that as a defense in court.
From SEC.gov:
"With little or no legitimate earnings, Ponzi schemes require a consistent flow of money from new investors to continue. Ponzi schemes tend to collapse when it becomes difficult to recruit new investors or when a large number of investors ask to cash out."

Let me fix your post while i'm at it:
We don't recommend you to register and deposit in bitvesor because of we had found it's creators and had filed a lawsuit on them. So this site* will be closed soon.

*makebtc.org




if you understand how the system works you realize that such a system could live forever.

If you believe in fairytails everthing is possible. I thought you should give me the paylog in private form. Now I understand why I didnt receive that! You dont have it......
I dont believe in fairytails, to old for that......lol. Good luck Mr Makrbtc of shall I call you Mr Fairytail. Good luck with stealing money from honest people. If you guys wanne see my wallet, my receivings from MakeBTC it is no problem. I will post them. I am an open and an honest man.
8  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 05, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
Fist of all I want to say that whit my logs all is OK I recived my BTC in my wallet no problem
MakeBTC fix the issue of Beetje before friday or the advertisements you payed for will be money in the water.
Nobody likes to invest / gamble in something that does not pay when it should.
If beetje is wrong please explain online using proof or pay the guy his money.

You can all read thr answer of mr. MakeBTC. He is here to help you but if you have a problem he wont help you unless you keep promoting his site. Is you mail him with your problem over the site please be polite guys. Adore the man because if you tell the truth overhere he wont do research what happend and dont correct the failure in his site. When you tell the truth he would say, like he did to me, that you are a cheater and tell lies. So I hope you all read his comment and also I hope you guys dont get in trouble. He wont solve it fot you. He believes in fairytails. @ Opnoskatt: in my opinion you should not remove the scam thing. On the other site, if you remove he might help you. Its up to you. Wish ypu guys all the luck with mr Makebtc. If he corrected I should make apology overhere amd deposit again but after his very professional answer I am more then done with this guy.
9  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 05, 2014, 11:15:47 AM
For what it is worth, I've noticed the pay to address for my account disappears from time to time, usually around changes in the code. It goes from populated to blank. When I see this, I promptly repopulate the field and save it so as not to get caught. And I tend to remain conscious of pay cycles to monitor that. Again, from my IT background I'm conscious of things like that and look for it.

It would be horrible if something along that line happened during your large payment cycle, beetje2007, and the timing of your similar monitoring was off a bit. But the site's internal, non-public logs should demonstrate if and where the payment was sent. MakeBTC probably has already checked along these lines, but I offer it from my experience in case he hadn't audited it that way.

From how it effects me, personally, it is a simple bug, irritating nothing malicious. However, if it caught beetje2007's funds, I can see a much different interpretation. Regardless, I expect MakeBTC to find the root cause and make it right beetje2007 as well as for everyone's success.

To all: this is the answer from mr Makebtc. I have to deal with it. Good luck to you all. Or I dont understand the message but he believes in fairytails.......:
Re: (No subject)
« Sent to: beetje2007 on: Today at 09:26:09 AM »
Reply with quoteQuote  ReplyReply  Remove this messageDelete 
I even don't want to check nothing for you anymore after you wrote about us. I'm working now on my global improvement, site will change a lot, after will rewrite code and recalculate all what happened that day. And if there was a bug and u did not received your money you will receive them then. But it looks like you are deceiver. I help people. You try to prevent it. Good and evil don't you think? =) I believe in fairy tales so good one wins =) Good luck to you man.
10  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 04, 2014, 09:44:38 PM
beetje2007 since it is most probably a mistake in the system, maybe you can delete the negative title of the thread, you can always put it back in case you don't receive everything that should, I hope you will but I think we can be fairly optimistic here

makeBTC is still very much on his way to get the add slot on bitcointalk, 1 200 000 add impressions starting on Friday, that should bring a few deposits!!

There is a new feature that is doing exactly what I suggested should be done : you can sell your level at the price you want, if you sell it with a 60% discount, the next depositor will get a 60% bonus; so if I calculate correctly :

-you deposit 1BTC now, your level will be 1.66 with the 66%bonus
-first bank 0.22income+50%=0.33 so your level is now 2BTC, you doubled in one bank!
-second bank 0.25income+50%=0.37 so your level is now 2.37BTC
-third bank you will get approximatively an income equals to 50% of what you deposit, income that can be entirely cashed out like all other incomes, pretty nice!

