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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Secretsofzurich - SOZ Fund - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: March 13, 2019, 08:28:58 AM
on MY website? I am not from their team, I am a supporter of both projects...
When i saw such reaction on my supporting post, I asked SOZ team for a comment of this "plagiarizm case" which is hard to call so (on my opinion) if the material is made by the same team, no?
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In this case " their website".
How do we know that their whitepaper was made by the same team?  we dont have a crystal ball. And again: THERE IS NOTHING about Bitcoinus on their website and whitepaper.

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(when i joined bounty and checked their telegram, i saw their client support admin is working on Bitcoinus team, so a connection was obvious for me)
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I just made supporting post as my way to start discussion about new project i support (this platform is for free crypto discussions, right?) and do not represent here any team/members, only myself, so if you need any additional information you should ask their team, i know only what i see and what i get on my questions  Smiley

As you stated - you are a supporter and joined their bounty - supporters and bounty participants want to see the project grow, but sometimes they develop some type of tunnel vision.
Did they offer you tokens/coins to open that ANN for them? How much?  Where is their official thread in this forum? They don't have one? Why not?

Yes this forum is for crypto discussions, and you opened a thread for them to discuss their crypto. We posted our comments in there with our findings, which you come here and post your comment (below) acting as team member.

So yeah, their whitepaper is definitely fail, but before telling about scam don't you think you should check much longer than 1 minute on website?  Grin

It appears that you didn't spend 30 seconds on their website. Where is the team there? links to a team profile? Links to their other project Bitcoinus?

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But as project just started, as we can see - so they must learn the mistakes and do their best...

Sometimes the best way to cure a disease is at earlier stage.







As I already told, i am not from their team so cannot tell you why they do something in one or another way, i don't read their minds, i just participate in discussion  Smiley 

1) I do not see the problem in not having team members on a website - millions of companies do not have them and it doesn't make 100% proof that it is scam because of it.

2) Plagiarism in whitepaper - if to forget that it is crypto company, it works so: the copyright owner could complain on plagiarism of their documents by some company, but definitely no one owner will complain on himself if he uses his own (it doesn't make it more qualified, but as you could get i do not tell that it was their right decision).

I understood your point of view about bad whitepaper and that their team who should add more information about themselves. But they haven't done it, i don't know why as i don't read their munds, sorry, and I, personally, don't see the problem in this (team) point - all the team members could be easily found in telegram chat, in the same way it is done in plenty of platforms: they do not have the information about their team on a website, but you can find it when contact them via given email/socials. And this is how i found the information of who they are and why i joined bounty and made post here (what is not for bounty, just personal support, because i have account here so why i cannot write my personal opinion/suggestion of new company i jumped in? - any opinion can be wrong so as also can be mine, but as i do not see any scam in the team which is trusted for me - i support them and tell about it)
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Secretsofzurich - SOZ Fund - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: March 12, 2019, 03:20:06 PM
Question to a person creating topic: you checked their whitepaper, but haven't checked the socials to see that they have the some members working in both platforms? Great work, dude  Grin

As Secrets of Zurich told in their telegram "Secrets of Zurich is the side development project of Bitcoinus team with another development orientation on individuals" - what is also obvious if to check LinkedIn and see that one of Bitcoinus developers officially wrote that he is working in Secrets of Zurich project.

So yeah, their whitepaper is definitely fail, but before telling about scam don't you think you should check much longer than 1 minute on website?  Grin


Are you saying that plagiarizing they whitepaper is not enough evidence to be convinced that the team are not legit, what else will be on the social as you said that can serve as an alternative to a plagiarized whitepaper. To me the project is not legit and members of the community need to be warned about that.


I am saying that it is not plagiarism because, if i am not mistaken, to copy yourself is not plagiarism. I pretty believe Bitcoinus team, that's why i don't see why i shouldn't trust the project made by their developers.

COPY and PASTE yourself is ok. BUT you are copying another project - different name - doesnt matter if the team is the same (which you didnt provided evidence).
is Bitcoinus an ICO Factory where they can copy and paste and reproduce hundreds of ICO per day? NO they are not and such a thing are not acceptable.
Each project is individual and should have their own whitepaper and free of plagiarism. Also, there is no disclaimer on whitepaper or website about their association.

About ICO factory - i believe, no - in another way i am as their supporter would be VERY dissapointed.
What about "Each project is individual and should have their own whitepaper and free of plagiarism" i agree, but still think that if company have the same team they can quote themselves, despite for marketing they should find some better way. But as project just started, as we can see - so they must learn the mistakes and do their best to prove that bounty hunters and other supporters do not waste time for nothing.

3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Secretsofzurich - SOZ Fund - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: March 12, 2019, 03:06:49 PM
Question to a person creating topic: you checked their whitepaper, but haven't checked the socials to see that they have the some members working in both platforms? Great work, dude  Grin

As Secrets of Zurich told in their telegram "Secrets of Zurich is the side development project of Bitcoinus team with another development orientation on individuals" - what is also obvious if to check LinkedIn and see that one of Bitcoinus developers officially wrote that he is working in Secrets of Zurich project.

