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Ik ben verified op bitcoin.de. Heb volgensmij gewoon dezelfde docs als bij bitstamp opgestuurd. ID kopie en bankrekening kopie.
Hebben ze het verificatie proces bij bitcoin.de wellicht veranderd ?
Blijkbaar dus ! Je moet ook eerst 3BTC verhandeld hebben eer je jezelf kan verifiëren |
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Hoi
Is er iemand geverifieerd bij de Duitse exchange site Bitcoin.de ?
Voor de verificatie moet je dus in bijzijn van een bepaalde "derde partij" documenten
invullen en opsturen per post.
Deze controleren dan je identiteit en documenten, een extra maatregel fraude tegen te gaan.
Jammer dat ze deze "derde partij" alleen in het Engels beschrijven...
Je mogelijkheden zijn dus langs te gaan bij :
attorneys of law ( bedoelen ze hier advocaten mee dan ? )
notaries ( lijkt mij dure grap )
tax consultans ( wat is dit in België ? )
financial auditors ( geen idee ?? )
credit institutions ( kan dit dan gewoon je bank zijn ?)
De eerste 2 lijken mij een dure grap te zijn, en enkel van "credit institution" vermoed ik dat
je hiervoor bij je bank langs kan gaan ?
Er zijn genoeg geverifieerde Belgen ( en ook Nederlanders geloof ik ) die BTC verhandelen op Bitcoin.de,
dus het is zeker mogelijk.. !
Heeft iemand op bitcointalk hier ervaring mee, of gewoon enig idee ?
Greets !
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I actually don't see the government thing as an "ultimate" hurdle.
The only way to kill Bitcoin is if all governments ban Bitcoin, and I really don't see that happening.
Heck even in the U.S. things can be jumbled up.
If one state decided to adopt Bitcoin, the U.S. government wouldn't be able to prevent that state from using BTC (violation of the 10th Amendment). Sure the financial and regulatory issues would be convoluted, but from an overarching perspective the state could still allow people to transact in it, as long the state transacts with the federal government in USD.
good point.. It will never die completely however for bitcoin to mean something in the future, I think everything stands on what the US does... If the US takes a positive stand on BTC western euro countries, I think are likely to follow in Belgium and the Netherlands, Finland and Norway, there are some positive voices already ( along with negative warnings ) but no decisions are being made... and few politicians understand BTC once USA and western euro countries embraced BTC, ( not regulating it to death ) BTC will take off |
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holy shit, these comment ! How the hell governments lose income and power to bitcoin.
Do they lose income and power to gold?
If people pay their taxes like they do when they make purchases with cash then
what's the problem for governments.
google it, dollars are backed by a big reserve of federal gold for in case of a crash the economy can be controlled to a large extent, because fiat is not decentralized even do the banks caused the recession, they also allow a lot of control, that the gov. can't afford to loose it's pretty clear that a lot of the people that are shouting that bitcoin wont get regulated to death just don't know anything |
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the difference is that bitcoin undermines the gov when it becomes to stable and widespread
they will get interested some day !
right now big brother isn't interested and likely they wouldn't even know what to do with it if they were
witch is not a comferting thought
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Yes they could legalize it, but ,in that case, very likely Bitcon will be taxed and regulated to death anyway.
bitcoin is not the property of any government. governments can only tax their own property. that being FIAT and fossil fuels they purchase. The gov can easily tax the use of bitcoin (transaction, the buying / selling of BTC ..). It can easily be regulated in a way that you can only legally own a known BTC account, that account could easily be taxed your income, isn't really the gov.s property either, yet where I live it's heavily taxed, along with your savings, any money you inherent, bank transactions, ... there's even been discussion on taxing profits you've made from the stock markerts
you seem to be under the delusion that bitcoin needs to take over and replace FIAT. bitcoin can work along side different countries FIAT. even if in the future there was just a 2% population uptake of bitcoin. this alone would be far far far higher then the numbers today and the usefulness would be soooooo much greater. it does not require 100% uptake to be mainstream.