And when Mr Makebtc contact me, tells me he is investigating and will correct I will be the first one who deposits again. But till now nothing form the site. You could be very optimistic but I am very curious if you miss the amount I miss if you stay optimistic. This is absolutly no attack nut the facts. I hope you understand what I mean.

Oh I very well understand, I am optimistic about your situation&opnoskatt's and makeBTC has been opened about it so I was hoping opnoskatt could remove the negative comment about makeBTC in the title to let everyone get its own impression from the thread, it may also increase your chances to get the money that is missing if there was an error in the system, the money hasn't been missing for very long now

I just verified if I received the 0.02 I cashed out from last bank and I did received it within 24h of when we passed bank 15. I will keep updating everyone on wether I receive my withdraws or not but I am pretty confident I will and may deposit more; no hard feelings

My 'little' income has been received but the 'big' one not. And he could be open but so far I didnt hear anything. And I am less optimstic then you are. I am sorry
11  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 04, 2014, 07:06:12 PM
Fist of all I want to say that whit my logs all is OK I recived my BTC in my wallet no problem
MakeBTC fix the issue of Beetje before friday or the advertisements you payed for will be money in the water.
Nobody likes to invest / gamble in something that does not pay when it should.
If beetje is wrong please explain online using proof or pay the guy his money.

Thanks for the support! And yes, if I am wrong (and I am not!) proof it overhere. Fine with me!!
12  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 04, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
beetje2007 since it is most probably a mistake in the system, maybe you can delete the negative title of the thread, you can always put it back in case you don't receive everything that should, I hope you will but I think we can be fairly optimistic here

makeBTC is still very much on his way to get the add slot on bitcointalk, 1 200 000 add impressions starting on Friday, that should bring a few deposits!!

There is a new feature that is doing exactly what I suggested should be done : you can sell your level at the price you want, if you sell it with a 60% discount, the next depositor will get a 60% bonus; so if I calculate correctly :

-you deposit 1BTC now, your level will be 1.66 with the 66%bonus
-first bank 0.22income+50%=0.33 so your level is now 2BTC, you doubled in one bank!
-second bank 0.25income+50%=0.37 so your level is now 2.37BTC
-third bank you will get approximatively an income equals to 50% of what you deposit, income that can be entirely cashed out like all other incomes, pretty nice!

And when Mr Makebtc contact me, tells me he is investigating and will correct I will be the first one who deposits again. But till now nothing form the site. You could be very optimistic but I am very curious if you miss the amount I miss if you stay optimistic. This is absolutly no attack nut the facts. I hope you understand what I mean.

Oh I very well understand, I am optimistic about your situation&opnoskatt's and makeBTC has been opened about it so I was hoping opnoskatt could remove the negative comment about makeBTC in the title to let everyone get its own impression from the thread, it may also increase your chances to get the money that is missing if there was an error in the system, the money hasn't been missing for very long now

I just verified if I received the 0.02 I cashed out from last bank and I did received it within 24h of when we passed bank 15. I will keep updating everyone on wether I receive my withdraws or not but I am pretty confident I will and may deposit more; no hard feelings

I plan to modify the thread name back to normal and post a formal apology as soon as makebtc fixes the problems.  Allowing people to blindly invest knowing they are likely to end up with the same fate is something I just can't do.  I'll also continue heavily advertising their site as soon as this is resolved (I was running 4 separate add campaigns). 

Totally agree with you Opnoskatt. When he fix the problems I also make a formal apology and even will deposit again. But untill now nothing. Happy that Opnoskatt and myself are very critical about this site. I have sent MakeBTC 2 more private messages overhere but again, no reaction. I dont like this even you guys dont like it. And I am sorry but at this moment I cant be positive about this site. And everybody can make mistakes but this has to do with trust of all of us in his site.
13  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 04, 2014, 04:05:12 PM
beetje2007 since it is most probably a mistake in the system, maybe you can delete the negative title of the thread, you can always put it back in case you don't receive everything that should, I hope you will but I think we can be fairly optimistic here

makeBTC is still very much on his way to get the add slot on bitcointalk, 1 200 000 add impressions starting on Friday, that should bring a few deposits!!