So yeah, their whitepaper is definitely fail, but before telling about scam don't you think you should check much longer than 1 minute on website?  Grin


First - Where is the team on https://www.soz.fund ?  There is NO team listed on your website.
How long do you think it took us checking your whitepaper? We can guarantee you that was more than 1 minute.

Maybe you should spend at least 30 seconds looking for a link to the "team members"   Shocked



If you want transparency, show it/make it, don't expect investors to go to social media asking questions about a team that doesn't exist on the website. ANd there is nothing about Bitcoinus  on SOZ.fund website either. You only have a plagiarized whitepaper there,  and that is more than enough to make investors walk away.  Now you will live with the consequences.

on MY website? I am not from their team, I am a supporter of both projects. Not everybody who supports and making some posts about a company is from the team.

When i saw such reaction on my supporting post, I asked SOZ team for a comment of this "plagiarizm case" which is hard to call so (on my opinion) if the material is made by the same team, no? (when i joined bounty and checked their telegram, i saw their client support admin is working on Bitcoinus team, so a connection was obvious for me) - and i haven't found anything criminal in having additional development project while a lot of crypto companies doing the same. I only think they should have both projects in one system: cryptopayments processing and individual wallet/card, but probably they had some reasons why they devided projects from each other.
 Anyway, it is my personal opinion and personal choice to support them, you can disagree with it, I just made supporting post as my way to start discussion about new project i support (this platform is for free crypto discussions, right?) and do not represent here any team/members, only myself, so if you need any additional information you should ask their team, i know only what i see and what i get on my questions  Smiley
4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Secretsofzurich - SOZ Fund - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: March 12, 2019, 02:06:38 PM
Question to a person creating topic: you checked their whitepaper, but haven't checked the socials to see that they have the some members working in both platforms? Great work, dude  Grin

As Secrets of Zurich told in their telegram "Secrets of Zurich is the side development project of Bitcoinus team with another development orientation on individuals" - what is also obvious if to check LinkedIn and see that one of Bitcoinus developers officially wrote that he is working in Secrets of Zurich project.

So yeah, their whitepaper is definitely fail, but before telling about scam don't you think you should check much longer than 1 minute on website?  Grin


Are you saying that plagiarizing they whitepaper is not enough evidence to be convinced that the team are not legit, what else will be on the social as you said that can serve as an alternative to a plagiarized whitepaper. To me the project is not legit and members of the community need to be warned about that.


I am saying that it is not plagiarism because, if i am not mistaken, to copy yourself is not plagiarism. I pretty believe Bitcoinus team, that's why i don't see why i shouldn't trust the project made by their developers.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: New crypto payments solution on the market? on: March 12, 2019, 08:40:37 AM

You should check information before writing  Grin

You spend time to find the problems with whitepaper (what they must do better, not just copy from one project to another), but you haven't check their socials to see the same team working on both projects? seriously?
6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Secretsofzurich - SOZ Fund - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: March 12, 2019, 08:35:19 AM
Question to a person creating topic: you checked their whitepaper, but haven't checked the socials to see that they have the some members working in both platforms? Great work, dude  Grin

As Secrets of Zurich told in their telegram "Secrets of Zurich is the side development project of Bitcoinus team with another development orientation on individuals" - what is also obvious if to check LinkedIn and see that one of Bitcoinus developers officially wrote that he is working in Secrets of Zurich project.

So yeah, their whitepaper is definitely fail, but before telling about scam don't you think you should check much longer than 1 minute on website?  Grin

7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / New crypto payments solution on the market? on: March 07, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
Who they are?

Secrets of Zurich (SOZ) is the culmination of a few years of work from SOZ team, focused on a simple goal: making the easiest and the most comfortable way for all the crypto holders to manage and control their funds, whether they experienced crypto holders or the newbies.

Therefore we welcome the crypto community to join us, everyone who is searching for the best solution which meets all the requirements: easy control of favourite crypto, instant conversions, avoiding crypto market fluctuations, the comfortable system for daily usage.

From another side, we are also welcoming all the people who want to join the crypto world, but to have the possibility to control crypto together with traditional money which you get used to. If you are searching for an ability to choose the crypto payments as an option to make payment, but do not get confused with additional apps/pages — Secrets of Zurich is definitely your choice as it gives you the full control of all the currencies in one place and payments in just one click.

Personal multi-currency wallet, instant payments with the smallest transaction fee, internal exchange for crypto and FIAT conversions, high user protection system — get in touch with us and explore these and other advantages from SOZ team!

Why I suggest you to check this project?