If BTC should ever be as stable or more stable even than the $ and €, is't more a question of "do current fiats still have reason to exist alongside BTC" but, you know what my view is, governments will provide regulations that restrict the use of BTC, so that the fiat that's under their control, can't disappear yet again I think it's fair to say no real answer has been given on this issue |
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Regulated to death? I'm getting tired of this. http://bitlegal.net/That regulation to death, it burns. I hope you do realize that 95% of the green country's on that chart are just ignoring bitcoin right now |
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I'm on the zeroblock iphone app, and whenever i see a thread title like this, i always know it is someone brand new here. No offense
Cheers alround, You've won the prize, am new on btctalk.org  However I've been trading on bitcoin.de for a few months now The net is full of believers that are exited and enthusiastic about BTC ( and thank god for that ) . Many will tell you that gov wont kill BTC However none can give a solid argument why gov. won't kill BTCWhen the US has quite a few exchanges that are partnered up with major banks, (and more of them in WEST-Europe in stead of Eastern-Euro ) my skepticism will go down significantly ! |
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@ pungopete468
yeah am really hoping that NY exchange will happen
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Hi guys,
First of all, I love Bitcoin and I want nothing more than BTC to succeed.
But I think BTC ( or any cryptocurrency ) will overcome all it' hurdles, but one :
governments.
Because let's face it, governments can lose their income and lots of power
to bitcoin, and they can easily just say "no" to BTC.
Yes they could legalize it, but ,in that case, very likely Bitcon will be taxed and regulated to death anyway.
The current financial world will also lose a lot of business to BTC, and they won't sit back and do nothing.
Keep in mind they have loads of political power.
The only scenario where I ever see BTC to succeed, would be if gov's go on to ignore BTC for years and years...
In the mean time BTC would need to become so mainstream, that banning it would mean economic shutdown
for a country. But I don't see govs waiting that long..
Every other issue like, volatility, ease of use, hot wallet vulnerability,... I is gonna get solved as time goes on
but that's not enough...
what does Bitcointalk think ?
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hoi, leuke site, die kende ik nog niet ik houd er vooral van dat die lekker neutraal lijkt te zijn ! zo wist ik wel dat vele altcoins stinken, maar besefte ik dit niet van MinCoin door dat "geplug" van cryptocoinsnews !!! was een heel interessant artikel bit24.nl staat nu bovenaan in mijn favorieten neutraal bitcoin nieuws en dan nog es in het nederlands zalig ! |
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Hi guys, I came across this image of a very clean bitcoin chart does anyone have an idea where it somes from ? it looks a bit like a tradingview.com chart.. but that's not it..  cheers |
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I must have misred some things then
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No one has to wait 10mins for a coffee when they pay with btc.
lot's of businesses stopped using bitcoin because of the wait at the counter they say it's not practical, many of them stopped using bitcoin after a week allready it IS a problem solutions are possible.. but it will take time... in the meantime, apple will have filled the gap with their new upcomming system AND they will try to block anything bitcoin on iPhones very concerning |
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Hi,
In order for bitcoin to ever truly be able by a coffee, sandwich, magazine, groceries,...
transaction speeds of bitcoin payments at the counter must be instant.
This needs to happen or bitcoin will never be wildly used and accepted.
Transactions are instant, settlement is ~10min go educate yourself before educating others.. sorry my post wasn't finished, accidentally posted to soon for bitcoin to be working in the real world ( at the counter, where there are lines) 10 minutes is way to long and likely apple will be coming up with a way to pay with you iPhone instantly before there will be a solution for bitcoin... this is concerning Even more concerning, apple would try its best for a bitcoin solution not to work on any of their devices... ( gotta love apple's will to innovate and make the world a better place ;-) |
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Hi, In order for bitcoin to ever (truly) be able buy a coffee, sandwich, magazine, groceries,... transaction speeds of bitcoin payments at the counter must be instant. This needs to happen or bitcoin will never be wildly used and accepted. Apple will likely be coming up with "apple dollars" sometime soon, so people can pay for their Starbucks coffee, and offcousre it will be arranged in such a way that you can leave with your coffee (or whatever) instantly... So in order for bitcoin to truly survive, faster transactions a needed... or a workaround method like a escrow is needed. ( http://falkvinge.net/2011/06/06/bitcoins-four-hurdles-part-two-transactions/) However such an escrow for bitcion would also need to work on an iPhone.. so it can be widely adapted Witch is tricky as apple would never allow such an "escrow app" in its store. So would this still be possible to work on an iPhone, via html5 or something ( so apple an't block it ) ? If not, I fear "apple dollares" or something else might overpower bitcoins at one point in the future... ( yes I am sure you can buy groceries / coffee with bitcoins at lots of places right now, but companies do this mostly for publicity, for it to ever be usable in the real world by everybody there need to be some changes!! ) |
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