There is a new feature that is doing exactly what I suggested should be done : you can sell your level at the price you want, if you sell it with a 60% discount, the next depositor will get a 60% bonus; so if I calculate correctly :

-you deposit 1BTC now, your level will be 1.66 with the 66%bonus
-first bank 0.22income+50%=0.33 so your level is now 2BTC, you doubled in one bank!
-second bank 0.25income+50%=0.37 so your level is now 2.37BTC
-third bank you will get approximatively an income equals to 50% of what you deposit, income that can be entirely cashed out like all other incomes, pretty nice!

And when Mr Makebtc contact me, tells me he is investigating and will correct I will be the first one who deposits again. But till now nothing form the site. You could be very optimistic but I am very curious if you miss the amount I miss if you stay optimistic. This is absolutly no attack nut the facts. I hope you understand what I mean.
14  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 04, 2014, 03:56:15 PM
beetje2007 since it is most probably a mistake in the system, maybe you can delete the negative title of the thread, you can always put it back in case you don't receive everything that should, I hope you will but I think we can be fairly optimistic here

makeBTC is still very much on his way to get the add slot on bitcointalk, 1 200 000 add impressions starting on Friday, that should bring a few deposits!!

There is a new feature that is doing exactly what I suggested should be done : you can sell your level at the price you want, if you sell it with a 60% discount, the next depositor will get a 60% bonus; so if I calculate correctly :

-you deposit 1BTC now, your level will be 1.66 with the 66%bonus
-first bank 0.22income+50%=0.33 so your level is now 2BTC, you doubled in one bank!
-second bank 0.25income+50%=0.37 so your level is now 2.37BTC
-third bank you will get approximatively an income equals to 50% of what you deposit, income that can be entirely cashed out like all other incomes, pretty nice!

I am not the owner of this Forum and I didnt put the name on it. But if I was I shouldnt delete it because I didnt get any respons from mr Mamebtc. The only thing I heard is he will show things in private from. And your calculation is correct, and all your incomes are pretty. There is only 1 important thing. You can make a lot of money like you mentioned but when you dont receive anything in your wallet it is still a loss!!!! As you know I sold over 10 BTC level, I get paid a little and I still miss 4.182051 BTC. So good story but with no payments everybody loses!
15  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 04, 2014, 10:00:58 AM
We are going to see a lot of signing up & deposits starting Friday when makeBTC will start being advertised here so it should at least be entertaining&fun to watch, I deposited 0.2 and cashed out 0.02 so far so I have a long way to go  Smiley

Was he successful in winning the advert auction?

It is looking good, we will know for sure by Wednesday, you can follow the advert auction here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434288.msg4788025#msg4788025

@beetje2007 I would never tell you to say nothing because it would scare new depositors off, you have every right to tell your problem; to be honest I don't want to advertise the website because I know people could end up loosing money without knowing what they were doing but I couldn't help myself&deposited twice, I would even deposit again if I was letting myself be more crazy  Tongue



I know who pays for the advertisement...................................

All bitcoins from your level selling where withdrew to your bitcoin address which you wrote in your cabinet. I will show you the transactions in private form.

Funny thing is that I received just a few bitcoins at the same adress I always have in my cabinet. It is a very small amount and that's from the bonus from today. @Makebtc, could you sewnt me the payments because as I said earlier, I didnt receive anything from 30-01 at 06.46. Thanks
16  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 03, 2014, 08:48:35 PM
We are going to see a lot of signing up & deposits starting Friday when makeBTC will start being advertised here so it should at least be entertaining&fun to watch, I deposited 0.2 and cashed out 0.02 so far so I have a long way to go  Smiley

Was he successful in winning the advert auction?

It is looking good, we will know for sure by Wednesday, you can follow the advert auction here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434288.msg4788025#msg4788025

@beetje2007 I would never tell you to say nothing because it would scare new depositors off, you have every right to tell your problem; to be honest I don't want to advertise the website because I know people could end up loosing money without knowing what they were doing but I couldn't help myself&deposited twice, I would even deposit again if I was letting myself be more crazy  Tongue



I know who pays for the advertisement...................................

All bitcoins from your level selling where withdrew to your bitcoin address which you wrote in your cabinet. I will show you the transactions in private form.