For sure, there is a lot of crypto wallets /apps, but why to choose this one?
I am pretty sure that if the company has just started its way and already has a good base with nice vision, it can become the real BOMB on the market. As with usual banks - you choose the better option for you, so the same with crypto wallets - if one answers all your needs, why not support it?
On my personal vision, the company has a great future, I strongly support the project and can't wait to see more development news.

For more information check their blog: https://medium.com/@secretsofzurich

Also, this team has nice social advertisement, check them on twitter and facebook.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: seling or holding your altcoin ? on: November 22, 2018, 11:35:21 AM
When crypto falls - there is no sense to sell your alt coins cheap, where is your profit so? HODL, if you see no future for some coin you for sure better sell it, but if you see the good perspective - use your patience. It is a long time investment, money will not come in 1 second.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Crypto market in depression on: November 22, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
No one dares to say anything when the market is down today, so they always hold and wait for the market gloomy investors abandoned and no one dared invest at this time.
yes, crypto is depressed in a bad condition, but Crpto will soon rise again. Now is a good time to buy a lot of profitable long-term coins, and in my opinion it's a good time to invest because if you invest your coins now in the future, it will benefit you because it will rise high. now the price is very low and you only need a small amount of capital, then you wait patiently and always believe that the market will grow and develop so well that you will get big profits.

Nice words  Smiley Most of crypto world make some tragedy from each fall instead of thinking about strategy and use fall time to buy. Price gonna up and down - crypto is still new kind of currency and this is normal Cool
10  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Falling Down? Is it The end ? on: November 21, 2018, 01:55:27 PM
For "drama kings" it is always the end of the world when crypto falls. Even traditional currencies have falls from time to time, so why most holders wait some magic stability from new low-controlled coins ( which even in its minimums cost more than traditional ones)  Huh Smiley
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: So, Crypto Market ALL RED Again!! on: November 19, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Sad to see again this negative progression, wish to see the crypto market stabilization, but seems like whales have their own plan for the nearest future:(
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Invest in ICO this time, yes or no? on: November 19, 2018, 10:58:42 AM
Some platforms for sure worth to invest in ICO time, you help their team to develop their product, also buy cheap some coins with good potential. But most of ICOs show their nature only when their coin get listed - and you see if there some platform proving its product or if it is one more cheap coin which is 50/50% to get profit from it.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are the criteria to consider when investing in a coin/token? on: November 19, 2018, 10:43:34 AM
The good point is if an ICO has the product behind token, if yes, especially if it can be useful for you - this investment gets more sense, i think.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoinus coin pump when? on: November 19, 2018, 09:27:18 AM
When you search for it , very rare information about this coin. Its will be very hard to predict than. Maybe you should search very deeply but nobody cant know when will gonna pump i think.

I just google and see a lot of results, so have no idea how is possible not to find anything  Smiley
If not website, just check them in any social - they make nice updates from their product development, as, for example, the last news about smart payments (what is really great point useful for everybody, i think).
And yeah, just simple: i already tested their crypto system on ParcelABC and it works, and NO annoying millions of pages, you just pay and forget, awesome Cool
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Past ICOs - do research - I will give you merit on: November 19, 2018, 09:13:22 AM
Nice too see that there are people who have brains and HODL coins before price rise  instead of selling in first minute and crying everywhere how bad ICO is   Smiley

P.S. i see some of the coins which I also have in my wallets, like Bitcoinus, Marginless, Verasity and NucleusVision - i see some potential in them and ready to wait years for its rise  Grin
16  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Smart payments from Bitcoinus - welcome to the future! on: November 12, 2018, 09:48:48 AM
Oh ok  Grin Grin Grin
17  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Smart payments from Bitcoinus - welcome to the future! on: November 12, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
 Grin Grin Grin you are from their team?

I am holding their tokens, so i am really dying to see news Grin i am ready to hold years, but want to see real development
18  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Smart payments from Bitcoinus - welcome to the future! on: November 12, 2018, 09:23:10 AM
This is great news  Cool Cool Cool but what about new integrations??? when it will be Huh
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Late to Invest in Cryptocurrencies? on: October 05, 2018, 10:47:56 AM
This is always the question of investing in a good time, when the cost is small and you will for sure get profit in the future. Bitcoin, Ethereum seems like currencies in which it is for sure you need to invest. But do not forget about much cheaper new coins, which have good potential, as some time ago it was some OMG, for example.
IOTA already proved me my good decision of purchase, wait the same from other newbes as TDS, BITS, hope, they will not disappoint me Smiley
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What blockchain events do you visit? on: October 05, 2018, 07:08:55 AM
A lot of Blockchain events, but the most interesting following the speakers' speaches  was d10e Conference in Lithuania. Lots of nice platforms where there, like Bitcoinus, for example or some Welltrado, winning the ICO competition. Friendly and open-for conversation teams Smiley
Be honest,I wasn't sure on my investment (as Lithuania is quite new country for me) before that conference, but after - i bought more tokens even Cool
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