Very curious about the transactions. I can show you a printscreen of my wallet and then you can see nothing from 30th jan 06.46 was paid in my wallet. I checked the bitcoinadress in my cabinet and it is the right one. These 2 payment from 30.01 where the last payments. After that nothing in my wallet from Makebtc.org.
05:49 KileasRane bought 0.5 BTC + 0.25 BTC bonus from beetje2007
03:29 jrshawts10 bought 0.031263 BTC + 0.015632 BTC bonus from beetje2007
17  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 02, 2014, 10:13:51 PM
We are going to see a lot of signing up & deposits starting Friday when makeBTC will start being advertised here so it should at least be entertaining&fun to watch, I deposited 0.2 and cashed out 0.02 so far so I have a long way to go  Smiley

Was he successful in winning the advert auction?

It is looking good, we will know for sure by Wednesday, you can follow the advert auction here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434288.msg4788025#msg4788025

@beetje2007 I would never tell you to say nothing because it would scare new depositors off, you have every right to tell your problem; to be honest I don't want to advertise the website because I know people could end up loosing money without knowing what they were doing but I couldn't help myself&deposited twice, I would even deposit again if I was letting myself be more crazy  Tongue



I know who pays for the advertisement...................................
18  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 02, 2014, 09:35:45 PM
"Fact is that IF Makebtc has a problem with our accounts they should tell us that they investigate and correct."

Absolutely agree, beetje2007, absolutely agree. You have distilled it perfectly in that statement. Proper and timely communication is the key. Without it, distrust builds quickly and hurts all.

Correct, and I am not here to hurt you all but warn that they dont do what they believe. I know you guys also have money in there so this 'advertisment' is also bad for you all. But it is the truth, I am sorry guys.
Thereby, the payment between the times is mentioned didnot receive in my wallet as well, so that couldnt be the reason.
19  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 02, 2014, 09:18:05 PM
quote author=jmalec link=topic=420881.msg4900774#msg4900774 date=1391375318]
After your last post, opnoskatt, I picked up on one common thread looking at the your public logs: Both you and beetje2007 made a purchase where you paid yourself a bonus. After that, things went awry.

From your posts I can very well see MakeBTC did not anticipate this and probably did not allow for it in their programming until after the fact, simplistically figuring when people cashiered they would not buy back in right away or at all. Oops, bad business analysis and testing for new code. It happens, seen too much of that in my career. Tidying it up properly is MakeBTC's problem, agreed, along with proper private communication to those involved.

I personally don't think there was an attempt to cheat as much as you stumbled upon a possibility they simply missed. Good user testing but testing that should have happened before the code was put in production. However, I can also see where they may not see it that way.  In any case, I hope this gets straightened out to everyone's honorable satisfaction.
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Not totally correct jmalec, the payments stopped for me at 30h jan at 06.46. From that deposit I didnt get paid. I deposited a lot later at 19.28. I also didNOT receive the bonus in between. Nothing to say when bank 15 was reached but that I dont have to repeat again. Fact is that IF Makebtc has a problem with our accounts they should tell us that they investigate and correct.
20  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: MakeBTC.org Pyramid Scheme - VERIFIED SCAM on: February 02, 2014, 09:01:53 PM
I think that jmalec may very well me a player like us, but who knows

opnoskatt, I think that maybe makeBTC thought your cashing out were suspicious and froze them before he was sure everything was correct.

I didn't check the logs carefully but I am guessing the missing cash outs are a few days old at most so it is still possible that makeBTC will make you whole, let's hope you changing the title of this thread didn't annoy him too much  Tongue

We are going to see a lot of signing up & deposits starting Friday when makeBTC will start being advertised here so it should at least be entertaining&fun to watch, I deposited 0.2 and cashed out 0.02 so far so I have a long way to go  Smiley

I wish that was the case, but I actually had a long e-mail chain with support (makebtc@yandex.ru) which resulted in me being accused of cheating, even after I showed them logs that proved otherwise and that the issue was on their side.  They promptly edited my account to show a lower deposit level.  You can actually verify this yourself, if you search for my name and add up deposits you'll see that it is 2.25BTC + bonus, but then if you click on my name their system shows me with 1.51BTC.

I'm assuming they'll realize soon that I've been one of the top advertisers for their site (I feel bad about that now) and that it's worth it to them, if they are legitimate, to pay what's due to those who have been cheated.  If things were made right again I would continue to spread positive truths about their operation and they would continue to prosper... otherwise, they are likely never going to make another level again.

Totally agree Opnoskatt. If they repair I also be the first tp let you all know. And also agree that I would be positive again but the silence from Makebtc is not good for everyone. And how things go right now they never make bank 16....
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